Milliesmum
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Post by Milliesmum on May 11, 2008 17:13:45 GMT
Don't let them bother you! Have one from me!
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Post by wendbarry1 on May 12, 2008 13:04:04 GMT
Thank you, restored my faith in human nature! X
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Post by guest43 on May 19, 2008 13:23:46 GMT
we went to a show acouple of weeks ago, we won the novice cobs and the horse that was second to us went on to win the lights, then we won the heavies. In the championship, the novice bucked in his gallop so we knew he'd be nowhere, but the heavy weight went foot perfect, gave an amazing gallop and was just awesome. Then the judge had the light weight champion and the second hevyweight reserve?!!?!?!? what the hell?! they said over the tannoy it had been swapped round because a championship is judged on the gallop, how unfair is this? the heavy weight deserved to win, and the judge said the reason he didn't was because he 'lit up' too much. i can't tell you how quiet this horse is, it was brilliant to have two wins, but that did make us a bit cross!!
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Post by Balvenie on May 19, 2008 14:21:09 GMT
sometimes happens in champsionships.
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Post by wendbarry1 on May 23, 2008 21:39:18 GMT
Someone is playing with my karmas now, down to -5. what did i say this time?  ?? |
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Post by dun4u on May 23, 2008 22:25:30 GMT
Have one from me - Now you're on -3.
And I'm a poet and don't I know it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Balvenie on May 24, 2008 8:07:30 GMT
wendbarry1 have one from me, your now on -1!
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Post by wendbarry1 on May 24, 2008 10:00:57 GMT
Hey, thanks guys, now on 0!
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Post by shelleyj on May 24, 2008 10:09:33 GMT
pleasure!
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Post by Bombardier on May 26, 2008 19:34:03 GMT
Showing is certainly alot worse. I'm at the point of giving up! The cost of diesel to get there, membership and the costs of the classes etc, to not be judged fairly. For example which happens allll the time, My pony went awful in a novice class just recently, ended up 2nd beating great competition. (Who all went well). Last in the RIHS qualifier having gone much better. Others at the top went awful? Same judge?!! I havn't had a great win since 2005. I now have better ponies/horses... and I'm getting no where?! If showing gets more expensive, with diesel prices rocketing, i'm sure alot of people will quit and kill the so called sport. I love showing, but its now getting beyond a joke.
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Post by shelia on May 27, 2008 18:48:40 GMT
What About the judges that constantly place a horse first, even if its gone on the wrong leg etc and there are nicer horses in the class??
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Post by magsby pickles on May 28, 2008 10:38:10 GMT
at a pony club, i took my grey section b in the small breeds, there were other ponies in my class and i can honestly say my pony did a foot perfect show all of the other ponies made at least two mistakes and i however was placed last, when the judge handed me my rosette i asked her what i had done wrong as i knew that my pony behaved perfectly she replied its not that he didnt do a perfect show its that i dont think hes very pretty. I was completely heartbroken, as i belive my pony is beautiful and many have agreed, i went out of the class crying but not because of a first rosette but the fact that the judge had the nerve to call my pony
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Post by Giddie on May 28, 2008 11:42:52 GMT
Don't let that bother you , in one of my first ever shows, we came last, he was the only one of 8 yearling colts that stood up for the judge so he could be assessed , the others either backed away or spent their time on their back legs. He was also the only one to walk away and trot back without breaking or without the aid of the steward shooing him up , and 5 of the other 7 competitors were just amazed that he didn't win..Not that l expected that at all but, when they made a point of approaching me to say that, it does make one think. I guess it was fair to say that he didn't have as much enthusiasm as some of the others. The reason given for his last place was that he didn't have much between his eyes...It was total rubbish as you could drive a tank through the gap. Ironically he has the broadest gap between his eyes more so than any of my other ponies, all of whom have done very well for me..That was three years ago now. Just plucking up the confidence to show him again this season..First show with him 6th July.
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Post by armada on May 28, 2008 12:02:55 GMT
I had a judge tell me last year my foal was wrong in the head, he was 6 weeks old, the weather was awful and it was his first show, he was tired and ratty and like most foals (and lets face it, small children) decided to show his displeasure by flinging himself on the floor a few times, taking me with him. I was appalled, she also dropped my mare down for no apparent reason - well there was a reason considering who it was she pulled up to 1st, but I could go with that, it was just what she said about my foal that was really beyond the pale. It was downright rude.
He has turned into a super quality youngster with manners to burn, and it would be nice to stand under her again to see what she said about him now, but never will I be insulted by a judge like that again, and never will I waste my money to stand under someone so lacking in tact and manners.
Normally I dont agree with spectators barracking a judge from the ringside, but on that day, after what was said, I felt it was well deserved!!
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Post by bowditchblobs on May 28, 2008 15:41:31 GMT
When i was younger i took a 2yr old coloured i had at the time to a BSPA show, the judge said she had never seen such a gangley mess of a youngster- maybe he was but you dont say that to a young girl- never forgotten it or her.
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Post by merlod on Jun 4, 2008 20:26:18 GMT
When does the class description mean anything? If you were judgeing a motorbike class, would you put a double decker bus first! So why are out and out show ponies placed in hunter pony classes at the expense of true to type hunter ponies and the converse!?! Why have class descriptions at all? THAT is what you call unfair judging.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 4, 2008 20:31:26 GMT
I once judged a class called 'Ridden Cob Type' at a local show, lady with a beautiful and well mannered heavyweight hunter had a strop because I didn't place her. She couldn't understand that although the horse hadn't put a foot wrong, it just wasn't his class.
