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Post by weekend on Jul 3, 2015 12:31:14 GMT
Any reason why you didn't put in a formal complaint to the show organisers on show day?I would ask the same question if it were so blatant. Also, the non refundable fee - surely there was more than one person unhappy about it, they could all have chipped in. No?? I don't think I would want to loose any money over this but I just wanted to state what I saw with judges favouring people they know and this was the case and it makes showing a sad sport that it has come to placing your friends above animals that are better
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 3, 2015 17:34:59 GMT
Many Judges are confronted with the fact that they may judge 'people' they know. (almost impossible not to, to be honest). FACT. Many times in enormous classes, Judges are confronted with a tight Show time schedule and a Senior Steward who has to adhere to this. FACT. Many times Judges are confronted by super top class animals going very well and others which they would 'love to get their hands on' and improve. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted by very 'typey' animals which go adequately but are not 'produced to perfection' on the day. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted with animals which 'go' beautifully on the day but which, sadly, have a significantly important Conformational defect. FACT. Until you fill those shoes, you really don't know the 'half of it'. FACT!!
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Post by rose tinted specs on Jul 3, 2015 18:05:50 GMT
couldnt agree more Caroline Nelson...very well said
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Post by sad on Jul 3, 2015 19:23:04 GMT
Many Judges are confronted with the fact that they may judge 'people' they know. (almost impossible not to, to be honest). FACT. Many times in enormous classes, Judges are confronted with a tight Show time schedule and a Senior Steward who has to adhere to this. FACT. Many times Judges are confronted by super top class animals going very well and others which they would 'love to get their hands on' and improve. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted by very 'typey' animals which go adequately but are not 'produced to perfection' on the day. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted with animals which 'go' beautifully on the day but which, sadly, have a significantly important Conformational defect. FACT. Until you fill those shoes, you really don't know the 'half of it'. FACT!! Well to be honest judging will always be the same its the face and that is a FACT.
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Post by mary (&^%$ on Jul 3, 2015 20:47:22 GMT
This thread has made interesting reading, but there seems to be no solution to the fact there are facy judges out there, have we HP competitors just got to put up with it when we show, or we just vote with our feet.I know there is one facy judge at Staffordshire this week who I am refusing to go under in the MM HOYS classes. Ha ha have you seen how many entered in these classes ........ This blows your theory right out of the water?
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Post by Mary (&^%$ on Jul 3, 2015 21:06:21 GMT
Many Judges are confronted with the fact that they may judge 'people' they know. (almost impossible not to, to be honest). FACT. Many times in enormous classes, Judges are confronted with a tight Show time schedule and a Senior Steward who has to adhere to this. FACT. Many times Judges are confronted by super top class animals going very well and others which they would 'love to get their hands on' and improve. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted by very 'typey' animals which go adequately but are not 'produced to perfection' on the day. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted with animals which 'go' beautifully on the day but which, sadly, have a significantly important Conformational defect. FACT. Until you fill those shoes, you really don't know the 'half of it'. FACT!! How true is this and everyone has there own opinion x
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Post by Sadly it happens on Jul 3, 2015 21:20:24 GMT
Many Judges are confronted with the fact that they may judge 'people' they know. (almost impossible not to, to be honest). FACT. Many times in enormous classes, Judges are confronted with a tight Show time schedule and a Senior Steward who has to adhere to this. FACT. Many times Judges are confronted by super top class animals going very well and others which they would 'love to get their hands on' and improve. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted by very 'typey' animals which go adequately but are not 'produced to perfection' on the day. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted with animals which 'go' beautifully on the day but which, sadly, have a significantly important Conformational defect. FACT. Until you fill those shoes, you really don't know the 'half of it'. FACT!! Twice this season I have been told who will win a HOYS qualifier FACT First time the tipped pony did a very mediocre show FACT Still got highest ride mark by far and won FACT 2nd time I was unable to attend so didnt see the performance but said pony won FACT So please don't be patronising and say it doesn't happen because it does FACT!!
