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Post by ets on Jan 30, 2011 23:24:23 GMT
i if you please, can someone enlighten me as to where i am going wrong, i have and ride a hack, a fine muscular, elegant mare standing around 15 hands.. free and light forward movement that is correct and straight through the knee to outstretched pointed toes..
in the ring i can fail to see what i believe to be correct and will be stunned when i am down the line to what can be more associated as a riding horse or hunter, with its heavier weight and action....
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 31, 2011 3:03:48 GMT
They are light sometime PB ARab or with a high percentage TB blood, should be refined and dainty and basically a Big Show POny, you can argue a show pony needs to be a scaled down hack, beautiful conformation, clean limbed, light airy mover, moves with seemingless ease covering the groud in a graceful manner, light in the hand so can be ridden one handed ( so to be able to hold hands apparantly down rotten row with a lover when courting !) Mannerley, and well schooled.
Riding Horses should be more boned and less "pretty if you pardon the phrase, more workmanlike, but still light and mannerly maybe with a less floaty action than a hack, and with more substance, but still attractive and fills the voide between a TRUE hunter and a Hack, Fine line i feel between LW Hunter/ Small Hunter and Riding horses, with many changing catergories, but Riding horses generally have less bone and substance. For a good example abd when you have seen a good example of the Hack Hunter & RH you should be able to see, spot the subtle differences, the BSHA Handbook will give you a more in depth insight into what they should be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 6:22:14 GMT
Can you put a picture up of your mare?
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Post by rooanda on Jan 31, 2011 6:40:43 GMT
emma jane that for me wins your best posting ever  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 10:15:34 GMT
I thought it was a very good post too xx
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Post by haggis on Jan 31, 2011 11:04:42 GMT
Hi do not want to critise too much on the description of a hack but please they are NOT BIG SHOW PONIES , these animals have come into hacks , the true hack is a thing of great beauty and has a totally different way of going and paces , they do not belt round the ring and they have to give a ride!!
we have lost allot of the true hacks for those of you old enough to recall the heady days of showing the likes of Shalbourne last waltz, Miss Mceady ( hope you don't mind SS me giving her a mention as she truly deserves it), the lemmington Small Hacks, the Catherstone small hacks, Duke of Newcastle and last but not least the keens and all their hacks - not really Show Ponies
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jan 31, 2011 11:35:09 GMT
I believe the original term was "Park Hack" - the most quality, refined, elegant and educated creature which the Gentleman would feel proud to ride, whilst escorting his beloved in Hyde Park or Rotten Row.
Thank you Haggis, for mentioning my mare Miss McGredy during your lovely reminice! She was threequarter TB (an Anglo Arab) and, amazingly, she only stood 14.2-and-a-bit, but she definately was NOT a PONY. And most certainly did not RIDE like a pony.
Indeed the description of a Show PONY should be - 'a scaled down version of a true Show HACK'.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 31, 2011 11:35:44 GMT
Well it was not a bad reply for 3am most got my drift oh and if this reply works i have accessed horse gossip from my crappy old mobile there is no escape x
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 31, 2011 11:38:32 GMT
I beleive i did say that or vice versa so if i scaled down hack is a show pony what is it scaled up ?
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Post by haggis on Jan 31, 2011 12:00:47 GMT
good for you ej getting hg on the move!
right thinking caps on while recalling Small Hacks what was the one that Lord Kenyon had was called it was a bay and name started with A ---Vanessa de-Qunicy (spelling so sorry ) rode it
ej it is the way of going that is so diffrent and the type Ponies are Ponies with all the charming diffrences but hacks are horses, they used to be bred from Polo Ponies and Anglo arabs and small T.Bs
i just cant see some of the late /great showmen riding an over growen 14.2 sp but saying that they probley could get a tune out of it !
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Post by overatdaknee on Jan 31, 2011 13:56:16 GMT
I have spent a pleasant few months pouring over old pics of hacks hunters and cobs some going back to the '40's- I have to say one of my favourite pictures and a horse that to me shouts my ideal of a hack is Liberty Light :-)  |
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jan 31, 2011 14:07:44 GMT
I have spent a pleasant few months pouring over old pics of hacks hunters and cobs some going back to the '40's- I have to say one of my favourite pictures and a horse that to me shouts my ideal of a hack is Liberty Light :-) Which leads me on to comment - whatever would Count Robert Orsich and Annie Davy think of some of todays 'overgrown ponies/BSPS Intermediates' posing as Show Hacks.............? Eleegance-eleegance-eleegance was drummed into me and became my mantra. |
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 31, 2011 14:09:16 GMT
Beautiful picture
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Post by haggis on Jan 31, 2011 14:16:40 GMT
SS that was who i was trying to say but could not spell his name !!!!
very few of the young people understand the word elegence and also do not know what a hack canter is, but my big bug bearing is the young ladies in inters riding with their stick on their thigh -- that is a man !!!!!!
i must be getting old ! what a super pic of Liberty light she would still win today also look at the simple double she is in who is on top ?
