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Post by itk on Nov 19, 2006 21:23:24 GMT
The silver medal idea was discussed by council but I believe thrown out.
Beats me.
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Post by I would of thought on Nov 19, 2006 21:27:25 GMT
I would of thought that the NPS would of put the suggestion of such a big change to the members first or at least given it time to sink in, not just change the rules so quickly.
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Post by Observer on Nov 19, 2006 21:36:19 GMT
The Olympia qualifiers went down hill when competitors started working that some of the judges were bent and were putting their mates, other judges or other council's members ponies through.
The way to get more entries is for the NPS to try to ensure that this does not happen. I think there was a vast improvement this year and hopefully the trend will continue.
But as for them changing the rule this will bring the competition back down again. No one would mind a competitor producer or otherwise getting 10 ponies through if they really had the best ponies and deservefd to qualify.
Come on NPS get real.
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Post by joke on Nov 19, 2006 21:40:49 GMT
You are all jumping up and down but I bet none of you are going to contact the nps about this ridiculous rule.
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Post by essendy on Nov 19, 2006 21:56:10 GMT
Just read the comment about producers earning more than nurses.Right its time I gave up my job as a nurse and become a producer.Then I wouldnt be so skint,I would get to go to more shows and actually see my horse more often.  |
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Post by Poor producer on Nov 19, 2006 22:05:29 GMT
Just read the comment about producers earning more than nurses.Right its time I gave up my job as a nurse and become a producer.Then I wouldnt be so skint,I would get to go to more shows and actually see my horse more often. A few might ie the ones in Australia, but most don't. |
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Post by joke on Nov 20, 2006 12:43:05 GMT
I hear there is an nps council meeting tomorrow.
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Post by impossible on Nov 20, 2006 13:15:18 GMT
Dont think they could implemt this rule any way surely it would effect peoples businesses. The producers would be quite right to take the nps to court as its basically trying to restrict their trade and then all our membership money would then be used in a lengthy legal battle and not to improve the society.
ps not a producer but a 1st year law student !
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Post by Dropping In on Nov 20, 2006 13:26:54 GMT
A bit "off topic" here...but I have always admired anyone who still has the enthusiasm for showing in December!!! Another thing, why is the most prestigious M&M competition held at this late time of year when any self respecting native pony should be..well...hairy?
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Post by JadeCannon on Nov 20, 2006 13:47:04 GMT
Ridiculous Rule. Not going to work!
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Post by MM on Nov 20, 2006 13:47:49 GMT
Is this "new rule" the best the NPS could come up with!! I thought they were going to make some radical changes to improve the numbers entering the classes. What does the NPS hope to achieve?
Implenting this new rule could end up reducing enteries and potentially omit worthy ponies from the competition. It may even mean those amateurs with more than one pony could be affected more than the producer, who can always get other riders!!
Olympia is the best of the best of the M&M's. I would want to know that I had beaten the best of the best to get there. Beating the professionals makes it all the better.
Looking at the judging of the qualifying rounds would be more useful. ie 2 judges, marking sheets etc
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Post by hmm on Nov 20, 2006 14:46:19 GMT
Err, has this rule changed actually been published anywhere?
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Post by skivingsolicitor on Nov 20, 2006 15:05:39 GMT
Dont think they could implemt this rule any way surely it would effect peoples businesses. The producers would be quite right to take the nps to court as its basically trying to restrict their trade and then all our membership money would then be used in a lengthy legal battle and not to improve the society. ps not a producer but a 1st year law student ! Can't see how you have come to this conclusion myself  |
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Post by member on Nov 20, 2006 16:52:40 GMT
Be interesting to know who put the rule forward. Perhaps the NPS need a change in the makeup of the competitions committee who are basically the same as the show committee and those who upset us all a few years back. Fresh fair blood looks what is needed but rules are never easy to put together.
Agree that there should have been discussion with the membership on this one not bulldozing a crazy idea through. The Silver Medal no doubt would have helped entries and made the competition even more prestigious.
The Olympia judging was less controversial this year and good ponies have got through. As for the time of year this is a Hairy pony competition and they should look "native" in December. On glamour and the craving for a summer coat make it any different.
Olympia has an unbeatable atmosphere and we all have something to look forward too and the chance to meet friends from all over.
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Post by Welshy on Nov 20, 2006 18:03:03 GMT
Well, I for one would welcome this rule. The problems that the NPS are trying to overcome are mainly twofold and both have been alluded to.
Firstly, that they want to get back to good old basics in the quality of the PONY standing at their championships and the NPS ridden final at Olympia is one of these.
Secondly, they want to get back to basics again in the quantity and chance for all out there who take their ponies to all the qualifyers, who up to now, sometimes frankly get overlooked by the old pals scheme.
Good on the NPS, lets try it ands see.
Oh and stop whinging producers and go back to your riding ponies and leave our M&Ms alone again please
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Post by Maybe on Nov 20, 2006 18:06:24 GMT
David Bright mentioned something about a rule change and said it would be on the website, its not there yet. Perhaps it was him.
May be it has just been put forward to council and not agreed yet, if so I hope they read this site.