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Post by Sadly it happens on Jul 3, 2015 21:31:27 GMT
Many Judges are confronted with the fact that they may judge 'people' they know. (almost impossible not to, to be honest). FACT. Many times in enormous classes, Judges are confronted with a tight Show time schedule and a Senior Steward who has to adhere to this. FACT. Many times Judges are confronted by super top class animals going very well and others which they would 'love to get their hands on' and improve. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted by very 'typey' animals which go adequately but are not 'produced to perfection' on the day. FACT. Many times, Judges are confronted with animals which 'go' beautifully on the day but which, sadly, have a significantly important Conformational defect. FACT. Until you fill those shoes, you really don't know the 'half of it'. FACT!! Twice this season I have been told who will win a HOYS qualifier FACT First time the tipped pony did a very mediocre show FACT Still got highest ride mark by far and won FACT 2nd time I was unable to attend so didnt see the performance but said pony won FACT So please don't be patronising and say it doesn't happen because it does FACT!!
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Post by Vote with feet? on Jul 3, 2015 21:41:20 GMT
If you feel so passionate about showing and then coming across these bad judges.... Why don't you all get together and vote with your feet??? Surely If everyone refused to come under said judges then entries will be significantly lower then surely show secretaries and societies will refuse to use these judges again?
Also why don't you all get together and write a complaint / open letter to the show societies??? I'm sure if it started affecting £££££ for the societies and shows then surely something will be done???
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Post by viking on Jul 4, 2015 9:10:54 GMT
I get the feeling that until classes are judged by laser and computer no one will be satisfied, and in the happy event of computer generated judging results, I then expect to read that the computer has been hacked!
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Post by honeypot on Jul 4, 2015 10:18:40 GMT
I am sure most judges want to do the best job they can, but whilst there is no scrutiny of the results its open to abuse. For smaller shows there isn't the time or the money but the big qualifiers where people pay a lot to enter and the results can affect the ponies value tremendously, the results should be collated and patterns scrutinised, that is what computer data bases are for. I would not be surprised if there is someone with a spread sheet who can predate the results as rumoured. It may be that that the winner is the best pony on the day, it may be that the owners black book has worked out which judges like their pony, but what if it is a case of you scratch my back I'll scratch yours, or every thing may be absolutely fair. Then if you think there is a problem a stipendiary steward goes out and monitors the classes, or judges are called to talk it over with the governing body or if there is no problem you have the data and revue to prove it. We have all been to Championships and wondered how the animal got there, yes on the day the performance may be off or someone else has qualified it and sold the ride but when a pony way below the standard, how did it get there?
In most sports there is review of judges, you do not just get your ticket and that's it. It shouldn't be left for someone to complain, showing societies should know what is going on in their name and have the information and audit facilities to prove that all is fair. You shouldn't have to prove abuse of the system before something is done.
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Post by comanchediva on Jul 4, 2015 12:04:11 GMT
At the Fell society breed show all ponies are measured on the showground before classes start and all are checked for false hair as per breed society rules, there's certainly some different looking ponies in the classes compared to what they look like the rest of the season! I can't imagine it would work with the volume of horses at other big shows but works for the fells! This isn't quite accurate, all inhand mares and geldings aged between 4 and 7 are measured at the breed show and other ponies may be randomly measured throughout the day. So I suppose potentially an overheight pony could take the ticket in the HOYS qualifier as the HOYS ponies probably won't be in those inhand classes. All ponies aged 3 and over are measured at the stallion and colt show, though. And there's no way of getting round it as you can't have your back number until you've been measured!!
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Post by sageandonionagain on Jul 4, 2015 12:37:54 GMT
I know we have judges on this site and there has been some input to this thread from one or two. Do we have anyone from the societies prepared to comment? Go on, I bet you are having a look! Perhaps advise people how they can go about having complaints looked at officially.
