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Post by sweetsweetpea on Apr 5, 2009 21:49:36 GMT
Sorry i think the point of the thread is being lost entirely unless im missing the point ?!
most show p/lr/ fr etc need working in by an small adult before shows there is absolutely nothing wrong in that . Do all the people on this thread go to county shows ? Because sometimes there is so much going on they do need working in! Also how do you expect a three/ four yr old to work in a pony? Fair enough it should be a childs pony and not be dangerous but they can all be a little sharp now and again .
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Post by lfurniss25 on Apr 6, 2009 21:38:11 GMT
ive worked in ponies from lr to 14hh for the same ppl forim 8 years,im 25 only 4'11 and 81/2 stone i can get away with it,ponies arnt robots and defo need 'squaring up' now and then. childrens ponies have to start somewhere and at a young age in which they start their showing career they need that extra confidence of an older/adult rider at shows  |
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Post by welshwizard on Apr 12, 2009 22:12:38 GMT
I hate it when you see adults working in first riddens and then then child jumpping on it the going in the ring i dont think this is right.
i also HATE see childen going in the frist ridden classes and then ALSO going in the lead rain and winning this is not far on the little lead rains that can not ride on there own.
There should be rules like this at PUK and BSPS
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Post by tafsmum on Apr 17, 2009 14:13:12 GMT
I think its ridiculous that adults compete on childrens ponies? How on earth are children supposed to compete with adults who are more experienced stronger and know the tricks of the trade whether the pony can carry them or not?? I'm not against them working them in at home but showing against them is absured.
A young girl at my old yard had a lovely sec b but was always up against adults so never gets the true results she should.
Its easy pickings if you ask me
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Post by shelleyj on Apr 17, 2009 15:04:50 GMT
depends on the child and pony really, our daughter was doing opens from the age of 8, frequently beating adults, so I don't think you can generalise too much - and other children were also competing in opens and still do.
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Post by morwenstowstud on Apr 18, 2009 3:44:35 GMT
If juniors are unhappy competing against adults in M&M classes, then maybe they should stick to junior classes. Open classes are just that...open, and if there is no rider age restriction, and an adult can ride a pony, then why shouldn't they? Ponies, particularly M&M's are not just for children. Weren't most of our natives bred to carry adults originally?
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Post by Amy Basnett X on Apr 23, 2009 9:27:59 GMT
i did the complete opposite and competed in a novice horse wh class on my dads horse who is 16 .2 clyds x and i had the steward come up to me and say you do now that the other ADULT competitors arnt happy competing against you so for those who say adults can compete against juniors on what ever breed of pony then why cant juniors compete against seniors in open horse classes it is rediculase if you ask me
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Post by starrider on Apr 23, 2009 10:33:53 GMT
IMHO - and only going from my own experiences - some of the kids out there ride much better than some adults - I am in the unfortunate situation that being small I look rediculous on anything over 15hh, however due to my age to ride anything other than an M & M I would have to ride a 15.2 and over in most cases. M & M's were originally bred for the working world and therefore teenagers and adults. I don't think we should assume that because a rider is an adult that they know the 'tricks of the trade' as some children out there have been riding since they day dot and could teach us all a few things about ringcraft. I agree that a first ridden or lead rein pony shouldn't be worked in for hours just to make it safe for a smaller rider, however there are always circumstances as mentioned in earlier posts, where the pony needs working in. Don't think there will ever be a happy medium for everybody |
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Post by kayjayem on Apr 23, 2009 19:25:49 GMT
One of the funniest sights we ever saw at a show was a lead rein mum complete with pretty ponies LR outfit with skirt hitched up round her waist showing her M&S finest complete with navy tights and shoes, riding an obviously highly charged lead rein pony with the small child walking at the side holding the lead rein! We did think of offering her a bit of advice that she had got it the wrong way round but were laughing so much we couldn't have if we'd tried
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Post by Amy Basnett X on Apr 24, 2009 8:25:21 GMT
haha o dear some people x
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Post by brindlerainbow on Apr 24, 2009 15:03:21 GMT
I think it is fine for adults to show ponies, it shows the versatility of our native breeds!! There are some very good young jockies around that do ride better than adults and I don't think that their age is against them in an open class. If there is no age restriction in the class then children and adults should expect to compete against each other. I also think it is ok for an adult to work a sp/lr/fr before a class for a small jockey just to take the edge off it if the pony is a little bit on it's toes due to the buzzy atmosphere of a show. A tiny jockey can easily lose confidence if the pony is just a little sharp due to noise, hustle and bustle etc. I don't think it makes it any less of a childs pony. All ponies are different and there are plenty that im sure are ridden in by their little jockies before the class.