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 31, 2011 14:28:57 GMT
That pic just shows the beuatiful limbs the sloping shoulder the well shaped hind leg with elegant long cannon bones but all in proportion true elegance ( unlike some of the concours outfits that look like loo roll toppers, this is elegant !)
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Post by hursty100 on Jan 31, 2011 14:31:31 GMT
what a beautiful old photo! How elegent and lady-like, and a very nice hack too. X
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Post by haggis on Jan 31, 2011 14:41:52 GMT
but ej you dont want too long cannon bones as long cannons have longer suspensory and tendons which can cause massive lameness ideally cannons should be 3/4 length of the forearm --- but we all knows this right?
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Post by haggis on Jan 31, 2011 14:43:17 GMT
oops forgot to add that is what makes the diffrence between a pony and a horse -- ponies have short cannons
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Post by sally1 on Jan 31, 2011 14:50:31 GMT
... but my big bug bearing is the young ladies in inters riding with their stick on their thigh -- that is a man !!!!!! Going to show my total showing ignorance here, but how should a lady hold their whip if not resting on their thigh? |
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Post by bea on Jan 31, 2011 14:53:48 GMT
Ok , as we are on the subject of 'what is a hack' can you all let me know if you think this mare is a hack ot Isrt (or neither lol) She is a retrained racehorse, 7 yrs old and 152.8 ahc reschooled over last 8 months by my daughter. thanks   |
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Post by matchingtonfarm1 on Jan 31, 2011 14:58:03 GMT
shes lovely , more of an isrt , what a nice kind eye she has . Andrew have you ever asked the judge (s) for their comments on annie and where you might be going wrong or what you could improve on .......  x |
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Post by tuppence on Jan 31, 2011 15:00:18 GMT
what a super pic of Liberty light she would still win today also look at the simple double she is in who is on top ? Mrs Selwyn Butcher |
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Post by haggis on Jan 31, 2011 15:01:15 GMT
wow what a lovely horse , i would rather say she was a riding horse as it must be understood that it is inter of show riding type so my humble understanding of this is that you want a tad of pony charachter before i am shot down just my humble views , but again what a lovely pattern and boy would i like that looking over my stable door
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Post by haggis on Jan 31, 2011 15:04:50 GMT
it means when you see the young girls holding their stick vertical with the reins in one hand and their stick being held vertical on their thigh with the other hand --- like all the hunter boys do in champs -- sorry if i did not make that clear before
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Post by matchingtonfarm1 on Jan 31, 2011 15:06:17 GMT
what height is she?
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Post by bea on Jan 31, 2011 15:21:09 GMT
She is 152.8cm, she moves far to flashy for a riding horse though!
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Post by haggis on Jan 31, 2011 15:28:48 GMT
but look at the great movers Legal Eagle , one small that Nigel Hollings won HOYS WITH,, MADAME VICTORIA was an other one or even futher back Just Rupert all very very good moversand the riding horse that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up Rob Walkers Broadstone Daulton now that was a "Flashy" mover it all depends on what you think is a flashy mover
and look at the Philander
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Post by mcw on Jan 31, 2011 16:50:33 GMT
TBH, i think it's just an over height SP EmmaJane that was really well explained well done   |
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jan 31, 2011 16:54:10 GMT
but look at the great movers Legal Eagle , one small that Nigel Hollings won HOYS WITH,, MADAME VICTORIA was an other one or even futher back Just Rupert all very very good moversand the riding horse that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up Rob Walkers Broadstone Daulton now that was a "Flashy" mover it all depends on what you think is a flashy mover and look at the Philander Legal Eagle was shown by Edward Young...... FORMIDABLE - another famous grey - and the horse I'd have loved to have owned. Gave you the most superlative ride - as a Judge, you simply didn't want to get off!! |
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Post by adrianne on Jan 31, 2011 17:06:40 GMT
How I agree with you Caroline.
Formidable was the epitome of how a hack should ride, but then I have found every horse produced by John Keen to be a most beautiful ride and a great example of the genre.
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