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Post by chalky284 on Apr 10, 2015 7:36:37 GMT
Well said supes, I've read through some of his facebook posts and plenty of people have offered to take ponies but he scolded them accusing them of wanting to take advantage and get a pumphill pony. I thought the RSPCA had the passports and therefore wouldn't it be nigh impossible for him to transfer ownership? Or is he hiding the ponies amongst his friends so they can't be rehomed??
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Post by honeypot on Apr 10, 2015 11:27:56 GMT
Having a passport is not proof of ownership. It is illegal to move an equine without a passport, but how many people have actually ever been stopped? So if the ponies still legally belong to him he can sell them for a £1 as long as the new owner have a receipt its a legal contract, if he has been banned from keeping them he would have to prove to a court they are not in his care, if they were sold to a member of the family or close friend. If the ponies are chipped I do not see how the DPS could stop anyone getting a duplicate passport, passport law is based on EU law I have not read it in full, but I bet there's something in there.
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Post by rosiemay9 on Apr 10, 2015 13:05:16 GMT
well apparently the dps or rscpa said something along lines of they will work with new owners of the ponies to give the passport to new owners, i hope they have all found nice new loving homes now they bloody deserve it.
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Post by honeypot on Apr 10, 2015 16:47:56 GMT
Looking at the sentence at the top of the page, he banned from keeping them but they were not confiscated, so they are still his property, so as long they are not in his care I would imagine he is complying with the sentence. Often they are returned to the owner, depending on the sentence which makes a mockery of it all and I often wonder if there is a better way to improve animal welfare without it ending up in court.
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Post by Dartie fan on Apr 10, 2015 18:41:17 GMT
I have read this thread with intrest. I have followed and seen many stunning Pumphill ponies in the show ring and prior to this had no knowledge of David Hindle.I was on his friends list, purley for the fact that i enjoy seeing all of the results and updates of show results. After googling him I was able to see all of the original cruelty reports and ban. Then all of the recent cruelty of the cats and ponies.I think that David Hindle is living in his own little world of self gratification. He sees no wrong in how his animals have been treated and those who support him by "hiding" his ponies during bans are not much better. Last year there was a young Pumphill stallion Carruso or something like that being sold by his aquantances. Thank God this one got away !! Looks like this is what hes up to again ............. Again back to the original post " why are people supporting a twice convicted crinimal ?" What makes me really cross is that DH hides behind his computer screen, slagging off the RSPCA, while promoting the success of the Pumphill ponies in the show ring. Yes he may have bred these ponies but he sure as hell had nothing to do with their care or the hours and hours of dedicated training that has gone into their training. The owners of his ponies must surely cringe with embarrasment - he seems to thrive in all of their hard work and success from the showring, almost as if to cover up / diminish the fact that he is a serial animal abuser.
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Post by janet on Apr 11, 2015 10:26:28 GMT
I have offered homes to an old mare and a yearling , have offered to pay the going rate, I don't want something for nothing, I have a few Dartmoors and the old pony is closely related to my stallion, I have offered a loving family home, I took in an old rescue pony last year, David has not been forthcoming, I am resigned to the fact that I will not get them as have been trying since September , have now unfriended him from my FB account, it is a very sad state of affairs and the only ones to suffer are the ponies, it breaks my heart that I can do nothing to help them
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Post by oh so happy on Apr 16, 2015 6:42:31 GMT
I see our loving breeder's prefix and his rotten self has now been suspended for 12 years from breeding registered Darties. Hurrah! However the pumphill ponies are not the be all and end all of dartmoors and the question could be begged that with some many high profile judges breeders etc still supporting him did the Pumphill ponies win on merit or for other reasons ;-)
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Post by killqueen on Apr 16, 2015 7:57:31 GMT
I know this is a silly question , David Hinde was 1st in court over a pony that the RSPCA found starving or Dying in his care ? Then the 2nd pony was on full livery at someone elses yard , this pony was meant to be paid for by his father , What I cant understand is why did nobody ie David not go visit this yard to check on the said pony Fred ?? As I see this man deserves everything coming to him , Hope they lock him up to be honest, As for 50 odd cats ,who has that many anyway ,I just hope all the ponies find kind loving homes
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Post by Emma H on Apr 16, 2015 12:40:42 GMT
I have read this thread with intrest. I have followed and seen many stunning Pumphill ponies in the show ring and prior to this had no knowledge of David Hindle.I was on his friends list, purley for the fact that i enjoy seeing all of the results and updates of show results. After googling him I was able to see all of the original cruelty reports and ban. Then all of the recent cruelty of the cats and ponies.I think that David Hindle is living in his own little world of self gratification. He sees no wrong in how his animals have been treated and those who support him by "hiding" his ponies during bans are not much better. Last year there was a young Pumphill stallion Carruso or something like that being sold by his aquantances. Thank God this one got away !! Looks like this is what hes up to again ............. Again back to the original post " why are people supporting a twice convicted crinimal ?" What makes me really cross is that DH hides behind his computer screen, slagging off the RSPCA, while promoting the success of the Pumphill ponies in the show ring. Yes he may have bred these ponies but he sure as hell had nothing to do with their care or the hours and hours of dedicated training that has gone into their training. The owners of his ponies must surely cringe with embarrasment - he seems to thrive in all of their hard work and success from the showring, almost as if to cover up / diminish the fact that he is a serial animal abuser. Dartie Fan - your comments re Caruso have been brought to my attention and I would just like to clarify that Frank has in no way anything to do with Mr Hinde. We purchased him and his mother when he was 4 weeks old, he remaind at our family home until he was 4 when the decision to sell him to peruse a ridden carer was made. We have since had 2 colt foals by one of our stallions from his mother and await the arrival of a full sibling to Frank as we own his father also. I hope this clears up your confusion, we certinatly aren't 'hiding' anything. We are delighted with Franks progress thus far with his new owners who are doing a wonderful job with him and wish them the best of luck for the future.
