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Post by iluvponies on Nov 1, 2009 12:24:10 GMT
..and was this call from RL or the other show that also owes you? It was from the other show. I haven't had any contact from RL at all. Emmajane, how can non payment of fees be an oversight?? Also, I dont feel it is down to anyone else to sort it out for them, no matter what your good intentions are. Why are you having to reply for them? It is easy to say noone has phoned, emailed etc (as for email account not working, all emails have shown as being read) I have given them more than enough time to forward what is owed- not just to me. I didnt take the decision to name on here lightly. This WAS the last resort. Here here LSC.... we are in exactly the same position as you ... emmajane has answered mine and your postings on behalf of RL on another thread running try looking at 'Royal London Qualification Card'... it is an absolute joke. Organ Grinder and Monkey spring to mind..........it really is not good enough. It really angers me and I hope when others read these postings barge pole and don't touch spring to mind...... IMO once you and an organistaion / society you stand for and represent starts being associated with bad dodgy management of finances then it is a steep slippery slope!!
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Post by question on Nov 1, 2009 12:32:47 GMT
Is this is the same people running the Christmas London Show.If so maybe you will get your expenses from that profit !!!! However, what will those judges do for their money ?
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 1, 2009 12:40:08 GMT
LSC did you ask for your expenses on the day
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Post by iluvponies on Nov 1, 2009 12:40:34 GMT
Yes the Royal London are running a Christmas Show....it is a bit abysmal to think that they are putting a show on to try and pay their debts and monies owing from the previous one...how sad...i note how one can enter for this show on the web, sign up to abide by the conditions of entry of which there are non uploaded on their website!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! part with their money.........ooh and low and behold probably find it is cancelled last minute and all of a sudden there will be no refunds as there is no refund policy!!!! Competitors will all be out of pocket and i wonder where all the money will go!!!
Outraged by the whole saga!!!!!!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 1, 2009 12:45:20 GMT
Question - Well i am one of those judges and if i require expenses i will do what i have been told and request them on the day !
Organ Grinder and Monkey is Insulting, i think you need to reel your neck in and realise how much work goes into a show and how much people have to do let alone run their own lives, Matters do not instantly be resolved and i dont think 2 and a half months for a refund is along time i am waiting for one from a July Show !
Wiith re expenses, if you didnt ask for them on the day then yes it must be an oversight as noone else seems to have had a problem, you say you hadnt called royal london ? well dont rely on the wonders of modern technology pick up the telephone and ask or pm me your name and i will pass it on.
I was ringing pat re a change in my rosette order and happened to mention this all to her, so i am no monkey just will not stand for a show getting slated when not all is as it seems and 2 sides to every story,
Fact is at my show if you dont fill in an expenses form you dont get paid, at Royal London you request it on the day, that is how they do it.
If you havent had it then just ring up, its not a problem !
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 1, 2009 12:48:56 GMT
ILOVE PONIES get your facts right before you discuss any financial information regarding an organsation that you obviously dont know anything about !!!
Thats almost slanderous !
I am not connected in any way with RL except the fact i have judged there and they are my freinds !
But very bad of you to spout about nothing you know about and a bad mouthing a forthcoming event !!!!
Edited for spelling !
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Post by LSC on Nov 1, 2009 18:50:09 GMT
LSC did you ask for your expenses on the day YES. But I say again, what is it for you to answer for another show? Have you taken on the job of this shows PA??? Some of us have been on affiliated panels a very long time. We are not wet behind the ears. In all my years of judging I have never had to keep asking for my fees. To be perfectly honest I shouldn't have to. Just this week, I have found out that some of the judges at the 2008 show didnt get paid. I sincerely hope that this thread doesn't get locked. As I said before I thought long and hard about posting this thread. It truely does sadden me that I had to resort to it, but it is a matter of principal now. You would not take your car to a garage and expect them to wait for you to pay them.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 1, 2009 20:52:13 GMT
I have posted due to speaking to Show involved on a different matter and mentioning this to them. I feel you have been fine and justified in making your posts but what does matter is the people that have jumped in and not been so polite. i manged to contact them no problem, and i do know of recent email address changes and technical difficulties, feel you well within your right to complain, and have done it in a polite manner, have no gripes about that, but rather than starting a seperate post a personhas jumped in about this show on 2 different threads rather than starting their own, with their own gripe !! So not acting as a PA but as a freind of the show involved and a messenger !
