you have to wonder....
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Post by you have to wonder.... on Mar 21, 2015 19:07:29 GMT
You have to wonder though about the morals of those who actively support a twice convicted animal abuser :/ under what realms is animal abuse EVER accepted ? :/
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Post by just as bad on Mar 21, 2015 19:10:10 GMT
How sad do I feel when I see my friends on FB supporting this man and in the same breath they are posting pics and videos of animal abuse to highlight the plight !! I am honestly hand on my heart confused by there thought process I think alot are confused. DH is telling them he desperately wants to secure his lines. Yet so many people have come forward to help him secure those so called valuable lines. The RSPCA is working closely with the Dartmoor Society to keep the lines. He isn't telling anyone that!! BUT he is asking for money to help fund him!! He also hasn't highlighted the fact they have abused the 52 cats leaving them in appalling living conditions. He is covering so much up and deceiving people as to what has gone on! I don't think Jennifer Saunders did sign the petition as my friends daughter contacted her and gave her the real story. In fact my friends daughter flooded twitter so people knew the real truth instead of the lies and deceit that is being thrown around. Its not fair on the honest people who are believing him! Yes the page was taken down from FB obviously scared of the real truth coming out! He is basically like one of those men you see trying to scam OAP's out of there life savings. It is so very wrong and someone needs to stop him from receiving money from good people who think they are helping DH and his parents are prolific animal abusers END of no matter how he sugar coats it. AND the people who are supporting him are also animal abusers in my eyes
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Post by beyond belief on Mar 21, 2015 19:28:14 GMT
I think if we look at face book most of the supporter of this legally convicted animal abuser will never really be known by Hinde. So a concern is that the people who are supporting him are saying he has done nothing wrong, he hasn't tortured animals by not providing for their most basic needs for food and water , he hasn't murdered horses in the most depraved manner and two Judges that have heard both sides of the story with full evidence of both sides and are on the side with the prosecution are wrong. But these followers believe that Hinde is speaking the absolute truth. I am confused how one can plead guilty to animal abuse but then say your not guilty? So I do agree with Liza re Judges who applaud what he has done, clap hands and are in a state of glee that he is not in prison and collude with the manner in which his pony's have suffered and been in a painful horrific state ending in death. As for his "friends" on face book Im sure I will never use the producers or professionals who are supporting a convicted criminal, whatever the crime. I personally feel I have a morality where I do not mix with any sort of abuser child animal burglar murderer and that is my personal choice. Hinde will never judge again so no one needs to suck up for a red rosette now do they.
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Post by Misled on Mar 21, 2015 21:42:16 GMT
I confess to signing the original petition ( not friends with DH - but came up on Twitter) and was very convincing / misleading, as it only told half a story. More fool me signing! I then did some research as was appalled by what the petition reported - this poor man I thought. Was shocked by then what I read and wished to retract my "signature " and report petition as being misleading. Petition had disappeared - most odd, perhaps someone reported it?? Now feel very very uncomfortable and annoyed with myself. I
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Post by just as bad on Mar 21, 2015 21:51:37 GMT
Yes Mislead A lot of people reported it for misleading so it was taken down and rightly so. Dont be annoyed with yourself. You are not in the wrong here for believing everything you read. It happens to the best of us.
I think his fb page needs reporting for trying to get money out of people. Does anyone know where this money will be spent? Apart from the obvious. I mean what is he telling people ?
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stunned and very worried!
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Post by stunned and very worried! on Mar 21, 2015 21:52:07 GMT
Don't beat yourself up about signing the petition Misled, the petition was deliberately worded in such a way as to make people believe they were signing to help save an endangered bloodline, nowhere did it say that by signing the petition you were supporting a twice convicted animal abuser, had it said that, I doubt Hinde would have got even a fraction of the signatures it got! The petition was removed due to numerous complaints about it deliberately misleading people. Hinde isn't good with the truth, in fact he wouldn't know it if it came up and bit him on the ass, so it's no surprise th petition writeup was far from truthful!
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Post by LizaRakovic on Mar 21, 2015 22:07:29 GMT
Misled, I am quite sure you are not alone and you should not feel bad for falling for it.
