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Post by ets on Feb 3, 2011 22:05:40 GMT
i amazed to how much interest this thread as caused... making a good read... would you be so kind as to give opinions on my mare?
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Post by bow1607 on Feb 3, 2011 22:45:17 GMT
The picture is very small so cant really see
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Post by hatman on Feb 3, 2011 22:48:27 GMT
If you look at the brow band on that old photo. Bling has taken over. When i worked for stella harries in the 80's she had a x race horse we called it the black hack round the back it was a nightmare in the stable but went like a dream in the ring. We did not use glitter and coat shine just hours of hard work brushing every day.
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Post by ets on Feb 4, 2011 21:27:56 GMT
coat shine? whats that? :-) a bath and a good brush, good oil feed to make the coat stand out naturally.. :-)
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Post by dizzydora on Feb 4, 2011 21:42:55 GMT
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Post by hatman on Feb 4, 2011 21:45:21 GMT
She is stunning
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Post by dizzydora on Feb 4, 2011 21:52:23 GMT
Thank you hatman
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Post by bow1607 on Feb 4, 2011 21:56:22 GMT
She is absolutely breathtaking Dizzydora!
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Post by dizzydora on Feb 4, 2011 22:00:25 GMT
Thank you bow1607, i cant wait for her to be able to be ridden in a couple of years ;D
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Post by astro on Feb 4, 2011 22:04:43 GMT
Dizzydora What a lovely hack, she really is gorgeous a real credit to you bet shes always in the ribbons
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Post by astro on Feb 4, 2011 22:06:00 GMT
How is she bred
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Post by bow1607 on Feb 4, 2011 22:07:47 GMT
Thank you bow1607, i cant wait for her to be able to be ridden in a couple of years ;D I bet you cant! I will wish you luck but I doubt very much you will need it! ;D |
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Post by dizzydora on Feb 4, 2011 22:08:00 GMT
Thank you may, she did have a very good season last year. She's by Mayway Masterpiece and out of Aquarius White Magnolia.
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Post by bigmama on Feb 4, 2011 22:21:01 GMT
Jean Walsh-Wright has for many years successfuly bred, schooled, produced and shown her own top quality show hacks and you may be interested to see the following link www.becconsallequestriancentre.co.uk/becconsall_equestrian/jean_introduction/jean_walsh_wright.htmmany years ago whilst studying @ Becconsall Equestrian Centre for my BHS exams, i was, on three or four occasions, lucky enough to ride (and jump) Jean's large hack, Becconsall Bourneville (who was later sold for novice eventing after a hugely successful career in the show ring) and this beautiful boy always gave THE most amazing ride |
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Post by scotland on Feb 4, 2011 22:24:15 GMT
I have spent a pleasant few months pouring over old pics of hacks hunters and cobs some going back to the '40's- I have to say one of my favourite pictures and a horse that to me shouts my ideal of a hack is Liberty Light :-)  More of the same please!!! I truely believe the intermediate has been to the detrement to the hack and the RH (of which I had a lovely small!), has been to the detrement of the LW/Small Hunter! Will we see the likes of the above hack again?? |
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Post by bow1607 on Feb 4, 2011 22:33:01 GMT
Its not just hacks that have changed.... look at the difference in cobs!
sorry, going off topic completely! ;D
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Post by jinja on Feb 5, 2011 8:21:46 GMT
Why has the introduction of the intermediate classes stopped people breeding true hacks, that sounds daft to me. Why would breeders stop trying to breed such a beautiful animal as the pic above it is stunning.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Feb 5, 2011 11:50:24 GMT
Why has the introduction of the intermediate classes stopped people breeding true hacks, that sounds daft to me. Why would breeders stop trying to breed such a beautiful animal as the pic above it is stunning. I agree - and furthermore, I would say that the opposite was true. As the daughter of a Breeder (Late, sadly) specifically of top-class ponies AND show hacks, in those days it was less easy to place an animal if it just missed the 'spot'. Now, if an animal lacks that special 'je ne sais pas' then there is a ready market in the purpose made) Riding Horse Classes. And, if it has the aptitude to be a suitable 'young person's ride' then 'voila' - the BSBS Intermediate classes are there too. However, it should and it could (as I said previously) be able to be a Show Hack and an Intermediate. Or a Show Small Hunter and an Intermediate. Or a Show Riding Horse and an Intermediate. The 'Market place' offers many more opportunities now than when my mum was breeding. Edited to add - "Brave words Caroline - and I'm sure I'll be castigated for it............!!) |
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Post by jinja on Feb 5, 2011 15:32:37 GMT
Sensible words Caroline, and I applaud you for them.
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Post by bowditchblobs on Feb 5, 2011 15:44:39 GMT
What a facinating thread, beautiful horses!!
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Post by ets on Feb 5, 2011 19:22:38 GMT
i will suss out how to get big pictures on eventually!
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Post by Milliesmum on Feb 5, 2011 19:33:51 GMT
Sorry ets, no copyrighted pics allowed. You can put a link to the photographer's website though  |
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Post by Snowy on Feb 5, 2011 19:36:45 GMT
Dizzydora - not really into my plaiteds but she is beautiful i'm almost converted!
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Post by ets on Feb 5, 2011 21:57:38 GMT
lol... waiting for mr postman to bring them, here is one not subject to copyright.. :-)
taken at the home produced two weeks before i found her crippled with illness, now happily fully recovered..