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Post by jakkibag on Jul 4, 2015 12:53:01 GMT
We did the Hoys qual at the breed show with a 10 yr old gelding Commachediva, all ponies were being measured! Xx
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 4, 2015 14:45:01 GMT
I know we have judges on this site and there has been some input to this thread from one or two. Do we have anyone from the societies prepared to comment? Go on, I bet you are having a look! Perhaps advise people how they can go about having complaints looked at officially. Briefly, I am one of the two more 'Senior' Judges whom you've highlighted. We are both (deeply) "Society" based, with an indelibly strong allegiance to our relevant Societies - for which we have voluntarily given YEARS of time, energy expertise and emotion. I am sure my friend and colleague JB will concur with this, or I would not have written it. "Having complaints looked at " is another matter altogether. Complaints come in various guises. I have had some levelled against me and I don't mind breaking silence to discuss them with a wider audience! One, a few years ago was a 'verbal' - As a ring steward I was encouraging competitors in a huge class to space out in line for SAFETY - one competitor with a particularly highly strung animal refused to move, blaming another competitor's animal. I was at the end of some verbal abuse from the person in charge of the animal and I understood later from people at the ringside that a connection was accusing me of 'getting at' their charge. Indeed, an irate person ran into the ring and told me, at horribly close range, exactly what they thought of me for (I presume) simply asking their animal to be moved to a place of safety. Safety first? And, I took some flak recently (ref: WHP) on two separate occasions at two separate venues - for simply advising WH competitors that 'back boots' & bandages are not allowed either in the ring or the collecting ring under Society rules. The latter two 'verbals' (one person told me in no uncertain terms to 'get off their case'!) were from those who, very simply, had not, as we Judges have to, digested the relevant, current Rule Book. Qualified Judges for every Society have to attend a 'CPD' course a minimum of every three years. And are rigourously assessed in the first instance, before a period of acting as a 'probationer' judge with a specified number of senior judges over a season, actually in the show ring. Stewards too, have a briefing (mostly H&S) prior to each show and are expected to understand their full list of duties. You'll notice that I haven't mentioned the rude words 'cheating' and 'bent' judges. Simply, I don't subscribe to that school of thought, sorry. In reality, does it exist to the extent that some would maintain? Or is it just that the "green-eyed monster" has raised it's seasonal head??
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Post by sarahp on Jul 4, 2015 15:00:09 GMT
Just a ring steward/safety anecdote. Some years ago I was showing a D filly in a mixed sex D youngstock class and was called into line next to a very hysterical and not totally under control 3yo colt so I left a big gap between us, considering it safer. The ring steward asked me to move closer, and I replied that I was unwilling to as I thought my filly was upsetting the colt (she wasn't doing anything to do so apart from her sex, but I believe in being polite). When the colt had done his manic show, steward muttered to me soto voce in passing "I see what you mean" and earned my abiding respect both for not making me move, and the later remark. Stewards have a difficult job, need eyes in the backs and sides of their heads, are normally trying to be as helpful as they can to competitors and surely the least we can do is be polite?
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Post by honeypot on Jul 4, 2015 16:34:30 GMT
Caroline I respect the depth of your knowledge and I am sure that you go out of you way to be open and honest in your judgements but you have to accept there may be people that may not be like you. I my professional capacity my conduct is open to review, by anyone, and in the 30 years I have done my job I have never worked with anyone that I have not thought fit to practice. In the last year I took on a new job, and found out that someone I am working with who is not professional, is biased, bulling to other colleagues and basically full of bull**t but has managed to fool outsiders and people just leave to get away from her so the process continues. The chances are anyone no one in their right mind would cross swords with you, or show any bias in front of you, but people like that do exist. The bad guys do not all look like wolves, they can come with tweed skirts and sensible shoes, couch unpleasant things in soft voices, and have smooth replies so superficial enquiries, and of course would never own up to doing anything wrong, in fact they may not realise that what they are doing is wrong its so ingrained. Scrutiny is not bully judges, its making things as transparent and saying we will try to make things as fair as possible where ever or whom ever you are judged.Looking at entries, results an who was judging and looking for trends could help spot the blatant bias. A super pony that does well under several judges is obviously a knock out but ponies owned or produced by one owner doing well under only certain judges would warrant further investigation. It is not nice to find out that someone who held in respect by others is actually is not actually fit to do the job they do, but the rock has to be lifted.
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Post by viking on Jul 4, 2015 17:49:04 GMT
I am very much afraid that the dissenting voice will always be heard from results of showing classes until the day the human element and preference is removed from judging. There will always be someone with a gripe, however many adjudicators and safe guards are put in place.
AS far as I am concerned the judges decision is final, and the place to grumble is in the lorry going home.
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Post by the showing register on Jul 4, 2015 17:56:56 GMT
Sageandonionagain TSR has posted on this thread I think on the first page. We have been following it of course and we are regular contributors to various discussions. Our judges selection process is rigorous and to go on the HOYS panel you have to take a second assessment in a live situation having been on our O panel for more than 2 years. However what is being talked about on here has nothing to do with assessment it is all to do with perception and integrity. Perception is very important - if you are a main sponsor at a show you should not show in classes at that show not that it breaks any rules but the perception to other competitors is poor. If you show regularly in a class you should consider if again you can be scrupulously fair to your fellow competitors if you turn round and judge them the next week again the perception.
