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Post by tigger123 on Oct 29, 2008 22:51:49 GMT
Id love to get paid for working small ponies in all morning at shows!!
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Post by sweetpea on Nov 7, 2008 6:23:36 GMT
WELL DUDE.KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.THIS YEAR AT A SHOW THIS WOMEN 50 +WAS RIDING A WELSH A.LOOKED A YOUNGISH PONY.THIS WOMEN WAS WAY TO BIG IT LOOKED STUPID.SHE WAS RIDING WITH A WRITE SMUG LOOK ON HER.PEOPLE WERE STARING AT HER THEN.OMG THE PONY CLASPED ON THE FOR WWITH WOMEN STILL ON HER HALF ROLLED.SHE GOT UP AND KICKED IT IN TEMPER.I WAS WILD.TOLD SHOW SECRATRAY.SHE HAD WORDS.THEN OMG THIS WOMEN WAS TAKING IT IN M+M RIDDEN CLASS.ATER 5 MIN SHE CAME OUT SO HOPED THE JUDGE SENT HER OUT.
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Nov 7, 2008 10:34:38 GMT
thin if you small and light you can ride a small m&m, look at katie marriott, riding a section a stallion at HOYS, the overall picture looked good!
think there is only certain riders that can get away with riding ponies.
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Post by bundle on Nov 7, 2008 14:15:56 GMT
A friend of mine was at a show in the summer when a pony humped in the ring and the little girl, who was sitting on one of these ghastly showing saddles fell off. About half an hour later she was walking her horse passed said pony, now being ridden by an adult rider. As she passed the adult rider turned to her and said "hold tight - I am just about to hit this pony" - she answered with one word "Why". the adult rider followed her across the show ring shouting abuse and every time since has made a nasty unnecessary comment to her about only patting ponies and being nice to them!! Adults should not be allowed to ride children's ponies in my view - but of course if it makes these men feel macho - then as Zaza Gabor once said - "of macho I don't think mucho!"
Showing has got completely away from it's Mission Statement - bring back children's ponies for children. (big sigh - enough said!)
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Post by jennaclare on Nov 7, 2008 14:17:29 GMT
i aggre with above but think when a pony is naughty they sometimes do need an adult rider on, iv done it myself for my novice sister when her (my) ponies have been naughty
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Post by superwoman on Nov 7, 2008 17:04:08 GMT
i agree with you lulu its a shame when you deserve to win and then get beten by something that a rider justs sits on and looks pretty. i think that it is great that some children wont let anyone else ride their ponies as it theirs and are actually doing the work them selves.
it is wrong that a adult/big sis has to get a lr/fr to warm it up as the pony should be safe to plonk a little rider on it and go straingt ionto a class. eventhough i have said that i agree with flagmountmolly08 if a pony is being naughty it wont kill them just to get on it for 10mins WHEN you are at home to sort it out for the child.
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Post by buttercup1 on Nov 8, 2008 7:49:42 GMT
Oh dear superwoman - "sort out" - probably not the best expression but that might just be me! The best time to deal with a problem is in the moment when the animal at least has some idea what it has done wrong. If the jockey hasn't done it then half an hour later is too late. the pony doesn't think - oh I am being hit for that thing I did earlier today (at least I don't think they do?).
At home, it may be appropriate to school a pony for a small child but setting it up at a show is not - just my opinion but it appears I am not alone - thank goodness. I understand that in SJ adult riders are not allowed so I do wonder why showing are so lapse.
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Post by huni85 on Dec 3, 2008 15:05:53 GMT
"who was sitting on one of these ghastly showing saddles fell off" quote bundle
take it you cant ride in one of these saddle then??
was the little girl on a stallion? personally think if she was thats a big risk!
buttercup - i agree that half an hour late is too late to correct the pony but....who says it wont happen again??
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Post by EmmaR CouldntBBotherdTLogin on Dec 7, 2008 3:12:52 GMT
Well i am 14 so not an adult but i am 5ft7ish and weigh about 10stone so build wise i am like an adult.
I was riding a 13.3 welshXarab and i loved her, i didnt look to big on her or anything. I prefer smaller horses/ponies, give me a 13.2 over a 16.2 anyday!
As for adults riding 'childrens' ponies before a show, there could be a reason behind this, such as the child is still quite new to showing or doesnt like the busyness of the warmup ring??
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Post by guestey on Dec 9, 2008 10:04:30 GMT
This is such a silly argument, surely if adults are SMALL ENOUGH why on earth not school and work in little childrens ponies, these are show ponies and, I will say unfortunately, but the ones who are bright are normally the ones with sparkle and look at me who win in the show ring but are not slugs for very novicey children. What about all the small breed m and m's, 99% of the top ones are shown by adults, many of these go on to be great childrens ponies.
