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Post by full a ridden results on Jul 8, 2007 7:01:17 GMT
Does anyone have 1-3 in the Section A Olympia's , Picton and intermediate please.
I know Chetwynd Casper 1st and qual in Olympia and I THINK Llania Pikachu was 2nd in both the other classes? Can anyone help with the rest?
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Post by runshaw on Jul 8, 2007 8:02:40 GMT
I've been told that Sunwillow Jubilee won the Picton, the Intermediate and was 3rd in the Olympia, sorry can't help with other placings.
Just out of interest and this is purely from a breeders point of view.. someone earlier mentioned that the winning Cob did a wrong leg and still won and was appalled by this. my question is does the manners and way of going etc mean more than breed type? From my breeders eyes point of view i would have the best exhibit of its breed type top but am i right in thinking that its not right and that the way they go and are schooled is more important? don't want to start a huge row but am genuinely curious now? Getting back to the A's in hand, having seen the mentioned ponies before i can fully understand why Mr Hyslop would have those 2 superb examples champ and reserve, its each to their own i know but i'll go with that decision, beautiful ponies ;-)
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Post by Want it all on Jul 8, 2007 8:11:31 GMT
IMO Runshaw, at this level they should have both- be true to type, have manners and go impeccably
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Post by runshaw on Jul 8, 2007 8:41:37 GMT
Yep thats fair enough but which has preferance on the final decision would you say? As a ridden class is the ride more important or the breed type being a ridden breed class? Like i say not into riddens but am genuinely interested. If something that oozed breed type etc an was a little naughty was stood against something that was absolutely perfectly schooled yet lacked breed type for whatever reason which would be expected to stand top? I know ideally it should be the perfect example of breed and schooled to perfection but am curious now lol
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Post by notafan on Jul 8, 2007 8:42:02 GMT
Just a little surprised to hear chetwynd casper got the sec a olympia ticket.... its a nice little jumping pony but surely not the best example of a section A ?! Which other A's were there please ?
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Post by A fan on Jul 8, 2007 9:23:35 GMT
Were West Wind and the Yaverland pony there?
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Post by my opinion on Jul 8, 2007 9:29:07 GMT
I've been told that Sunwillow Jubilee won the Picton, the Intermediate and was 3rd in the Olympia, sorry can't help with other placings. Just out of interest and this is purely from a breeders point of view.. someone earlier mentioned that the winning Cob did a wrong leg and still won and was appalled by this. my question is does the manners and way of going etc mean more than breed type? From my breeders eyes point of view i would have the best exhibit of its breed type top but am i right in thinking that its not right and that the way they go and are schooled is more important? don't want to start a huge row but am genuinely curious now? Getting back to the A's in hand, having seen the mentioned ponies before i can fully understand why Mr Hyslop would have those 2 superb examples champ and reserve, its each to their own i know but i'll go with that decision, beautiful ponies ;-) They should of done in hand then and not ridden, it should be a good example I admit, but if it is going to Olympia and plays up or wrong legs it or whatever, then onlookers at Olympia will not be too pleased or impressed. Remember they are representing the Welsh in a Ridden class. Surely if a Olympia pony cant get the right leg lead - whatever next. No one seems to complain about the qualifers who do not slip up. FACT. There were plenty of typey ponies that went pefectly.
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Post by sec on Jul 8, 2007 10:49:44 GMT
4. A judge should not judge and physically himself/herself exhibit in Welsh Sections at the same show.
taken from WPCS website
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Post by runshaw on Jul 8, 2007 11:05:32 GMT
So way of going on a whole holds more desirability than breed type in the riddens? notafan, that maybe answers your question aswell, maybe Chetwynd Caspar was the better schooled pony in the ring even if not felt to be the best example of his breed?
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Post by novice on Jul 8, 2007 11:16:42 GMT
I've been told that Sunwillow Jubilee won the Picton, the Intermediate and was 3rd in the Olympia, surely the pictons are for a novice pony ....not one that is contending Intermediates and Olympias Thats not giving true novices a chance at the Final !