Tit for tat judging does occur and is not always intended but again the perception of facey judging or helping friends hangs over the result the answer is not to do it at all however much it might mean turning down a HOYS judging appointment or leaving your pony at home.In this Facebook age nothing goes unseen.
An earlier poster suggested that now everything is held on a data base it is possible to track marks and trends this possibly is the way forward as a pony that all season scores under 30 marks suddenly is awarded 48 then pehaps that judge should be asked what they saw in that pony to award the high mark.As a judge I would relish the chance to say why I think a pony should be awarded a certain mark but in many cases judges do hide behind the marks as nothing ever has to be verbally substantiated.
I think the BSPS were responsible for bringing in marking in the first place but they are now universally used and I personally would like to see a column for comments and perhaps an overview on the tannoy as competitors are so often left in the dark over why a mark was awarded. Marking was supposed to have ironed out problems such as are aired on this thread but actually they can make it easier as judges do not have to speak to their co judge just give the mark.
Perhaps I have gone off the point a bit but be assured if anyone writes to TSR we will respond and take the process through to conclusion. No whitewashing we promise ! I urge anyone with a genuine complaint to write to Grandstand Media as the HOYS Q classes are their series and this is where most of the problem seems to be.I am quite sure they will not sweep it under the carpet if it is substantiated.
Wendy
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Post by Ted ted on Jul 4, 2015 23:15:28 GMT
I think one way forward would be for judges to have a set criteria in their marking , for example if a horse wrong legs it, it may be one judges opinion to take away 10 marks where another might just cut the Mark strait in half to 25 some judges work from 0 up to 50 some from 50 down if they all had to Mark accordingly ie, wrong leg -20 wrong diagonal massive pet hate of mine -5 and so on ..... I mean this may not work but just throwing an idea . Another idea of putting judges off giving faces high ride marks rather than marking the true way of going would be they have to hold their scores up on borers in the ring for everyone to see. I don't believe people should be competing in their section if they are judging at any point that year where there are qualifiers such as hoys Olympia rihs .just throwing some suggestions out there
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Post by newdalestud on Jul 5, 2015 8:06:30 GMT
Sageandonionagain TSR has posted on this thread I think on the first page. We have been following it of course and we are regular contributors to various discussions. Our judges selection process is rigorous and to go on the HOYS panel you have to take a second assessment in a live situation having been on our O panel for more than 2 years. However what is being talked about on here has nothing to do with assessment it is all to do with perception and integrity. Perception is very important - if you are a main sponsor at a show you should not show in classes at that show not that it breaks any rules but the perception to other competitors is poor. If you show regularly in a class you should consider if again you can be scrupulously fair to your fellow competitors if you turn round and judge them the next week again the perception. Tit for tat judging does occur and is not always intended but again the perception of facey judging or helping friends hangs over the result the answer is not to do it at all however much it might mean turning down a HOYS judging appointment or leaving your pony at home.In this Facebook age nothing goes unseen. An earlier poster suggested that now everything is held on a data base it is possible to track marks and trends this possibly is the way forward as a pony that all season scores under 30 marks suddenly is awarded 48 then pehaps that judge should be asked what they saw in that pony to award the high mark.As a judge I would relish the chance to say why I think a pony should be awarded a certain mark but in many cases judges do hide behind the marks as nothing ever has to be verbally substantiated. I think the BSPS were responsible for bringing in marking in the first place but they are now universally used and I personally would like to see a column for comments and perhaps an overview on the tannoy as competitors are so often left in the dark over why a mark was awarded. Marking was supposed to have ironed out problems such as are aired on this thread but actually they can make it easier as judges do not have to speak to their co judge just give the mark. Perhaps I have gone off the point a bit but be assured if anyone writes to TSR we will respond and take the process through to conclusion. No whitewashing we promise ! I urge anyone with a genuine complaint to write to Grandstand Media as the HOYS Q classes are their series and this is where most of the problem seems to be.I am quite sure they will not sweep it under the carpet if it is substantiated. Wendy Very well said Wendy! Your ideas for marking are what iv been saying all along! I'd love to have some feed back good or bad! How can anyone improve if we don't know what we are supposed to be working on!
