Judges 2007

[rose]

Ann Arabalhall fab fab fab judge not facey and really freindly and great with the little ones really loves an A and a C to look as they should and knows her welsh ponies.

[east anglian Native]

Olympia Judge Mrs J Maclnnes


Anyone know anything about her?

[Answer]

Top conformation and way of going judge for all types of horse & pony. Will be a pleasure for you all to be judged by someone so respected. 1000000% fair.

[hooves]

Any one know about Mrs G Sells, judging the Olympia at NPS area 20?

[disagree]

I disagree totally about A Abrahall.
watched her judging on a number of occasions and found her facey and inconsistant

[wasnt there]

didnt Anne Abrahall judge at the winter BSPS champs - what was her judging like there??

[Concerned]

After reading the posts relating to the Staffs HOYs qualifiers & in particular the judges i wonder why so many of us bother to enter.

Before anybody jumps on me i know both of these judges personally & would not question their integrity or honesty however i would question their knowledge of native breeds across the board.

Mrs Abrahall is very knowledgeable with the welsh breed having bred & shown some top quality ponies, I believe she is also a Puk M&M judge. As a competitor & judge she will have experienced far more than her fellow judge & seen many trends & ponies of varying breeds come & go. BUT............. what does she know about Shetlands or New Forests, has she been to their study days?

As for Mrs Allison she is a BSPS judge through & through & whilst she may be a very knowledgeable horse woman her experience of native ponies is those that go to BSPS.

So without d**ning these two individuals who i am sure will do a their best on the day, why do we pay so much money to enter our ponies under judges who have limited native breed experience? Whilst i have singled out Staffs judges with limited knowledge is a regular occurrence, perhaps it's time that HOYs took a look at the criteria set for picking judges for these prestigious & expensive qualifiers.

[concerned about concerned]

Do you think that judges get on various panels without being tested for their knowledge of all breeds. To become a BSPS judge you attend a seminar and on the assessment are tested very very throughly on the breeds, not just the breed they may be interested in.

I can see at the end of the day there will be no judges as they are constantly being ribbed, even before the have supposedly done something wrong.

I suggest you do write to HOYS it would be more beneficial than coming on a site and using indirect aggression. Which is what you post implies.

One minute everyone is calling for fresh blood the next they are shootng them down.

OH TO BE JUDGE - NO THANKS.

[concerned]

concerned said:

Do you think that judges get on various panels without being tested for their knowledge of all breeds. To become a BSPS judge you attend a seminar and on the assessment are tested very very throughly on the breeds, not just the breed they may be interested in.

I can see at the end of the day there will be no judges as they are constantly being ribbed, even before the have supposedly done something wrong.

I suggest you do write to HOYS it would be more beneficial than coming on a site and using indirect aggression. Which is what you post implies.

One minute everyone is calling for fresh blood the next they are shootng them down.

OH TO BE JUDGE - NO THANKS.

I apologise if you thought my post aggressive, however i still maintain my point & for the record i chose to post anonymously as i am a judge.

As the current ruling stands for a show in need of a HOY's judge they can be on a breed panel, BSPS, Puk or NPS. Would you want to be judged by a breed panel judge from a breed that doesn't happen to be from the one or two breeds you show?

As for the point about being thoroughly tested before you are accepted onto a BSPS panel, i would like to point out that this can not only be bypassed but that there is not one of every breed at the assessment & for sure talking about it & looking at the real thing are very different. Incidentally there is no stipulation for refresher assessment.

If it makes things clearer than take away the names in my earlier post, as i said i do not doubt either judge, & both are judging a HOY's qualifier within the rules. I did not mean to personally "Rib" them & had hoped that i had made that clear, obviously not!

[johnwayne]

Concerned, if you posted as a member, then I would give you a Karma for that post!

[Agree]

I agree with concerned, what does a welsh judge know about exmoors and shetlands. Most of them won't even look at an exmoor or a hairy they just put up welsh look alikes.