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Post by nffan on Nov 1, 2009 23:27:06 GMT
I too judged at RL this year. As I was preparing to go on the Sunday evening, I went to Pat and said what do I do about expenses and she pointed me in the direction of treasur who gave me a cheque there and then.
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Post by Helen E on Nov 2, 2009 20:04:53 GMT
EmmaJane, as noble as your intentions are, you are not actually helping matters by constantly trying to defend a very obvious lack of communication on the part of the RL organisers, which is actually nothing to do with you.
Don't get me wrong, I like Pat and Peter a great deal, however if you are going to take on something the scale of RL show, then you need to get the basics right, and the basic are COMMUNICATING with people. Without this, you end up with a situation where people are forced to post on forums such as these. From reading the posts of the 'aggrieved' on here, to say that computer problems and a busy life are the reasons there have been no response is pretty ridiculous. We ALL have busy lives, we all have computers go wibble at some point, but when those folk who are out of pocket have sent more than one recorded delivery letter which has been signed for, these previous excuses are null and void.
EmmaJane, if you are in such close contact with the RL organisers, then perhaps you could prompt them to come on here and answer those people who NEED answers. They don't even have to post openly, the PM system is there to be used.
Nothing frustrates people more than being ignored. RL already have a fragile reputation, and really need to sort out these problems quickly to avoid more problems. Personally, I hope they do manage to sort this out quickly and get back some of the goodwill and support that they have had previously. I enjoy their shows, and hope that this is just a temporary set back for them.
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Post by LSC on Nov 3, 2009 9:19:17 GMT
iluvponies just wondering if yours has been resolved? I'm still waiting. Although it appears, as far as they are concerned, there are no outstanding issues!
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Post by iluvponies on Nov 3, 2009 10:09:22 GMT
iluvponies just wondering if yours has been resolved? I'm still waiting. Although it appears, as far as they are concerned, there are no outstanding issues! LSC... oh how I wish it had been.....but being that there is a lack of response and organisation to clear up the many outstanding and serious issues raised on this and other threads....I can't see it happening can you. Yesterday was the final day for our 'issue' or sorry 'complaint' (if I am expected to belive the RL's PA/Monkey/mouthpiece/friend/spokesperson/agent...sorry still can't quite see the connection)or AKA our legal & rightfully expected contractual REFUND to be paid as per our recorded signed for and received letter sent to RL. Suffice to say nothing arrived Saturday, Yesterday or today, nor at any other time since mid august in form of payment, response, apology. We start leagal proceedings today to recover our monies. I strongly advise all others who have monies owing to them to do the same and judging by the amount of email and pm's received I believe that will be a very large volume of people. Emmajane all I can say is this is a very large oversight... and one I'm sure that you wish now you never got yourself involved in, it is so blantantly clear that you are being lied to also, although i appreciate you may only be trying to help or maybe even digging yourself out of a hole....as I do recall earlier on in the thread that you did state....naming and shaming on HG usually does the trick!!! bet you didn't expect it to be the Royal London did you. ps... thanks Helen E for summing up the whole saga in such and apt and eloquent way
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 3, 2009 12:23:45 GMT
I already said i didnt expect it was the Royal London in this thread IF YOU READ !!
Not worried at all, im sure everything will be sorted out in due course, So reel your neck in iloveponies, there has been a postal strike so if posted on Friday may not get to you yet !!
As stated i dont feel it is long to wait for a refund at all !!! I havent seen anyone else on here whos problem hastnt yet been resolved, as for being involved, maybe i just dont like to see shows being slated constantly....