My concern is there are Top judges, big name competitors and horse magazine reporters on his fb pages saying "how awful for you" "chin up" and "go David"... These people know him well, for years. I mixed with him as a judge and through involvements with NPS with my husband. I am sure like me they always found him very charming....
Now if he was still awaiting trial and there were no d**ning pictures he would be " innocent until proven guilty " I could accept their standpoint just about....
But he has been convicted now twice... There are pictures of horrific suffering...the judge this time even said messages found on his mobile were very d**ning.... So how in the name of all things Holy can anyone still be supporting him....Wrong Wrong Wrong! I am so pleased I no longer mix in those circles... I am not sure I could stomach crossing their paths.
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Post by Bewildered! on Mar 21, 2015 23:24:59 GMT
Do you know what arguments this man is using to defend the neglect of the ponies? I can't work out from the fb page! Is he blaming someone else? I can't believe the number of high profile people supporting him! Beggars belief that they believe him over a court of law that found him guilty!
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Post by Stunned and very worried! on Mar 21, 2015 23:52:24 GMT
Bewildered, for the death of the pony Fred from which he has been found guilty of neglect and failing to meet his needs, Hinde claims he didn't own the pony and that he wasn't responsible for it and that Fred was nothing o so with him but I think we all know noone would get prosecuted for a pony that has been severely neglected but which has nothing to do with you as it would be like me getting prosecuted for your ponies! His argument is ridiculous and holds no water, particularly when the District Judge stated that Hindes own mobile phone contained very incriminating evidence linking him to Fred! The man is a liar and has been proven to be so twice now in two separate court cases with two separate judges and two separate jury's, and please bear in mind, his previous conviction would not have been disclosed to the jury at the second trial until after they had found him guilty of the second set of charges.
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Post by enraged on Mar 22, 2015 0:22:22 GMT
I also cannot believe how he has any supporters but there are a lot of people on fb who do not support him. I for one posted on his page and he removed my comment. Any negative comments he removes which makes people think he is only getting positive comments so his story must be right.
Also. I think the people who have enabled him to buy other ponies, either by purchasing them for him or transporting them to him, after his first ban, should also be prosecuted.
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Post by Bewildered on Mar 22, 2015 8:28:55 GMT
Thanks for the clarification! Quite a few of my friends on fb have positively commented on his wall. I am so shocked and not sure what to think of these people now! Mr DH is obviously a very convincing person but thank god the court saw through it! A lifetime ban should have been served. I wonder what devious ways he will find now to keep the ponies!
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Post by springtimes on Mar 22, 2015 11:05:23 GMT
I decided not to come on as a "guest" but as myself a Dartmoor breeder for nearly 30yrs who knows the importance of the bloodlines only to well as I have mares with them and although the original petition implied most of the gene pool was at the stud that is only because of the amount of mares there, the lines can be kept alive by other breeders keeping just one or two descendants, a lot of my friends who previously owned some of these ponies have offered homes to them some of the older broodmares are in their 20's and could have retirement retirement homes for life but with no joy. Granted no-one can dispute the stud has been extremely successful but it saddens me also that friends are saying well done even after 2 bans in as many years even the RSPCA aren't that clever they can prosecute and win twice. I did suggest to him on his facebook page he should rehome the ponies while he still could not once but twice and he wants to wait and see how things go!!!! if these ponies are lost to the RSPCA there will only be one person to blame and certainly not the DPS or the people offering homes
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Post by roxy93 on Mar 23, 2015 12:15:51 GMT
I signed petition when i hadn't read into it not going to lie, i felt sorry to read that RSCPA were doing it as we all know at a lot of time the rspca are more than bloody useless!! So i thought why are they doing this to a family. When it all flared up and started to see pictures of suffered ponies i was like woah i have signed to save this man and family, luckily the petition was took down so names didn't count in the end. Since i have seen both sides i cant help but now get really annoyed when i see his post slagging rspca and calling his innocence and the amount of people who he has behind him, yes i admit at first i was blind didn't see both sides but are these people choosing to ignore the truth or are they not believing it?? I couldn't give a s*** that he is a judge i am not going to suck up to him to stay on good side for a higher place as i doubt he will ever judge again. I have also noticed this morning i seen a a page called David hinde the truth.. It has now gone so people must have asked for this page to be removed..I no longer feel sorry for the family or ponies I feel sorry for all his ponies that will be took to rspca as he has such beautiful ponies, i have seen people offering to take them to have them before they are taken and he is saying no..WHY!! if i was in his predicament i would be letting the ponies go to good homes and be cared for.