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Post by volatis on Jul 5, 2015 8:32:46 GMT
Thank you Wendy. I have already mentioned earlier in this thread that as HOYS we are always keeping an eye on trends and judges and we have in the past had to remove judges from the HOYS panel as their conduct was not what was expected of a judge at that level or any level. But very very few people are ever prepared to put their concerns or complaints in writing to me, and I will not investigate claims based on a whim or just feeling hard done by. Competitors complain anonymously often, on social media, but there needs to be some facts presented , otherwise what is there to investigate?
I also do attend a few shows during the season where I can, and watch the qualifiers to see if the judging appears fair and above board, but what you see from the ringside may not be what the judge can see close up. What one person perceives as fair judging, another may feel hard done by.
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Post by viking on Jul 5, 2015 9:23:02 GMT
Thank you Wendy. I have already mentioned earlier in this thread that as HOYS we are always keeping an eye on trends and judges and we have in the past had to remove judges from the HOYS panel as their conduct was not what was expected of a judge at that level or any level. But very very few people are ever prepared to put their concerns or complaints in writing to me, and I will not investigate claims based on a whim or just feeling hard done by. Competitors complain anonymously often, on social media, but there needs to be some facts presented , otherwise what is there to investigate? I also do attend a few shows during the season where I can, and watch the qualifiers to see if the judging appears fair and above board, but what you see from the ringside may not be what the judge can see close up. What one person perceives as fair judging, another may feel hard done by. Well said.
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Post by Spinonit on Jul 5, 2015 10:14:17 GMT
Can I add another side to this situation...
Sponsors !!
I know from a recent situation were it was spoken that as a sponsor they would almost guarantee a decent result!!....
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Certain shows look after their sponsors, it's well known if the sponsor pays to sponsor one or more classes/ sections.... They get it in return of placings / championships...
The proof IS in the pudding ... Just look at last years results n see who sponsored.... Who's turn next ....
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 5, 2015 11:09:34 GMT
Can I add another side to this situation... Sponsors !! I know from a recent situation were it was spoken that as a sponsor they would almost guarantee a decent result!!.... To Certain shows look after their sponsors, it's well known if the sponsor pays to sponsor one or more classes/ sections.... They get it in return of placings / championships... The proof IS in the pudding ... Just look at last years results n see who sponsored.... Who's turn next .... Please don't put kind, generous, genuine folk off sponsoring. Those of us to whom the onerous, embarrassing task falls, to raise sponsorship for events are just SO grateful to them for their generosity. Many have absolutely no connection with the event, the competition or the competitors but simply understand the need to 'keep the show on the road'. An alternative would be to have no sponsorship, no rosettes, exorbitantly high entry fees . . . . need I go on? Do you truly believe that a show organiser will have the TIME? to give the 'heads up' that the connections of no. 123 in class xyz has sponsored to the tune of xxx£££'s and so must be 'looked after'? Many don't even have time to attend the show /event but feel the need to 'put their bit back'. Maybe I'm blinkered or wear the rose tinted spectacles. But I've been around in this 'trade' that we love for a very long time now and am acutely aware that the halcyon days of 'money' being in existence in associations, organisations and societies are long gone. Are you all griping about one particular 'association' /society / show or is this a general grizzle fully across all the disciplines of showing? Because it seems that the majority of gripes on this forum pertain to ?two (in particular) echelons of showing. Ref: "Marks". As I said to a lovely scribe steward just a week or so ago, for all that we've been using 'marks' for some considerable while now, it is still a case of translating in your head, with speed, your opinion of an animal on the day, into a figure. I had a scribe steward the other month who was unbelievably inpatient and kept demanding 'your mark madam, your mark madam' - which actually cut into that very thought process. And, I'm decisive and I'm not slow. How many of you bid at auction? Similar snap, purposeful decisions have to be made. Shopping - consider that you might really like - say - a dress or a pair of shoes which someone else might find 'hideous'. And vice-versa. It works lots of ways.
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Post by the showing register on Jul 5, 2015 12:49:18 GMT
Everyone has huge respect for your opinions Caroline and the fact you come to this forum and say it exactly as you see it is huge credit to you. Shows are reliant on sponsorship and sponsors must be nurtured but unfortunately if a big sponsor puts in several thousand pounds the PERCEPTION amongst Exhibitors is that they may have had some influence in the choice of judges. I dont think this applies for one minute to smaller donations.