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Post by kayjayem on Apr 16, 2015 20:47:05 GMT
Such a shame that a nice genuine owner has to justify themselves because their pony carries the pumphill prefix! Sign of the times
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Post by Guestless on Apr 16, 2015 20:55:39 GMT
Such a shame that a nice genuine owner has to justify themselves because their pony carries the pumphill prefix! Sign of the times Indeed, but if it's been posted on here, then you can guarantee that people have been gossiping so at least the owner has been able to come on here and correct the information.
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Post by calerux on Apr 16, 2015 21:25:08 GMT
I see our loving breeder's prefix and his rotten self has now been suspended for 12 years from breeding registered Darties. Hurrah! However the pumphill ponies are not the be all and end all of dartmoors and the question could be begged that with some many high profile judges breeders etc still supporting him did the Pumphill ponies win on merit or for other reasons ;-) Oh so happy, I have to ask have you ever seen any of the Pumphill ponies? Had you have done so you would know that they are quality, true to type ponies who have been judged as such over the years by a multitude of Judges. You are bang out of order to question the integrity of those Judges and be so disrespectful towards their knowledge and experience. Pumphill ponies owned by numerous people have competed successfully around the country under various Judges and in a variety of classes, at all the top championship shows. None of these ponies are owned by David Hinde, so how do you have the audacity to 'beg the question' whether they won on merit or 'for other reasons'? It's quite insulting to the owners & riders who produce, compete and care for them too! Btw, just a minor issue but if you are referring to a breed a capital letter should always be used as in Dartmoor, same goes when using a prefix name as in Pumphill.
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Post by kayjayem on Apr 16, 2015 21:50:45 GMT
Such a shame that a nice genuine owner has to justify themselves because their pony carries the pumphill prefix! Sign of the times Indeed, but if it's been posted on here, then you can guarantee that people have been gossiping so at least the owner has been able to come on here and correct the information. I'm sure they have! That is the point I was making
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Post by supes on Apr 19, 2015 23:56:16 GMT
Hiya, just a quick update with regards to the cats abused/neglected by HInde and his Family - Hinde has got a 12yr ban from the GCCF for the cats...not long enough I don't think but its a start! ;-) .
I am still waiting to hear when his appeal is in Court , but will keep you updated as and when I have details.
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Post by unhappy bunny on Apr 22, 2015 22:19:12 GMT
I was one of the unfortunate people who had a cat from the said DH and now know of many others. None of us have had a straightforward time with them. He hid his cats well in his rather large house and we should have all known better - but yes, we thought we would 'rescue' a cat and it would have a better life with us. All the people I know of have given their cats a better life, however many have ended up with heartache too as the cats have not survived to old age. Mine personally died at the age of two years old. I found out the vaccination card was a forgery after sending it to the vets practice where the cat had allegedly been vaccinated, I also found out that the cat's blood type was not what had been said and paid for - again the blood type documentation had been falsified. I'm sure if I had delved further, the pedigree of my cat would not have been genuine either. Cats that left him had cat flu, ear mites, tf and more from what I have heard. He brought heartache to many a cat owner, but on the plus side - many of those cat owners now breed themselves and are much better people than DH ever was. It has been a hard lesson for them to learn, but a valuable one and made them be a better person.
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Post by Mrs W on Mar 4, 2017 14:08:20 GMT
This is an old post, but I saw this morning that pumphill and Becca ponies are for sale due to mr Raymond hindes ongoing legal battle. Weren't both Mr Hindes banned from keeping/owning horses?
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Post by Mrs W on Mar 4, 2017 14:10:25 GMT
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Post by honeypot on Mar 7, 2017 22:49:48 GMT
He was banned from keeping them not owning them, so he could have put in livery with friends or leased them out.
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