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Post by Amazed on Mar 23, 2015 14:47:43 GMT
This man is guilty of cruelty to both ponies and cats! He has been found guilty twice in a court of law of causing unnecessary suffering. Why is there anyone supporting him in any way. He needs to never be able to have animals in his care ever again. It cost the Dartmoor Pony Society thousands of pounds to distance themselves from him so they are keeping well out of it! Because ponies that he bred have been very successful in the show ring is no excuse or a reason for any admiration whatsoever. He has 21 days to find new homes for the ponies...... he needs to get on and allow people to have them without strings attached, the only stipulation is that they are guaranteed good homes. The bloodlines are out there belonging to a variety of breeders. "Con Man" is the best way of describing him, he has conned some very nice, decent people into believing the nonsense that spouts from him on a daily basis!!
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Post by Guest 1 on Mar 23, 2015 15:34:51 GMT
If David hinde had fed his own ponies they would have survived then he wouldn't have had to worry about the valuable rare bloodlines being lost !!
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Post by soap box on Mar 23, 2015 18:33:24 GMT
THE MAN PLEADED GUILTY.....why are so many people trying to defend him.... THE QUESTION WAS ASKED....GUILDTY OR NOT GUILTY...HE ANSWERED GUILTY.... What don't people understand about that word....
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Post by soap box on Mar 23, 2015 18:47:33 GMT
A couple of days ago, a young lady was defending Hinde, and she stated that the pony called Fred was at a livery yard in Preston, who was this.......or was it just a Red Herring....I am from the preston area and I would like to know who this person was, if its tru, this person should has been arrested too....
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Post by just as bad on Mar 23, 2015 23:22:07 GMT
Soap box from what I can gather this lady in Preston was standing for the prosecution against DH.
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Post by Just used people on Mar 24, 2015 0:41:04 GMT
David Hinde used various people in order that he could keep the ponies when he had a ban in place, he transferred some of the ponies into close friends names but then continued to neglect those animals, thereby abusing his friends trust! Without doubt David Hinde owned and was responsible for Fred, the pony in Preston, the knacker mans invoice was found in HIS home, ( why would you be invoiced for the disposal of a pony you've had nothing to do with as Hinde alleges), secondly, the District Judge over seeing this second trial stated that 'substantial incriminating evidence ' was found on Hindes mobile phone! Hinde has been caught hook line and sinker, AGAIN! He should have been banned for life as he will undoubtedly re offend if given the chance to own animals again as he actually thinks he has done nothing wrong and so therefore will carry on as previously!!
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Post by Beyond Belief on Mar 24, 2015 11:13:29 GMT
He is still trying to drum up support for himself .The sad part is people are still pledging their support?? Why would anyone support a person convicted (not once but twice) of cruelty and neglect? As someone else has already stated this band of supporters supposedly included producers and judges……….. I don’t think people that actively support cruelty and neglect of animals should be allowed to judge. I certainly would not send one of my horses to a producer that supports cruelty and neglect. Shame on them.
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Post by SOSORRY on Mar 24, 2015 11:34:12 GMT
YEP I CANT BELIEVE HOW MANY PEOPLE NEVER MIND HIGH PROFILE PEOPLE ARE STILL SUPPORTING oops caps on my daughter in law is a barrister and she tells me that it must have been pretty bad for this sentence and that judges etc have access to info we never can have and now he wants money - what for?
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Stunned and very worried!
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Post by Stunned and very worried! on Mar 24, 2015 15:59:47 GMT
The RSPCA have now released their article with some of the photo`s of the cats, I think everyone would have to agree that they are pretty horrific :-( Here`s the link www.facebook.com/?sk=welcome#!/RSPCA/photos/pcb.10153715957188047/10153715956333047/?type=1&theater and yet STILL his followers continue to support him ! All I can say is that they must be as bad as him to see nothing wrong with what this disgusting, vile human has done to poor innocent animals!
