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Post by Silvakrin on Apr 22, 2010 18:11:43 GMT
Does anyone else think that Olympia Veteran champions should be restricted to one win? Why put old ponies under so much pressure. Read H&H today and it seemed a shame for the competition that competitors can aim for three wins.
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Post by vetlover on Apr 22, 2010 18:16:56 GMT
Why? there are many veterans who are as fit and as healthy, if not more so, than some younger horses!
If they still enjoy it and are fit and healthy then what is the problem? What would you rather they do, retire to the field, get very unfit and waste away? what a shame that would be! as well as being unfair on the hundreds of healthy veterans out there who still love to go to a party!
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Post by Silvakrin on Apr 22, 2010 18:22:58 GMT
Pot Hunting?
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Post by Milliesmum on Apr 22, 2010 18:29:48 GMT
I definitely don't agree that veterans should only win once. Once they win, they are the best in the country for that year. So if they can't come back next year, then who ever wins won't have beaten the best! Where's the satisfaction in that?
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Post by hunter on Apr 22, 2010 18:31:07 GMT
would you suggest shooting them once they have won it once ? never heared such tosh !!!
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Post by minkara on Apr 22, 2010 18:38:49 GMT
i really don't think phanty would a)like to retire b) be shot so really the only other alternative is to have another go!!!!!! THIS SHOULD ONLY BE READ BY PEOPLE WITH A SENSE OF HUMOUR maybe anyone who wins anything should then stop, and allow others to have a go! I don't hear anyone telling the Webber/bardo team to stop showing their top horses , as it is pothunting, when they win champ after champ! i would like to think, on a serious note, that we would be credited with enough sense to stop the minute he wants to, however, - i can assure you he gallops up the lorry ramp every time, and is more than capable of squealing and jumping in the air in a lap of honour! in fact, he bucked Kate clean off (for the first time ever) today when she was jumping him at home !
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Post by Milliesmum on Apr 22, 2010 18:41:11 GMT
Haha love it!!! Long may he continue!!
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Post by Veteran Fan on Apr 22, 2010 18:41:31 GMT
What upsets me more is that even though there is now to be an in hand championship as well as a ridden championship at olympia the places are not split evenly
For in hand you pay the same entry fee, same membership fee but out of 20 places there are only 6 in hand places the rest are open to both ridden and in hand - and lets be honest over the past 9 years the vast majority of regionals go to riddens with in hand reserve.
Whilst this is a much appreciated move in the right direction - it still makes the in hand competitor feel like a second class citizen
Why if there are 20 places are there not 10 ridden and 10 in hand ??
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Post by kateness on Apr 22, 2010 18:45:53 GMT
Haha love it!!! Long may he continue!! I hope that wasn't referring to the bucking off, it hurt!!!!
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Post by Milliesmum on Apr 22, 2010 18:48:19 GMT
Haha love it!!! Long may he continue!! I hope that wasn't referring to the bucking off, it hurt!!!! I'll rephrase then, long may he continue to feel full of the joys of spring
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Post by minkara on Apr 22, 2010 18:51:20 GMT
unfortunately i didn't have the camera, it was a piledriver, and he just stood at the end of the arena looking puzzled!!
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Post by vetlover on Apr 22, 2010 18:51:49 GMT
Phanty is a star and i wish you all the luck in the world with him for this year if he is out? He certainly looked alot healthier than some of the lame youngsters out and about!
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Post by minkara on Apr 22, 2010 18:59:53 GMT
if anyone really loves him please vote for him on showingworldonline as pony personality of the year. he is one of the 6 finalists, and we would love him to win, he deserves it as he always gives his very best, and absolutely loves his job, ps he has his own fanclub on facebook, (murrum park phantom) not started by us, and some of his old pics are on there cheers just found direct link www.showingworldhosting.com/sshowpony.html and then please vote for him!!
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Post by Rockstar on Apr 22, 2010 19:00:41 GMT
Does anyone else think that Olympia Veteran champions should be restricted to one win? Why put old ponies under so much pressure. Read H&H today and it seemed a shame for the competition that competitors can aim for three wins. Sour grapes methinks! If a pony is fit, well and happy why shouldnt he continue to be out there strutting his stuff?
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Post by network on Apr 22, 2010 19:05:52 GMT
Does anyone else think that Olympia Veteran champions should be restricted to one win? Why put old ponies under so much pressure. Read H&H today and it seemed a shame for the competition that competitors can aim for three wins. Are you telling me that if you were lucky enough to have the winning veteran at Olympia that you wouldnt try again to defend your title
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Post by Helen E on Apr 22, 2010 19:05:58 GMT
What upsets me more is that even though there is now to be an in hand championship as well as a ridden championship at olympia the places are not split evenly For in hand you pay the same entry fee, same membership fee but out of 20 places there are only 6 in hand places the rest are open to both ridden and in hand - and lets be honest over the past 9 years the vast majority of regionals go to riddens with in hand reserve. Whilst this is a much appreciated move in the right direction - it still makes the in hand competitor feel like a second class citizen Why if there are 20 places are there not 10 ridden and 10 in hand ?? Give the VHS a chance. At least they have listened to their membership this year and given the In Hand competitors some guarantees. Let's see how this year pans out before moaning about it!
