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Post by riddle on Nov 27, 2006 19:16:10 GMT
Good point, think of the entrys owners will waste, don't expect the nps have thought of that.
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Post by A Friend said on Nov 27, 2006 20:42:17 GMT
A friend of mine said they were talking to an NPS council member, this member said they were unable to comment  on this suposed new rule, ( which is suprising as this person usually holds nothing in) lol but they did say that a few rules had been passed and that they think it is what the members had asked for???  But my friend had the impression that the main rule that had been changed was that there would be 2 judges in the Olympia classes.............?? However this was not confirmd and I dont know what it was that this member said to him to give my friend this impression........ So I dont know...........I just think if they are planning any changes then they should ask us members. I supose at the end of the day if this rule really does stink then if we vote with our feet they would have to change it back or at least listen to the majority of us members. |
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Post by Claire Smalley on Nov 27, 2006 21:04:56 GMT
In reply to WCRs comments, perhaps car racing was too different a comparison. A more likely one would be asking a top dog show handler to change the breed that they specialise in for another because they could only have one of that breed at Crufts. Again, I am sure many handlers do show a variety of breeds, but what I was trying to stress, is that it takes a lot of time and years of experience to show M&M's properly, as guestless mentioned, you have to know your breed to be able to assess whether it is a good representative - I wonder if Robert Oliver or Roy Trigg would know a good Highland if it fell on them?!! The answer may be yes, but I am sure their knowledge would be as sketchy as mine would be on all the intricate aspects of showing a top hunter. Anyway, the main point is WHY SHOULD producers be forced into other areas of showing if they don't want to. If I had a top small hack, I don't think I would send it to Aimee (&^%$ or Sam Roberts (no disrespect Aimee and Sam), I would probably think of sending it to Katie Jerram or Alister Hood, surely? And if I wanted a top M&M produced for me, Aimee and Sam would be at the top of my list. Don't forget that to have a horse produced to the top costs an owner a small fortune, and most producers are well known because they are good at their jobs producing the type of ponies/horses that they have specialised in and know back to front. I thought we were always complaining about its not what you know, its who you know, so surely people pay these specialists for their knowledge!
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Post by cheeky on Nov 28, 2006 9:39:16 GMT
Nice One Claire !
You talk and awful lot of sense and i agree with you totally ! ;D
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Post by Welsh Cob Rider on Nov 28, 2006 10:21:45 GMT
For the record - no I have not been to Olympia, nor have I had a horse produced for Olympia (or bred any cobs!). I am one of the amateurs who has a (very busy) fulltime job and tries to juggle riding and showing my horses around work. My "show" pony is not just a showing animal but my general all round ride and therefore I dont rough them off over the winter but carry on riding and doing a bit of dressage, hunting, etc etc. Which is where my comments about winter coat and keeping them wrapped in hood & rugs come from, not from ever actually producing for Olympia. It was just an observation I made recently that (despite not trying that hard) my pony's coat was still looking really good. And yes, point taken I have not ever had a 'hairy' and understand that the challenges of trying to keep coat in good condition may be a lot more challenging for those breeds. And of course it varies from pony to pony, and I am sure there are some Welsh Cobs that get very woolly and hairy whatever you try and do as well. stressful - good luck with your pony at Olympia, and hope the excitement and pleasure of qualifying and going to such a great event is not taken away by the stress it is causing ! Lots of interesting opinions and thoughts here, always good to have a healthy debate !  |
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Post by college on Nov 29, 2006 11:34:16 GMT
its always going to be facey producers or not. there are many different levels of home produced aswell and some nearly professional so the new rule will certainly not stop bias judging it will just cut the producer out of the picture. some of the average ponies qualifying is because of the lack of support when you have only one pony in a section then you don't have much of an option but fo it to go through and if its the best average pony out of the lot. average ponies are going to olympia from a lack of support not from producers qualifying them.  |
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Post by SHEEP on Nov 29, 2006 11:39:27 GMT
THE NPS PASS RULES AND MAKE RULE WITHOUT CONSULTING ALL THEIR COUNCIL MEMBERS LETS ALONE US POOR BUGERS WHO PAY THE MEMBERSHIP FEES.
I SAY SCRAP THE COUNCIL AND GET A NEW ONE
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Post by anna on Nov 29, 2006 12:17:54 GMT
its always going to be facey producers or not. there are many different levels of home produced aswell and some nearly professional so the new rule will certainly not stop bias judging it will just cut the producer out of the picture. some of the average ponies qualifying is because of the lack of support when you have only one pony in a section then you don't have much of an option but fo it to go through and if its the best average pony out of the lot. average ponies are going to olympia from a lack of support not from producers qualifying them. I dont think there is any average ponies going to olympia this year. |
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Post by i agree on Nov 30, 2006 12:21:19 GMT
I agree clare Smalley some very good points and if I had the money I would love to send my M and M to Aimee but if im honest they are not as good as the ones she has got but it would be interesting to see how well she got her going If I had a Hack I would send it to Robert Walker.