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Post by clifton on Mar 24, 2015 19:21:50 GMT
I have just posted the RSPCA post on my facebook, I cannot believe that 15 people who are on my facebook are also friends on this vile persons facebook page, I wonder if any of them will stick up for him and tell me it is all a mistake
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All about the money
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Post by All about the money on Mar 24, 2015 19:51:03 GMT
Puppy farming - kitty farming same thing surely? I heard from a good source many years ago he folded the northern horse show after receiving £20000 of sponsorship money, I never repeated it, but after reading what I've read I expect there was some truth in it, speaks volumes about his integrity even back then
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not really a friend
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Post by not really a friend on Mar 24, 2015 19:57:07 GMT
I am a 'friend' of David Hinde on Facebook. I, like a lot of other people are friends with him to be nosey about what he is up to and in no way support him. Please do not assume all his 'friends' on social media are really his friends.
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Post by LizaRakovic on Mar 24, 2015 20:04:18 GMT
This is how he has justified and excused himself:
" David Hinde
February 16 ·
To those people that have known me and my parents for many years we ask that the newspaper articles etc that will undoubtedly appear over the next few days etc be viewed with some caution- the RSPCA have hounded this family for over 5 years and will seemingly only be content when we have all succumbed to the pressure they have put on us. I categorically state that the pony in question was not killed by me and and was not neglected by me- the person responsible for the starving of this pony knows who they are............. The family were convicted after our main defence witness was ambushed by the RSPCA- this has resulted in this vulnerable individual being immediately hospitalised. One does wonder how long the RSPCA can continue as a prosecuting authority- Where is Natural Justice?"
And plenty of people believe in this rubbish! Should H&H magazine be employing a reporter who has actively supported this man, would you want to be judged by the judges actively supporting this man (one of whom astonishingly posting that the girls in the video on another thread (as cruel as it was) should be banned from keeping animals!) Would you want to be sat next to the show riders in the ring who have actively been supporting this man???
I don't want to inhabit the same planet personally!
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Post by Philippa on Mar 24, 2015 20:40:32 GMT
This is how he has justified and excused himself: " David Hinde February 16 · To those people that have known me and my parents for many years we ask that the newspaper articles etc that will undoubtedly appear over the next few days etc be viewed with some caution- the RSPCA have hounded this family for over 5 years and will seemingly only be content when we have all succumbed to the pressure they have put on us. I categorically state that the pony in question was not killed by me and and was not neglected by me- the person responsible for the starving of this pony knows who they are............. The family were convicted after our main defence witness was ambushed by the RSPCA- this has resulted in this vulnerable individual being immediately hospitalised. One does wonder how long the RSPCA can continue as a prosecuting authority- Where is Natural Justice?" And plenty of people believe in this rubbish! Should H&H magazine be employing a reporter who has actively supported this man, would you want to be judged by the judges actively supporting this man (one of whom astonishingly posting that the girls in the video on another thread (as cruel as it was) should be banned from keeping animals!) Would you want to be sat next to the show riders in the ring who have actively been supporting this man??? I don't want to inhabit the same planet personally! If it's the case that the pony was starved by someone else would you stand in a witness box under oath and plead guilty? . If this is the case then he has lied under oath surely? I know I wouldn't be standing accepting blame for someone else if I wasn't guilty!!!!!!
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Post by Misled on Mar 24, 2015 21:25:54 GMT
I am a 'friend' of David Hinde on Facebook. I, like a lot of other people are friends with him to be nosey about what he is up to and in no way support him. Please do not assume all his 'friends' on social media are really his friends. You don't have to be fb friends with him to read his profile - it's an open profile. #justsaying
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Post by just as bad on Mar 24, 2015 21:36:45 GMT
No but his friends who are mutual friends of mine are supporting him and liking his comments and commenting with there support! These people then go on to post pics of other animal abuse pics stating how appalled they are that animal abuse goes on!!!
Its his supporters I am really angry with now.
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Post by cantbelieveit on Mar 24, 2015 23:31:54 GMT
I really can't believe the support David Hinde has from people that I respected within the horse world. And they call themselves animal lovers!! An absolute disgrace!!
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