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Post by vetlover on Apr 22, 2010 19:08:47 GMT
We will vote for him he certainly looks like he loves his job and certainly flies the flag for our older best friends! Good luck in the poll too!
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Post by samr on Apr 22, 2010 19:19:53 GMT
Phanty is an outstanding pony, and yes he would be hard to beat, but he loves his job and everytime i have seen him i get goose bumps when he performs. Absolutely amazing
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Post by minkara on Apr 22, 2010 20:15:57 GMT
helen, - you can never please everyone!!
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Post by sidesaddlelady on Apr 22, 2010 20:32:50 GMT
Phanty is amazing and an example for all that do the vhs classes to aim for.
Just my personal opinion, but think that at the vhs final once your horse/pony has won at Olympia, it should not be allowed to qualify further in that age section. If, like Phanty, it is that good, it will have no problems waiting for the next age group to qualify again. Personally if I am ever lucky enough to qualify my old timers and they were winners, i would not contest the final with them again. However, i would not retire them but alternatively would not hike them around the country to try to qualify again. Just my own preference and no offence to anyone.
It is a shame that there is not a winner for each age group, as any that qualify for Olympia are all worthy potential winners in their own right. Well done to the vhs for doing a separate in hand section this year. They are trying to make the competition better and better and like Helen E says, give them a chance before moaning.
I shall now wait for my karmas to disappear...
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Post by my boy lad on Apr 22, 2010 20:42:18 GMT
i agree my veteran leadrein has plenty of life in him he does not look his age at all and still does very well in his big m and m classes 12 last yr out of 48 at the rwas he enjoys every second he is in the ring,and if he ever got to win at olympia and he was fit and well he would go back again , so good luck to all you guys with your veterans xxx one day i might meet you all in a class xxxxx
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Post by thecremellosociety on Apr 22, 2010 20:44:19 GMT
we could look at shows having a in hand and a ridden championship instead of the combined one maybe ?? make it a fairer split.
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Post by Addled on Apr 22, 2010 21:36:05 GMT
Did it not always used to be that if you qualified for Olympia one year then you weren't allowed to qualify the next year, then you could again the year after? An every other year thing the same ponies didn't get seen year after year? Or did I just imagine that ...
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Post by rl on Apr 22, 2010 21:40:55 GMT
We are doing a separate In Hand and Ridden Veteran Championship at RL this year, then an overall supreme, as many of you will know thia is a subject close to our hearts,
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Post by rl on Apr 22, 2010 21:45:16 GMT
quote author=Addled board=guests thread=46440 post=407907 time=1271972165]Did it not always used to be that if you qualified for Olympia one year then you weren't allowed to qualify the next year, then you could again the year after? An every other year thing the same ponies didn't get seen year after year? Or did I just imagine that ...[/quote]
Yes I believe this was the case previously, not sure why they would have changed it really, but looking forward to seeing Phanty again next year!!
On another note - full marks to the VHS for helping out us poor In Handers - boy is feeling well and fit (touch wood) this year at 24; we have knocked on the door 2 years running, third time lucky maybe (if the powers that be think that's right)
We can only try -got to be in it to win it!!
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Post by minkara on Apr 22, 2010 21:47:47 GMT
go Luke!!! would love to see your there!! xx
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Post by poop on Apr 22, 2010 23:49:22 GMT
how bizarre, if winning Olympia twice is pothunting, what does that make every pony or horse thats ever won at HOYs and then tries to qualifiy the following year?! Id say the competition need to raise their game, instead of trying to ban the winner!, concentrate on trying harder and doing a better job with your own ponies.
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Post by sjc on Apr 23, 2010 7:12:15 GMT
Im not saying its a bad thing defending your 'title' but when we first started VHS classes a few years ago, the winner of the Final at Olympia couldnt compete in the final the following year, in my opinion this is fair but then im prob the only one who thinks that . Just my opinion of course x x
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Post by Blaze13 on Apr 23, 2010 7:19:46 GMT
Why shouldn't veterans be allowed to continue as long as they are fit & well there shouldn't be a problem with them competing.
If they qualify for HOY'S or any major show in more one class or on consecutive years then good luck to them. It shows to me that they are being cared for & looked after in the correct manner.
My Granddaughter has a 19 yr old schoolmaster who is still winning and going strong.
I'm quickly becoming a veteran myself & to be honest the pony has more energy and looks fitter than I do. He also gets more attention than I do!!!
Good luck and may all the veterans carry on for many years to come.
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Post by fmm on Apr 23, 2010 8:10:57 GMT
Surely the whole point of the VHS Olympia final is to find the absolutely best veteran in the country? That can't happen if you put too many restrictions in place.
I rest my case.
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