Where you going to go in 10 years time when you have ****** them all off ***** !!!!! Modified by request
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 3, 2009 12:32:13 GMT
Actually I have deleted my last post as i refuse to stoop so low to fling insults, and im bigger than that, in more than one way
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Post by cassie30 on Nov 3, 2009 12:55:31 GMT
Where you going to go in 10 years time when you have ****** them all off ***** !!!!! (quoted from ej's post)
Um not Royal london!!!! lol
I must say though, postal strike hasn't affected many has it? Certainly had my bills through this week! As well as everyone esle i know. Modified by request.
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Post by LSC on Nov 3, 2009 13:42:44 GMT
I started this thread as I was sick and tired of having to wait for my expenses. I have gone through all that before, so wont bother again. I really wont be very pleased if a thread , that I thought was a perfectly resonible request for money owed, gets removed or locked because it has turned into a farce. It now transpires that there are clearly other people (both competitors and judges) who are waiting for monies from RL. Emmajane I really do think it is not for you to get involved in. As for the posting you made to liuvponies, well totally uncalled for. It is NOT her that is in the wrong here. I have noticed you have posted something about someone owing you money from ebay. Well, this IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING. People are owed money by RL and are requesting it to be paid. Yes on here because ALL other channels have been exhausted. The postal strike ISNT an acceptable excuse. I cant recall there being a strike in september? ?
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Post by Tandy on Nov 3, 2009 14:15:08 GMT
I started this thread as I was sick and tired of having to wait for my expenses. I have gone through all that before, so wont bother again. I really wont be very pleased if a thread , that I thought was a perfectly resonible request for money owed, gets removed or locked because it has turned into a farce. It now transpires that there are clearly other people (both competitors and judges) who are waiting for monies from RL. Emmajane I really do think it is not for you to get involved in. As for the posting you made to liuvponies, well totally uncalled for. It is NOT her that is in the wrong here. I have noticed you have posted something about someone owing you money from ebay. Well, this IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING. People are owed money by RL and are requesting it to be paid. Yes on here because ALL other channels have been exhausted. The postal strike ISNT an acceptable excuse. I cant recall there being a strike in september? ? very well put ;D
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Post by stockingtop on Nov 3, 2009 15:57:54 GMT
Sadly, this is typical of RL, whenever there is a problem, which there often is, Pat will have a problem with her computer, or will be moving house or be on holiday or be on the next trip to the moon!! Where she won't be is trying to sort out RL problems and with Emmajane doing the talking for her she will keep her head firmly in the sand for as long as possible. Which is a shame ,as she is a lovely lady,but true. Sometimes the excuses get tiresome. If you do a job then you should get paid... end of!
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Post by perfect22 on Nov 3, 2009 17:26:26 GMT
I am in business for myself, if i have trouble getting money, its normally because there is none to get. So if Emmajane is so confident that people will get paid, why doesn't she pay you and then she can get the money from RL. God knows what it is to do with her?
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 3, 2009 18:03:44 GMT
Perfect 22 another guest Hiding, i wil s tate what it has to do with me below, i have treid to help out, as feel its unfair for shows to be bashed, when they cant get to reply.
All i can say and will say on both posts is, i have been defending the show from another shows point of view, I feel show bashing is not pleasent, though i have now text and emailed Pat to say come and respond, and thats all i can do.
As i have said i agree that you do a job you are paid, but alot further up this post you will see the way the RL have done it, you request it and go get your cheque on the day.
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on Nov 3, 2009 18:15:58 GMT
well my qualification cards arived this morning. Thank you Pat (royal London)
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Post by rockinhorse on Nov 3, 2009 18:19:25 GMT
Having read this post all I have to add (and not directed at any show imparticular) if you look after those that help put on the show i.e. Judges, Stewards etc they will be more than willing to come back and help you year after year even if its just with food & drink and being made to feel their worth
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Post by LSC on Nov 3, 2009 20:00:57 GMT
you request it and go get your cheque on the day. As I have said previously, IT WAS REQUESTED BUT I DIDNT GET PAID!
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Post by LSC on Nov 3, 2009 20:51:24 GMT
well my qualification cards arived this morning. Thank you Pat (royal London) What has this got to do with this thread? As you already posted it in the qualification thread, I cant see why its appeared on this one.