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Post by postal Vote anytime soon on Dec 11, 2006 16:14:14 GMT
anytime soon a postal voting sheet will be issued by the nps on the new rule so fill it in and get it sent back! it will come with membership information and your new rule book minus the olympia rules were a serperate on will be issued after. XX |
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Post by Small Hack on Dec 11, 2006 16:48:18 GMT
I agree clare Smalley some very good points and if I had the money I would love to send my M and M to Aimee but if im honest they are not as good as the ones she has got but it would be interesting to see how well she got her going If I had a Hack I would send it to Robert Walker. If I had a Hack I'd do it myself so I knew what was happenig to it as hacks are very sensitive and take it for lessons with the likes of Ruth McMullen, David Tatlow, Allister Hood, Katie jerram, Stella Harries or Richard Ramsay and learn how to produce one for myself so that I could then pass on what I had picked up from them to the next generation. |
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Post by OK on Dec 11, 2006 16:55:27 GMT
anytime soon a postal voting sheet will be issued by the nps on the new rule so fill it in and get it sent back! it will come with membership information and your new rule book minus the olympia rules were a serperate on will be issued after. XX So I take it the ''proposed'' new rule is not set in stone? Have the NPS actuall taken on board some of the comments from its members????I really do hope so If you know that a voting sheet is being set out, can you confrim what the new proposed rule will be??? |
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Post by worried on Dec 11, 2006 19:21:47 GMT
It seems to me there are to many people from the top down wards leaking information and being indiscreet.
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Post by Just ask on Dec 11, 2006 22:38:52 GMT
It seems to me there are to many people from the top down wards leaking information and being indiscreet. There is no one leaking information, if you phone the office and ask about this they will tell you about the form that is coming out. |
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Post by shelley on Dec 12, 2006 20:00:00 GMT
We were told about a vote at a recent area meeting
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Post by tickledpink on Dec 12, 2006 20:14:57 GMT
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Post by The people on Dec 12, 2006 22:37:00 GMT
 the great front runners and supporters of implenmenting this rule are the bowlings and the brights they are all up there, as semi proffesionals this rule most probly won't affect them as they qualify ponies every year but for us people who either have producers try and qualify them for us or pull out all the stops to pay for them to do it to give us this chance, what are we meant to do? pay for somone to qualify and then pay to watch your pony? some poeple dream to just ride at olympia, and if a producer is the only way of doing that then so be it. but this new rule will destroy that option for many people and just make less people interested in doing the qualifyers. its not just the winning some people just want the pleasure of riding there and are using the resources available to do it.
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Post by Guestless on Dec 12, 2006 23:19:40 GMT
the great front runners and supporters of implenmenting this rule are the bowlings and the brights they are all up there, as semi proffesionals this rule most probly won't affect them as they qualify ponies every year I hope that comment is based on fact and is not said out of malice. Personally I can't see why the Bowlings would be behind it - they usually campaign more than one pony at the Olympia qualifiers so they could lose out if the rule is implemented just as much as producers. |
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Post by workaholic on Dec 13, 2006 7:13:44 GMT
Stop winging and look at this potential rule for what it is...totally daft! Last year was a one off! Producers do qualify ponies and they have as much right to as the rest of us. Some people buy up teams of ponies, do them at home and hope that quantity will ensure them a ticket but it doesn't. Whsat this is all about is the BEST pony getting through ON THE DAY. The decision therefore lies with the judge. A home produced pony on the whole has far more time spent on it than the avarage pony in a professional yard. Let's be real here many of them aren't even schooled by the pro. So home producers back off, put your heads down, do your homework and PLAN for 2007. Use the pro's fo lessons, stop thnking you are as good as them [you may well be!!] and continue to have lessons. Kepp watch on who likes your poony and who judges by the form book and don't waste money on travelling where you have no chance of getting through. See your pony for what it is, accept its and your faults, assess whether it has true Olympia potential - that can hurt - and run it as well as you possibly can. Dreams can come true but you only get out what you put in and that applies to everybody.
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Post by bogpony on Dec 13, 2006 9:05:21 GMT
I hear a lot of breeders are very cross with the new nps Olympia rule, the qualifying rider must ride the pony at the final. well there is a simple reply to that, you breed it, you ride it... |
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Post by Ferret not logged in on Dec 13, 2006 9:16:34 GMT
i think that we really should see what happens with the rules and see what the NPS come up with , then start a new thread maybe ....does anyone know when we are going to find out about this rule ?!  |
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Post by trinny on Dec 13, 2006 11:20:25 GMT
rung the nps they said it will be issued in january
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Post by Pho3ni on Dec 13, 2006 11:53:11 GMT
not that long to wait then... x-mas and new year to get out the way and then we'll find out.... i dont suppose they commited to an actual date? |
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Post by Lala on Dec 14, 2006 0:31:06 GMT
It will have to be at least one month before the AGM and that's said to be at the end of February in Yorkshire
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on this suposed new rule, ( which is suprising as this person usually holds nothing in) lol but they did say that a few rules had been passed and that they think it is what the members had asked for??? 
the great front runners and supporters of implenmenting this rule are the bowlings and the brights they are all up there, as semi proffesionals this rule most probly won't affect them as they qualify ponies every year but for us people who either have producers try and qualify them for us or pull out all the stops to pay for them to do it to give us this chance, what are we meant to do? pay for somone to qualify and then pay to watch your pony? some poeple dream to just ride at olympia, and if a producer is the only way of doing that then so be it. but this new rule will destroy that option for many people and just make less people interested in doing the qualifyers. its not just the winning some people just want the pleasure of riding there and are using the resources available to do it. 