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Post by ickelford on Jul 8, 2007 11:29:45 GMT
So way of going on a whole holds more desirability than breed type in the riddens? notafan, that maybe answers your question aswell, maybe Chetwynd Caspar was the better schooled pony in the ring even if not felt to be the best example of his breed? runshaw, on the whole, yes way of going accounts for more than breed type, although breed type is very influential in most affiliated M&M classes these days. For example, in RIHS, HOYS and all BSPS champs classes the marks are split equally - 50/50 - which is different from the show/hunter pony classes in which marks are split 60/40 so way of going is more influential. But in the case of joint marks, the way of going mark WILL take precedence over the conformation mark. Afterall, these are RIDDEN classes and not in-hand. If you were to judge a ridden class as if it were a breed type class, you would find yourself to be a very unpopular judge. What is the point in spending hours schooling a pony if it didn't really matter too much how it went anyway? People don't generally breed ponies just to look nice, they should have a purpose and be able to ridden. Showing is about correct schooling, and if the pony does not perform correctly, such a wrong leg, then in a ridden class, this should be penalised (I'm not referring to anything at Northleach yesterday, I was not there so can not comment, I'm talking generally here) I do agree with you that breed type must not go ignored and there are some worrying deviations from breed standards being seen, but perhaps if you just wish to see perfect examples of breeds then I suggest you stick to in-hand showing. Just my opinion, if I sound harsh then I don't mean to, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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Post by Jubilee fan on Jul 8, 2007 12:25:40 GMT
surely the pictons are for a novice pony ....not one that is contending Intermediates and Olympias Thats not giving true novices a chance at the Final ! Whats a true novice? A pony who won an open NPS Affiliated Ridden M & M? A pony who has never qualified for Olympia / HOYS or RIHS? A pony who has never qualified for Novice/Intermediate Ridden M & M final at Malvern? A pony who has not won any Ridden mixed M&M classification before 1st January in the current year? A pony new to a field or activity? A pony in its first season under saddle? A pony that has been broken in for less than 12 months? A 5yo pony? I think in any version of any rules that define a novice that Jubilee is one. Just had a look at his website: www.amilas-stud.co.uk/squid.htm For a young pony he has been pushed pretty hard though, averaging 2 shows a month since Jan 07
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Post by PEBBLE on Jul 8, 2007 13:03:12 GMT
2 SHOWS A MONTH that is nothing and is good for a young pony
You should really mind your own business and get on with producing your own, you have no idea what you are talking about.
I do not know this pony or the owners and have never clapped eyes on this pony, but, for someone to moralize on a web site like this about how much a pony should and can do, is ridiculous.
may be their ponies don't go out enough that is why they are not winning
sorry to be so up in arms, but i have never heard anything so bitter!!!!!!!!
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Post by runshaw on Jul 8, 2007 13:12:53 GMT
Cobweb, no offence taken what so ever. I only have inhand ponies, for no other reason than no small jockeys around to ride ponies that i simply will not sell, but i breed the old type Section A which are capable of and proving to be of a type and temperament to do the job of work hence my curiousity. Thank you very much for your explanation makes sense and what i was looking for so thanks again for explainig so well. By the way i have no gripes about each chosen discipline and in an ideal world it would be fabulous to see the perfect pony stood top of the line in hand and ridden and finely tuned accordingly but at least i understand it all better now rather than sat here pondering on what people want/need ;-) As for Jubilee i love this little stallion and have yet to see him ridden in the flesh but know he's a faulous inhand pony with a magnificent CV, being true to type and a superb specimen of his breed. Lets hope that he is special enough to be able to get the magic formulation and be a fantastic example of his breed and with time highly schooled enough to please both sides of the 'fence'. He's only a baby and i'm sure like many there is much better to come and i look forward to following his future both inhand and under saddle
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Post by 4fun on Jul 8, 2007 13:26:08 GMT
Novice guest what is your problem. I get upset when people say our pony isn't a novice as he has had a couple of successful years in first ridden before going on to do open. Last year my daughter was often told 'he is more of an open pony'. Now in her last year of first ridden she is also contesting opens with him. She has qualified him for the picton and she is also contesting HOYs and Olympias. Why not? he will be sold this year as he will be too small for her next year, why should she only be allowed to do the Picton final and not aim for HOYs and Olympia?
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Post by WELSHFAN GUEST on Jul 8, 2007 13:56:54 GMT
Really agree with notafan Chetwynd Caspar may go well but just is not a true Section A I would challenge people to recognise him as one if her was turned out in a mixed group of ponies could you put your hand on your heart and say I'd pick that out as a Section A and a good example of it type?
Not bit*hing just concerned that the breed show chooses such a pony when there must have been much more typey ponies in the class for Olympia breed type has to be kept to.
Anyone have the full results for the Olympia and Picton for B's and C's? Thanks
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Post by ickelford on Jul 8, 2007 14:02:38 GMT
Also agree that C. Caspar isn't a great example of his breed although there is no doubting how well he goes, however pony and rider seem to do consistently well so must be something I always miss Interesting to hear that the reserve was the Rosemarche pony - a completely different type altogether!
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Post by Jubilee fan on Jul 8, 2007 14:15:11 GMT
PEBBLE I think you should read my post again. I was sticking up for the pony and his novice status. He has been pushed quite hard but I also know this pony thrives on it and that this is partly why he is able to contest and win in Open classes even though he is just a novice . I am far from bitter read my posting name!