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Post by Helen E on Nov 3, 2009 20:54:37 GMT
I already said i didnt expect it was the Royal London in this thread IF YOU READ !! Not worried at all, im sure everything will be sorted out in due course, So reel your neck in iloveponies, there has been a postal strike so if posted on Friday may not get to you yet !! As stated i dont feel it is long to wait for a refund at all !!! I havent seen anyone else on here whos problem hastnt yet been resolved, as for being involved, maybe i just dont like to see shows being slated constantly.... Where you going to go in 10 years time when you have ****** them all off ***** !!!!! Modified by request I am rather saddened to see such a rude response from someone who I am guessing is slightly older than a petulant 12 year old? There is no need for such impoliteness EmmaJane. It is obvious you are a staunch defender of RL organisers, and this is admirable, but this doesn't give you the right to dismiss other peoples points of view just because they are at odds with your own, and certainly doesn't give you the right to be so aggressive in your responses. YOU may not mind waiting months for monies owed to you, but others obviously DO mind, particularly when they feel that they are being deliberately ignored despite many attempts at contacting the organisers.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Nov 24, 2009 12:48:02 GMT
JUST FOR THE RECORD.
Following numerous Emails and PM's on this Forum, I am delighted to report that my Cheque has finally arrived from the Show in question. So, as far as I am concerned, this chapter can finally be closed. It is, however, so much easier if all Show organisers supply a simple Expenses form, so that one can submit that to the Secretary on the day. After all, when appointing Judges, Show Committees/organisers must surely be aware of the geography of the UK and therefore the approximate milage involved.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 24, 2009 13:18:55 GMT
Glad thats sorted for you, i am still waiting for a refund from another show in July, despite not going on vets advice due to a potentially infectious outbreak on our yard, swabs came back on the Monday after the show on the sunday clear, I made the show aware of our lockdown from the wenesday prior.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Nov 24, 2009 13:20:17 GMT
I do a database when judges are booked with postcode to postcode milages, so i know how much estimated fule will be but also can see any major over claims too
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Post by rl on Dec 4, 2009 23:58:26 GMT
LSC,
We run a very simple system at RL - you go and see the desk secretary with your mileage, and you get paid straight away.
Occasionally, a judge does NOT require expenses. When I was a child in the 60's, my father was on the BSJA panel in Hertfordshire; he always said to us that if he was well looked after and well fed and watered then he wouldn't put in for ex's, but if the lunch was cr*p then he would. We consider that we do all our judges well on that front.
I do appreciate that in this day and age of high fuel prices, such an altruistic attitude is going to be practically non-existant. But YOU DO NEED TO ASK!!
I have no idea who you are LSC; those initials do not tally up with my judges list this year; but if you are owed money by the RL then I need to know straight away To the best of my knowledge there is NO outstanding monies due to any judges - above all I do know that judges are the lifeblood of a show, and we ALWAYS try our very best to take good care of those that we book, a fact that will be borne out by all those that ask US if they can come back next year!
By far the best way is to PICK UP THE TELEPHONE- there is an answer machine on my landline, which is published on the website and everywhere else for all the world to see, (01425) 471680. MUCH more reliable than email which can be temperamental and mobiles which don't work at all when we are at home, on the yard, or in the fields. And no, there isn't a network we can switch to which DOES work in this area - it's a mobile Black Hole.
So WHY NOT JUST TALK TO US?
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Post by brookesmom5g4s// team linney on Dec 8, 2009 12:14:09 GMT
as my friend bemused mentioned earlier on in the thread i am still waiting for payment from showlands native elite show held around 14th sep . we won roughly 150.00 not had a penny. i have tried to contact them through various obvious routes with no answer/reply. it is such a shame that it has come to this but i believe they have done this before as i have had messages via hg. was told in the beginning entries were down by 700.00 and would have to be paid from organizers salary . i was in no rush for this money but to be ignored is not acceptable and as the show was pr entered surely they would of had an indication on entries. i am not bothering anymore and will put it down to experience but surely this is wrong
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