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Post by morwenstowstud on Dec 15, 2008 2:42:28 GMT
This is such a silly argument, surely if adults are SMALL ENOUGH why on earth not school and work in little childrens ponies, these are show ponies and, I will say unfortunately, but the ones who are bright are normally the ones with sparkle and look at me who win in the show ring but are not slugs for very novicey children. What about all the small breed m and m's, 99% of the top ones are shown by adults, many of these go on to be great childrens ponies. Maybe that problem is that judges don't want to see true LR/FR ponies. They want pretty over sane. Shouldn't a true LR be just that? A pony suitable for a child on a LR not just a pretty pony on the end of a LR? The same goes for FR. If a pony has to be worn out by an adult before it's safe for a child to get on, then it's not a true child pony, and surely that's what the classes should be about? If a pony has too much 'sparkle' for a child, then maybe it should be competing in open classes. I'm a small adult, I ride ponies, but I've never worked my daughters ponies in for her. If she can't work it in herself then she shouldn't be in the ring on it. You say the ponies that win are not slugs for novicey children but if a pony is in FR then that's just what it should be. A pony suitable as a childs first ridden pony. If it's nuts then it shouldn't be a FR. It's a shame that looks come above true suitability. |
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Post by bundle on Dec 15, 2008 9:18:08 GMT
Re huni-85 - No I cannot ride comfortably on one of these saddles - not sure what your point is? I can see that showing saddles for the main part do not give a child much to sit in to - the suade ones are designed to help and sticky bum jods but I have seen very small children sent in to Cradle and Nursery Stakes in these saddles and I don't think it is fair on them.
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Post by bunny on Dec 15, 2008 12:26:49 GMT
What is 'one of these saddles'
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Post by diadem on Dec 15, 2008 13:10:29 GMT
I like old fashioned half panel saddles  |
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Post by morwenstowstud on Dec 15, 2008 23:35:11 GMT
I like old fashioned half panel saddles We do too. We bought a modern suede saddle, and it's been on a pony once. My daughter just can't get on with it. I wpould sell it but I can't....it's a palomino saddle to match my pally boy lol. I didn't have it made, just a lucky find, but it's not to everyones taste  |
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Post by bowditchblobs on Dec 15, 2008 23:37:10 GMT
Thats probably what bundle meant!!! I cant ride in a half panel to save my life!!!
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Dec 16, 2008 10:31:24 GMT
whats a half panel? sorry to sound so thick.
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Post by asset2004 on Dec 16, 2008 12:18:16 GMT
I'm an adult and I ride ponies. Nothing wrong with that, I'm only small, and don't weigh very much.
I am more concerned about the fat heavy children who are riding ponies because they are the correct age to ride it.
Also I do MGA and my ponies are extremely fit, well schooled and love racing. There's nothing wrong with adults riding ponies as long as they are the correct size.
I see large adults/ parents warming up show ponies at shows and I don't think that that is correct as that is to tire out the pony before it does a FR class.
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Post by diadem on Dec 16, 2008 16:36:26 GMT
That what peeps are getting at Asset, the working in stuff.
They are the old fashioned showing saddles that are unforgiving as there is no support/knee roll, very sparse design but soo elegant and simple.
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Post by squirly on Dec 17, 2008 17:24:39 GMT
how does anyone expect a 11hh lead rein pony to be warmed up by a 3 year old child, or do you just expect the leader to run round for 15 minutes on foot instead of riding.
even the safest of ponies need warming up, i know some peple take it a bit too far, but even a lead rein pony should be warmed up for at least 15 mins.
half of the adult/teenage riders you see these days, are hardly ever over 8 stone,
as for the M&m's- well my 25 year old 11hh sec A can carry 10stone plus saddle- ears still forward and moving well
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Post by jemsyd on Mar 25, 2009 19:57:38 GMT
This is in the wrong forum guys.
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Post by ShowPonies&Shetlands on Mar 28, 2009 20:03:15 GMT
i agree that childrens ponies are CHILDRENS ponies, BUT at my local riding school there was an absolute b**tard of a horse that was about 12.2, called Squirrel. he ALWAYS bucked and napped, and played around, but because i think the owners were friends with the riding school people, they had to keep him (the riding school was loaning him). anyway, one day he was napping and playing up, and scaring the kid that was on him, and he wouldn't walk in a circle. so the lady who owned the school, who is very light and quite short, but very strong, got on him, cantered him in a circle, and trotted him around the arena for a while, then circled him again. every time he napped, she would circle him and tell him off, and when the child got on, he was very meek and behaved for the rest of the lesson. sadly he didn't totally learn his lesson and by the end of the year, he went back to his owners.