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Post by dun4u on Jun 5, 2008 11:37:52 GMT
These problems that Merlod and Milliesmum have mentioned are also very common at the 'bottom end' of the showing circuit. Class descriptions are so necessary in the schedule at local shows.
It is for the Judge to study the small print and follow it to the letter. If there is no description it leaves the class wide open to almost anybody! I have, on many occasions had the same horse forward in several different classes. The owners of these 'versatile' horses believe that if they are first in the Riding Horse class then obviously the Judge likes it and will therefore put it at the top in everything else, like Hunter, Riding Club Horse and Cob, whilst competing in the WH classes inbetween. They are often disappointed and do not seem to understand what I am actually looking for in each class.
The same goes for pony classes - many local show organisers do not seem to think it is necessary to put anything in the schedule other than the name of the class. This makes it very difficult for us Judges who could find that a 13 hh pony with a 12 year old rider performs the best show in a Leading Rein class, but is not shown in a snaffle bridle and the First Riddens are turned-out in anything but a suitable bit. Local exhibitors really do need guide-lines and will learn from them, (such as attaching the leading rein to the noseband) and it makes life for the Judges so much easier!
Perhaps the powers that be should state in the schedule that those entered in Riding Pony classes are not eligible for Hunter Pony - but, of course, that would mean a drop in the revenue.
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Post by wendbarry1 on Jun 5, 2008 15:45:56 GMT
Merlod, heard that the shp at cothi were very sp like? Wasn't there, just what i heard.
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Post by merlod on Jun 5, 2008 18:55:51 GMT
When the class states Pony of SHOW HUNTER TYPE or CHILDREN'S RIDING PONY or SHOW PONY what else could it mean? I've even checked the type standard on the INTERNET with as many socs. as I can find just to check that I ain't got it wrong. Certainly some of the "Show Hunters" I've seen over the years would not last two minutes in South Wales hunting country. and surely Show Ponies are fine and elegant. I have derived my ideas of these animals by listening to people who have been in the game a very long time and have probably forgotten more than some self proclaimed experts will ever know, As an old farmer used to say "Findo mas yn gyntaf" FIND OUT FIRST! |
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Post by merlod on Jun 5, 2008 19:12:16 GMT
Wendbarry 1. Yep to your question and manners were not a creiterium either!!!!!
Did you get e mailed schedule? See you on 14th!
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Post by shelleyj on Jun 6, 2008 8:26:06 GMT
Had a problem with our B - successful under a lot of judges as shp, plenty of bone and substance, which means lots of M&M judges don't like him! However take him to the bsps champs and most of the hunter ponies would break an eyelash if shown anywhere near a hunting field! This has led us to believe that hunter ponies are not meant to be hunters - should this class therefore be renamed?
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Post by Balvenie on Jun 6, 2008 8:51:26 GMT
One of my pet hates these pretty fine things going in shp classes. I will always put up type ponies, when im judging. Some people think just by sticking a plain bridle on makes them into something they are not. I learnt from two of the finest horse men, Vin Toulson and Tub Ivans, and they would both turn in their graves with the fine things that are dominating shp classes at the present. Our shp although he's very 'look at me' jumps and has been out hunting over the winter.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 6, 2008 9:47:03 GMT
Talking of pet hates, why do you see so many ponies overbent? I was always taught that you should ride a horse into the bridle, but so many people seem to haul a pony's head in and the back end is still trailing out behind! Sorry, just think it looks awful!!
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Post by hormonal on Jun 6, 2008 12:00:40 GMT
However take him to the bsps champs and most of the hunter ponies would break an eyelash if shown anywhere near a hunting field! This has led us to believe that hunter ponies are not meant to be hunters - should this class therefore be renamed? I don't think you can judge how good a hunter a pony is by how light or chunky it is. A friend of mine has a SHP who is definitely one of the lighter, prettier types, but that doesn't stop it being a fantastic pony in the hunting field as well! |
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Post by overatdaknee on Jun 6, 2008 12:32:42 GMT
Our retired 14.2hh show pony (winner at champs) enjoyed many a days hunting before she went to stud. She was fine with extravagant movement but that didn't stop her out hunting and she made light work of heavy going! I do agree though that quality bone and good limbs do seem to be lacking in some of our SHP winners.
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Post by Giddie on Jun 6, 2008 13:09:55 GMT
OVERATDAKNEE, I totally agree with you, however like you, l like to see quality bone and quality quality limbs l like to see a good sturdy hunter, something that l can sit to and something that isn't going to buckle under me at the slightest mistake. In my opinion you can not beat that good old fashioned so ugly, that's it's pretty hunter type. The more common they look the better hunters they seem to make. I know thats a sweeping statement but l guess you know what l mean !!!
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Post by halfpass on Jun 6, 2008 13:33:35 GMT
I agree withyou all but thier is good quality bone and ones with legs like telephone poles and I would rather have slightly less good flat bone than than more round bone any day
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Post by dun4u on Jun 6, 2008 13:54:42 GMT
Overheard at P(UK) a few years ago: ' I wanted to put her (Riding Pony, spindly legs) in the Hunter Ponies as well but I couldn't get enough weight on her'.
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Post by merlod on Jun 6, 2008 19:57:37 GMT
I seem to have opened a can of worms! Perhaps I could suggest that we just have "pony" classes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (or then perhaps we'll get very large dogs!)
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