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Post by whatever on Nov 20, 2006 18:28:19 GMT
Oh and stop whinging producers and go back to your riding ponies and leave our M&Ms alone again please Ha ha producers have done more for the natives than anyone!!! |
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Post by rtk on Nov 20, 2006 18:31:16 GMT
How many times have we seen owner/riders trying to qualifying and failing.
They then put a professional rider on board and the pony qualifies.
The owner then gets to ride at Olympia. No way round it, either you have:
1. A sub standard combination at Olympia OR
2. qualifying based on the face on board nothing else
Either way it doesn't look good for showing.
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Post by dillis on Nov 20, 2006 18:55:20 GMT
I agree with mm 2 judges and a marks system would go someway to alleviating the facey business. If this suggested (?) rule is implemented imo it will either lower the standard or just become an amateur competition, and as mentioned before what if the jockey is injured or something...........
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Post by joke on Nov 20, 2006 18:58:22 GMT
This is a new rule, Linda Impey has been ringing up people to tell them about it.
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Post by getwithit on Nov 20, 2006 19:58:27 GMT
Producers riding horses to qualify happens in all sections of horses. Jane Webber rode several cobs to qualify hoys for their owners. You can't just say "it's not fair that X has 2 ponies through" if X has the best 2 ponies, they deserve to have them through. And don't start telling producers to "go back to their riding ponies" there have always been producers in natives, so get over it and enjoy being judged by the straight judges    |
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Post by which ones on Nov 20, 2006 20:18:15 GMT
How many times have we seen owner/riders trying to qualifying and failing. They then put a professional rider on board and the pony qualifies. Either way it doesn't look good for showing. I havent seen this can you name a few then please. |
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Post by Simple Simon on Nov 20, 2006 20:21:51 GMT
This is a new rule, Linda Impey has been ringing up people to tell them about it. I certainly hope not as she hasnt rung me this will be totally unprofessional of a chairman to ring round people without members being informed. Also it will be the death of the M&M Olympia competition. |
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Post by Producer fan on Nov 20, 2006 20:26:46 GMT
Producers riding horses to qualify happens in all sections of horses. Jane Webber rode several cobs to qualify hoys for their owners. You can't just say "it's not fair that X has 2 ponies through" if X has the best 2 ponies, they deserve to have them through. And don't start telling producers to "go back to their riding ponies" there have always been producers in natives, so get over it and enjoy being judged by the straight judges Carol Isacc is one of the top M&M producers in the country and has been doing it for a long as I can remember. She has produced more than one for Olympia on two occasions, I believe and won it. Without people like her the M&M's would of stood still, so dont knock producers. You have plenty of home produced and ameture classes leave the Olympias and professional alone if you dont like the competition stick to your special classes. |
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Post by Bonkers on Nov 20, 2006 20:52:31 GMT
Beautifully put "producer fan".
The home produced lot have plenty of opportunities to win a red rosette - and the pros don't whine about being beaten by the amateurs when they deserve it.
Why the big produced vs home produced divide?? it's the "amateurs" that seem to be causing the most trouble!!!
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Post by medal hope on Nov 20, 2006 20:57:22 GMT
Only the best ponies and combinations overall should qualify for Olympia and on the most part that has happened this year. The competition has been running as it stands successfully for a long time. There is no need to change the qualifying criteria but the silver medal idea would give everyone the chance to qualify for another respected competition and would encourage more of us to enter. If a pony hasn't got a chance of going Champion then it's too expensive to consider entering unless it's at a nearby show but we would have a go if the silver medal was offered as there's always a chance of winning a section.
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Post by rtk on Nov 20, 2006 21:07:26 GMT
Dont know why this has turned into a pro v amateur discussion. If a producer qualifies and competes a pony thats great. The issue is when a rider qualifies more than one, no-one said that it had to be a producer. An amateur could qualify two as well.
If someone else rides its not the combination that qualified.
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Post by Guestless on Nov 20, 2006 22:18:13 GMT
How many times have we seen owner/riders trying to qualifying and failing. They then put a professional rider on board and the pony qualifies. I havent seen this can you name a few then please. Please don't - so far this thread has managed to refrain from being personal and I think that's the way it should stay. You have plenty of home produced and ameture classes leave the Olympias and professional alone if you dont like the competition stick to your special classes. What a lovely comment to make - nothing like stoking the fire of the professional/amateur debate! |
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Post by blackknight1 on Nov 20, 2006 23:42:10 GMT
Why suggest that it was DB that put the rule forward? How would he benefit when they have the whole family out with a number of ponies in the qualifiers? He actually voted against the introduction of the rule... This is definatly a rule that is coming in, i have it on good authority As i said right at the beginning, 2 judges and a score system would make the whole competition more appealing to alot of people, possibly that is why, even with the sometimes extortionate entry fees for the HOYS classes that includes the levy they get the numbers forward.  |
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Post by blackknight1 on Nov 20, 2006 23:47:19 GMT
oopps pressed enter before i had finished I dont like the idea that the silver medal rosette be given to section winners, it is a hard competition to qualify for and think it should remain as such, keeping the prestige of it. PUK used to be a presigous show to qualify for when you had to be champion or reserve to get the Glyn Greenwood ticket or class winner for the Kingsford, now look at it, a glorified gymkana!! |
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