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Post by ellieraga on Mar 30, 2009 7:54:22 GMT
i believe a TRUE CHILDS PONY is not a childs pony if it has to be worked in by someone else, maybe a couple more weeks at home schooling maybe needed before going out competing
i think its why these genuine first ridden ponies are so diffucult to find, i definitley would not buy one that needed working in by an adult before putting the child on.
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Post by sarah00000 on Mar 30, 2009 19:38:48 GMT
Showing rules are VERY lapse in these things. Under British Dressage rules, no-one can ride in for you. You may only warm-up in the bit you are competing in and no side-reins/lunging etc allowed. Only by the shows setting these rules, will anything change.
I agree, first ridden ponies, should def not be warmed up by others. A true first ridden could come out of the lorry and go in the ring, without even a warm-up. Sorry to be SMUG but we have one.
I also agree, nothing wrong with adults riding ponies. My section A firmly believes she is 16'2 and wont have a bar of little poeple riding her off the lead-rein. Totally ignores them. Goes like a superstar for a bigger child or adult and has a whale of a time. Never a back problem and absolutely loves it. Dressagee/xc/sj/galloping the lot. She is not a FIRST RIDDEN by any stretch of the imagination....despite being 11'3!
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Post by sweetsweetpea on Mar 31, 2009 16:44:35 GMT
how does anyone expect a 11hh lead rein pony to be warmed up by a 3 year old child, or do you just expect the leader to run round for 15 minutes on foot instead of riding. even the safest of ponies need warming up, i know some peple take it a bit too far, but even a lead rein pony should be warmed up for at least 15 mins. half of the adult/teenage riders you see these days, are hardly ever over 8 stone, as for the M&m's- well my 25 year old 11hh sec A can carry 10stone plus saddle- ears still forward and moving well Totally agree |
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Post by myhorselizzie on Apr 1, 2009 12:16:40 GMT
I think it depends to be fair. If You're small enough then yehh i suppose its ok. The pony should always be ridden fairly though. Im 15, so not quite an adult but i ride a 12hh section a (chunky type) and i dont look overly big on him. As long as the pony is comfortable to carry the weight its fine.
Also, not all of these ponies are childrens ponys! Just cos there small does not make them well behvaded and a childs pony! Some ponies need a firmer hand, and thats when i think teenagers and small adults should be allowed to ride ponies. If theres a pony that can make it to the top but doesnt have the rider ie. small child not really competant enough, then i think then its also acceptable for teenagers and small adults.
Ive seen a few over the top riders on ponys though. When i went jumping in the big class (jumps almost 4ft!) there was a little grey, about 15hh, although looked smaller but only know due to class being a class for 15hh and over, being ridden by a must have been 6ft, if not taller man! He looked ridicolous and actually tipped the pony over in the jump off going round a tight bend! However he was very considerate to the pony in his riding he was just too big!
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Post by missy09 on Apr 1, 2009 16:11:16 GMT
I think it's wrong seeing adults or even large teenagers flattening the poor little ponies at shows. It's so hard to find a decent small jockey these days that can actually ride a young pony, that's not by any means naughty, just young and inexperienced, because there's too many adults getting on the ponies rather than teaching the kids how to actually ride them.
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Post by try on Apr 3, 2009 8:45:23 GMT
how about if you have two ponies whose classes follow on at some shows then?? My daughter could be in the ring on her shetland and her other pony is in the next class and needs warming up or working in so who do i get to work it in if i dont do it myself? It's very easy to make a statement about what "should" happen, sometimes life cant be perfect!!!
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Post by cheekychops on Apr 4, 2009 20:54:28 GMT
Hmmm. Ive just sold a 12hh sec a. Beautiful pony. Little buggar! Not a childs pony. Brilliant small adults pony. Very successful with an adult, hated being ridden by kids. Small doesnt mean tolerant or patient. It means small. Bugger is bugger and needs confident bossy rider and they dont make kids like they used to...........ive got one of them aswell that rides. Unfortunately the health and safety aspect of riding means sometimes there is no choice but to flatten the little buggers!
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Post by myhorselizzie on Apr 5, 2009 12:35:09 GMT
Its not flattenning them if they can carry the weight. I like to stand by the old rule.. you look after your horses ill look after mine!
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