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Post by dizzydora on Apr 28, 2009 13:25:58 GMT
I saw a little FR pony being ridden by a guy that was way too big for it at the weekend & the show organisers asked him to get off it and to find someone a suitable size for it to work it in, quite right to. I have no objection to older people who are the right size for the animal working it in but when they are clearly way too big for it i dont think it should be allowed.
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Post by ponymum on Apr 28, 2009 13:32:07 GMT
At North of England show, my daughter and one other (who had to get off as pony was very fresh) were the only children who worked in their ponies, even the big winning childrens ponies were worked in by adults ....
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Post by nativeponies on May 4, 2009 16:08:31 GMT
I agree first ridden and lead reins should not rquire working in by adults. Theyre not kids ponies. I am 5ft 5 and 7 stone and i ride all our ponies through winter i only hack them out as i get told off if i school them, but without me riding they wouldnt get ridden over winter and would be un fit for the kids and their crazy rides out at the weekends, not doing pulled muscles etc, our ponies range from 11.3 to 13 hands and they all carry me nicely, i am tiny though. Can i get this clear though..ponies MANY years ago were bred to carry farmers/adults yes on that i agree, however look back through time and you will find the adults were also much smaller and lighter than the average adult now, the ponies were bred to carry them first and show second, alot of ponies now do not have the bone or substance needed to carry heavier adults,farmers were tiny and certainly not overweight back in the days of ponies being used for work, oh how things have changed and i for 1 get sick of hearing people say they were bred to carry adults!!! adults 100 years ago yes, adults 2009 no!! (or the majority of them!!)
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Post by tabbyx on Jan 16, 2010 19:10:52 GMT
also my sister used to ride my lead rein/first ridden pony in for me when i had her as she could be quite sharp and i have always been small for my age. in my last 2 years on her i think my sister warmed her up twice for me and only because we were running late. my section A will be ridden round the bsps area shows next year to get him used to being ridden at shows, i don't think he'll be a problem as last year we were at Berkeley show were he won his class and before i took him in the parade we were stood next to a massive tractor with a baby in a pram and hounds coming out of the ring and he didn't bat an eyelid. but i don't want to scare his very young jockey so i'll be getting him used to the atmosphere. i don't think it's wrong for a small adult to be riding a pony round a show when it's not competing as having an older rider on it gives it the chance to learn that shows aren't scary without scaring young jockeys.
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Post by specialboy on Jan 18, 2010 10:30:08 GMT
i agree i think its fine for adults to ride little ponies as long as they look good on them (not to big) as some people shows sec as and bs (some people want little ponies as they are small enough) i am 18 years and under 5ft and 6st 5 and i would like to buy a sec b as i dont look to big... however i dont agree that lead reins should do first ridden too...
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Post by sageandonion on Jan 20, 2010 15:27:34 GMT
I just wonder, why do you breed mini thoroughbreds for children? Surely it would be better to breed ponies of rather more placid natures for children.
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Post by specialboy on Jan 25, 2010 10:38:16 GMT
thats what i think:)
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Post by tabbyx on Nov 3, 2010 19:56:10 GMT
i would never put our lead rein jockies on to work in, it's not fair on them,the working in areas are so often chaos and it would terrify them. the pony wouldn't bat an eyelid, but as i compete him i feel it's fine for me to work him in,as i broke him and schooled him. i was riding in a shetland this year for his tiny first ridden jockey and i was later riding him in the open m&ms. i am only 5ft1 and 7 stone so i can ride the small ponies, i am also only 14 aswell. i'm quite happy to work ride fr and 12.2 ponies if they need it,better to be safe than sorry is what i feel.
i've jumped 2ft on a novice pony in a fylde hayden with my knees over the front! and pony overjumped and still stayed on. i prefer small ponies,they are far more fun.
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