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Post by Well Done on Jul 8, 2007 14:37:43 GMT
Can I just say, I dont why there is a duscussion about the cob, we watched all the sec D classes, and the winning cob DID NOT, i will repeat just incase there is any missunderstanding, DID NOT go on the wrong leg. We taped most of the ridden D classes, (and yes we doubled checked its show after reading on here) it did not go on the wrong leg, not in his individual show or the Qualification championship. Having shown under the D judge a couple of times, I can confirm she is very strict on manners and correct way of going, in her position I really cant see her putting through a horse on a wrong leg The champion and reserve were both lovely cobs, they both deserved their wins. I just think its great a 'new face' and a lovely cob is going through. (Yes I am jealous, I would have loved my horse to win but thats showing for you!)
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Post by PEBBLE on Jul 8, 2007 15:23:50 GMT
SO SO SORRY jubilee fan, yes, i got the wrong end of the stick ( would not be the first time)
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Post by who on Jul 8, 2007 17:28:40 GMT
Who won the picton D - ?? was it nice??
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Post by fan on Jul 8, 2007 17:55:04 GMT
agree cobweb. Casper and Rosmarche Huckleberry are completely different types. The little grey a went brilliantly and should have won the class. its such a showman whereas casper is just a nice pony!
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Post by who on Jul 8, 2007 18:05:22 GMT
I think you are being very harsh on Tori and Casper - at the end of the day the 'Judge' chose them to win - hence get the ticket and i think that is fab for all involved - why slate him - when it was the judge who decided
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Post by blackknight nli on Jul 8, 2007 18:56:41 GMT
thanks Aimee. We are thrilled that Chaz got his Olympia ticket in the C's, not expected at all. Big WELL DONE to Lisa and Family for qualifying Gly....im so pleased for you all and you deserved it. Lady Vesty also did a fantastic job 'Novice' i think you will find that not only is the C Olympia qualifier a novice and a holder of a Picton qual so is the D stallion....why single out Jubilee? The rules clearly state they are eligible and if they are ready for opens, why not??! I know that Jubilee has up until recently been running out with his mares and only came in to compete the nite before Lincoln...he is having a varied schedule and thrives on it.
Sec C results that i can remember: stallion/geld 1st and ch Maenan Captain Corelli Tawelfan Red Robin ( sorry Fiona is spelt incorrect) Peasedown Perfect Poseur Drogheda Pearly King
Mares: 1st and res Blaincilla Actress Synod Rufflette
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Post by any on Jul 8, 2007 18:59:24 GMT
thanks Aimee. We are thrilled that Chaz got his Olympia ticket in the C's, not expected at all. nothing against your C, well done for qualifying but i thought you were very brave competing under a friend
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Post by blackknight on Jul 8, 2007 19:08:48 GMT
You must have me mistaken with someone else, who do you think i am?? I CERTAINLY DONOT know this judge, have no connections to him, his ponies or the stud....what are you implying? Anyone who overheard his comments to me will know he had no idea who either me or the pony was, his breedding or anything about us before he awarded us the class. How dare you try and smear a genuine clean honest win....i work bloody hard to get results and there is not a judge out there that will do me any favours- what i achieve is through doing my homework on judge types, hard work, no sociale life and sheer dedication, im not paid to do it so we fund it all our selves. The only link i had with Waxwing stud is that Mr Blair qualified him for HOYS- is that now a 'fix' too? Success breeds jealousy, dont waste it on my results. You wont dampen our spirits, we are going to OLYMPIA, live with it!!
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Post by who on Jul 8, 2007 19:10:13 GMT
Well done Nicky - the waxwing stud really like the C you where riding hey both tickets off same stud!!!! - i thought it was spelt Drogeda - NOT Drogheda!!
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Post by who on Jul 8, 2007 19:14:18 GMT
OMG that hit a nerve - me thinks she protests too much ps i wrote my last post before i read the prevous - lol
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Post by any on Jul 8, 2007 19:16:50 GMT
OMG that hit a nerve - me thinks she protests too much quote] indeed she wasn't pleased. nicky i have nothing against you or your C just thought you were brave
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Post by blackknight on Jul 8, 2007 19:23:50 GMT
you are probably write about the spelling Im not important enough to class the likes of Waxwing as my 'friends'.....if only !! Im interested, do you not think from observations that my pony is their 'type' then? Im sure he judged what he saw on the day, my pony has no history to go by and im not a producer...you would all of moaned if he judged faces so when he didnt, thats wrong too....I protest because its offensive to imply that the qualification was given on false grounds You obviously seem to think you know me VERY well to know who my 'friends' are so call me or reveal your identity and PM me.
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