[Rude]

I think some of your comments are very rude, yes SOME judges may have limited knowledge on other breeds, simply because their interests lie with a specific breed.

However this does not go for ALL breed panel judges.

Also Re the comments about A.Abrahall I watched her judge at the BSPS Champs and I think she did a brilliant job, she was not facey and I would most def travel some distance to go under her!

[I know]

I know that Anne Abrahall was the first judge to put Heltondale Misty to win as a complete unknown novice. AND THIS WAS AT A WELSH SHOW!!!..Obviously she knows her Welsh ponies, she has judged the Royal Welsh, but she has also been to Olympia and HOYS several times competing against the very best of all of the native breeds. As stated before, BSPS Heritage judges have to attend very thorough training and assessment to be accepted onto the panel.

[Any one know]

Somebody asked who G.Sells is doing the Olympia qualifier at Nps and no body answered. I am also quite interested as I am going so does any body know?

[Judges]

Gillian Sells breeds Section Bs and shows them in-hand. I don't know what she is like as a ridden judge though.

[guestsss]

Not sure if this is correct but i was told G.Sabin is G.Sells daughter correct me if i am wrong
I would never slate any judge as they all have a job to do and do it to the best of ability
but i wouldnt travel to go under G.Sells with a hairy thats got plenty of bone esp if shes judging the confirmation

[Correction]

Actually G. Sabin is the daughter of S. Rampling

[thanks]

Thanks very much for your replies about G Sells!!!

[judges]

Have people found R.Sutcliffe to be fair and what ponies does he like

[Surrey Bend]

guestsss said:

Not sure if this is correct but i was told G.Sabin is G.Sells daughter correct me if i am wrong
I would never slate any judge as they all have a job to do and do it to the best of ability
but i wouldnt travel to go under G.Sells with a hairy thats got plenty of bone esp if shes judging the confirmation

Wrong. Georgie Sabin is Sheila Rampling's daughter

Gill Sells Welsh B pony in the NPS review has bone. Loved Priestwood Mirth.

[clobonotloggedin]

I have always found that gill sells likes a good true to type m&m which still maintains quality. She is a lovely lady and never seems to judge faces, i dopubt very much anything wld be set in stone with her and she wld judge on the day. Definately worth the entry in my mind

Also in regards to some of the above posts, just because a judge is on the NPS panel does this mean they are a better judge than a bsps one?

[daffodil]

Many years ago I saw Ms Fluck at many shows, she was showing either SHP or SP in hand, was very successful I believe, so very surprised she is now judging M+M's

[coincidence]

She is VERY good friends with Mistys rider and lives not far away....

She will do her friends and 'faces' and anyone who has a pony with her breeding favours
Never been under her for that reason but have watched her judge a number of times...

Gill Sells likes a typey M&M with bone, substance and movement and quality. Always been VERY fair and consistent and wont follow who is doing well during the season but judge on the day. Well worth the entry...Not been under her for many years but have also watched her judge

[rose]

What does Debbie Spears like judging at Swansea?

[morts]

rose said:

What does Debbie Spears like judging at Swansea?

She will judge the ponies on the day, no preconceived placings for her.
I watched her judge at a show recently and she placed a relativly unknown sec D above another pony that had two days before qualified for HOYS. Owner of the said pony was not best pleased, but the sec D was stunning and went beautifully.

[Which Show]

Which show was this?

I have seen Debboe Spears judge, yes she seems fair, the type of judge that likes what she likes, not necessarily what has won before, if that makes sense!

[Enthusiast]

Debbie Spears is one of the fairest judges i know, really knows her stuff, i would travel to be judged by her.

[One Man]

Post removed by Admin

The subject is closed as far as I am concerned.
Please dont continue with it as I dont want to have to start putting bans in place.

[i know]

from what i have seen russel sutcliffe is a good judge, very fair & judges what he sees on the day not who is on it

[thanks]

Thanks for the comments about R Sutcliffe