This is why we are leaning towards seeing if there would be any appetite for a voluntary code of conduct which would apply to Judges , show organizers and exhibitors to try and improve the perception and transparency of showing and make this type of discussion obsolete. (rather a vain hope !)
Wendy
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 5, 2015 13:52:48 GMT
Thank you, Wendy-on-behalf-of-TSR. Seriously, I appreciate your kind comments. Periodically, I think I must be nuts to 'come on here and say it how it is'.
Sign me up to any 'voluntary' "code of Conduct". I do "voluntary" for the showing world on a daily basis. That's probably why I'm about skint - and perpetually tired!
However, I thought we already committed ourselves to a 'code of conduct' befitting our duties (as judges) when signing the re-application form for each relevant Society/Association on an Annual basis.
Again 'seriously' - have we gone too far down the wrong road here? Do some of the 'modern' competitors expect success without working for it as hard as some others do?
Sadly, my answer is a 'yes'.
In this push-button 'instant' world in which we live, (did it all start with the toaster, the TV remote zapper or the camera in the phone??) it would be great if others could have the perception of 'insight' and REALLY see themselves as others do - and really study those ever-increasing clips which will exist on phones & tablets from a loyal parent/OH - who only films their animal doing it's party piece so, the comparison with others isn't available . . .
Gosh, judging, blink and you're a baddie - you daren't even scratch your nose (or anywhere else) these days for fear of being accused of 'not watching my show' . . ."I've got it on my phone that you weren't!".
Off the subject of sponsors or even judges, back to competitors. So, how many competitors do their homework not only before the class, but IN - during the class. eg: standing the animal up in hand. A couple of months ago at a big show, I was judging on undulating ground. Which way the animals were posed made a big difference to how they could be viewed.
To make it easy for them, I selected the most favourable ground and some [some, a real minority] took the hint. But, inevitably, some wandered out of line (these were Breeding classes feeding into a Cuddy Q) and plonked their animal in some sort of a halt. Their question? "Where would you like me to stand?" - me, (in answer) - 'as the others have done, head up this way onto the best ground' . Them - BLANK LOOK.
I rest my case.
Much of the time, it is little wonder that the winners win!
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Jul 5, 2015 14:38:56 GMT
When you show, you are asking for one or possibly two peoples opinion of your animal. If you don't agree with it, either don't come under that judge again, or look at how you can improve for next time. I honestly believe that whilst there may be an odd backhander which goes on here or there, (the complaint happens regardless of what you show) - on the whole judges judge whatis in front of them, not the face of who is on board/handling. Some judges I steward too I totally agree with their judging, others I don't, although I can usually follow them once I have been in the ring with them for a couple of classes.- that is not because I know more/less than them, just because we like different things. By its nature showing is subjective and emotive. Also success breeds success - a combination who are doing well will on the whole give off an aura of confidence that probably is not quite there with a newer combination, or a combination that maybe are getting knocked a little bit as that also undermines their confidence. I like the idea of judges being asked to give their reasons - certainly this happens at the bigger shows in cattle classes, but on the other hand I think that this may potentially put people off coming forward to judge. I would suggest to competitors that they should take time out to steward as it gives you a real insight into judging., and a totally different perspective. If you want a 100% level playing field! I am afraid showing is not for you, go showjumping!
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Post by sarahp on Jul 5, 2015 14:58:15 GMT
Or if you don't jump, do dressage. Still to some extent a matter of opinion I grant you, but marked in very small chunks and consistently throughout a class. Your marks sheet gives you lots of helpful feedback too. And, Caroline Nelson, writers very soon learn to wait for the judge to give the mark - it is entirely possible to watch a competitor riding one movement while thinking about the mark for the previous one. It's up to the writer to keep up to speed with the judge, not vice versa!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 5, 2015 15:12:03 GMT
Totally agree SarahP. If my steward is called away I can carry ponies marks in my memory - and will always have a quick check along the line on the animal/s concerned for a re-cap, if needs be.
Unfortunately, this particular person did seem very stressed that day. As it's a role I undertake too, I'm fully with you on this one! One's own 'stresses' simply cannot be conveyed to one's 'senior'!
Imagine a Theatre nurse / worse, (for me!!) a Dental Nurse, having a 'bad day at the office . . . . !
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