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Post by LucyHebditch on Feb 5, 2011 22:23:41 GMT
ets, the picture is very small, but i think your horse is very sweet. In my opinion she looks like she generally needs to bulk out a tad and her front looks as though it needs to be a little bigger. Nice mare though
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Post by stormyskies on Feb 5, 2011 22:24:51 GMT
i dont really know what makes a hack, but the picture dizzydora put up epitomises what i see as a hack in my mind. pure elegance
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Post by jinja on Feb 6, 2011 8:01:03 GMT
ets, I saw your horse in the flesh, we took our novice out for experiance. , I was ridden by an older man. The poor thing had its head in the air and did not look very happy. Going from what I saw on the day you would need to put a lot of work in to get her right. I wish you every sucsess.
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Post by dizzydora on Feb 6, 2011 10:37:00 GMT
Dizzydora - not really into my plaiteds but she is beautiful i'm almost converted! Snowy- thank you very much for your kind words ;D if you saw her personality to I reckon she could convert you! Haha ;D |
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Post by dizzydora on Feb 6, 2011 10:39:15 GMT
i dont really know what makes a hack, but the picture dizzydora put up epitomises what i see as a hack in my mind. pure elegance Thank you stormyskies ;D |
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Post by ets on Feb 6, 2011 19:09:55 GMT
jinja,
where did you see my horse in the flesh, which was ridden by an older man..?
no work is needed really, two weeks after the show i found her crippled in her stable, i had no warning signs other than, she was troublesome undersaddle away from home at the home produced show, knowing now what was going to happen i can understand why, back home the menage is very stoft and comfy for the horses, the surface at bold is very hard underfoot, causing her discomfort that was unkown, it was thought that she was being silly... i had the vet check her the following monday, nothing could be found wrong!
one evening, i found her crippled.. stressed, sweating and starting to colic, by this time i had changed my vet who responded very quickly.. the vet was with her for hours trying to diagnose what the problem was, and even she could not work out what the cause was, other than seeing a horse stood in front of her crippled, temperature stupidly high and in a lot of pain... she was made comfortable for the night, blood tests taken.. but the next day i was told that they needed to get her on medicines urgent, as there was a concern...
the problem... a virus that as claimed the lives of other horses.. with out warning!
quick discription, in my horses the virus raised levels of white blood cells trying to fight it, this causing a toxic laminitus..
weight is always an issue with my mare, she came to me as an orphan foal, just a skeleton.. very upsetting and i will put a picture below to help understand... the slightest of illness it starts to fall off her.. the ironic part of the story, i had had a bad year with her weight and was starting to regain it at the home produced, the year before she was stunning, and looked too big.. unfortunately its the way she is..
both her parents are over 16 hands, she stands a mere 14.3 and 3/4, 15 hands with shoes!
her breeding will never make her a big horse to be fair.. grand sire hanoverian from louella stud, father belguim medium dressage horse...
anyway, i am pleased to say that she looks completely different from the picture last year, after near 4 months rest she rode at prestige... looking at everything and wild with excitement but ballanced and feeling good undersaddle... just needing a little work at her topline, but a different horse!
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my question, what is a hack...?
the answer?
The outstanding characteristics of the show hack are his grace, elegance and perfect manners. Quality is most important. Besides all these attributes the top-class show hack has that magical characteristic which is called presence, an impression of superiority hard to define and which compels and holds the attention of judges and spectators alike when the horse enters the ring.
The hack's action must be more spectacular than that of a hunter or riding horse and so the trot should be long and low with the potential to extend and point the toe when asked. The canter provides perhaps the greatest test of a show hack and should be noted for its balance, smoothness and rhythm. This is the proverbial hack canter which champions appear to do naturally.
When judging conformation, the hack must be as near perfect as possible. In eight out of ten cases a true hack will be a pure thoroughbred, although he must not exceed 15hh for the small or 15.3hh for the large class. A good animal should have about 8 inches of bone below the knee and be clean of its limbs with absolutly no unsoundness.
The training of the show hack is vitally important, and will follow along the principles of dressage with the aim that he will carry his rider comfortably and quietly with free forward movement at all times. He must be 100% responsive to the rider's aids and be light on the hands. The hack will be required to walk freely on a loose rein, trot elegantly, strike off into collected canter extending as necessary, and come back quietly with no fuss to stand rock-still when asked. It will be clear that the more time and trouble one takes with the early training of the horse, the nearer perfect the end result is likely to be.
The hack is never asked to gallop in the ring and the individual show must not exceed one and a half minutes. The performance should include a walk, trot, strike off to canter with a simple change of leg, halt and rein-back. The horse will demonstrate his obedience and responsiveness to the aids but there should be no anticipation of the next movement on the part of the horse.
An expert rider will give a show which appears simple but is as technically perfect as possible. Should the horse make a mistake, the rider will cover it up with a fuss and throughout the display will appear so calm and nonchalant that it will seem to be entirely without effort.
The hack classes have been generating a great deal on interest in the last few years, and an abundance of enthusiasm is being shown by breeders, owners and riders of all ages, from children coming up from ponies to the more mature. It is encouraging that one may still be lucky enough to find a good animal unshown at a reasonable price, although obviously once a hack reaches the top of its class it can be very expensive to buy.
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