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Post by sunny day on May 15, 2007 18:30:49 GMT
Your telling me "yes" there was a lack of quality in the other winners you must be joking. The shetland and highland qualified for Olympia and Hoys last year. The section B won Winsdor the year before and has had a prolific career to date. The section D that was second has also been to Olympia and Hoys. The Connie that was second has also been to Hoys and Olympia so I am not sure what planet your on.
All of the above could have been champion and deserved a place at the final.
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Post by yes on May 15, 2007 18:33:28 GMT
but a good grey conni which was going very well with good conformation would stand out in a class espescially if it was good enought to be by champion, so what you are say is as a judge the way of going round with the other does not matter in a class, so why is it they all have to go round together. In show pony class that we do they are mostly bay and the judges cope fine.
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Post by Watcher on May 15, 2007 19:01:24 GMT
Your telling me "yes" there was a lack of quality in the other winners you must be joking. The shetland and highland qualified for Olympia and Hoys last year. The section B won Winsdor the year before and has had a prolific career to date. The section D that was second has also been to Olympia and Hoys. The Connie that was second has also been to Hoys and Olympia so I am not sure what planet your on. All of the above could have been champion and deserved a place at the final. I am sorry but just becasue a pony has been to HOYS or Olympia does not mean it had good conformation......... Im not naming ponies or making a particular reference to a particular pony, but the conformation was not of a very high standard. A very good friend of mine who has judged Olympia, the conformation section, said they were shocked at some of the ponies forward. not refereing to blemishes, but actual faults, like curbs, club foots, behind the knee, plaiting, dishing!!!! ponies going too wide behind etc etc I really dont expect ponies to be perfect at all, but I personaly will accept some faults over others, but I do not buy the statement ' it has been to olympia or HOYS or won here and there', to me it means nothing in terms of conformation......it certainly does not mean a pony has the best conformation or better then most just because it has qualified. That is just my opinion.
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Post by I agree on May 15, 2007 19:03:49 GMT
I must admit i agree with "yes"... Not to notice a pony on the go round and then to not even pull it, bing it up to win and then call it champion is weird! How did she miss such an outstanding pony that was to be her champion on the go round? Not saying that it wasn't a nice pony... but there was other nice ponies int here that she did not miss, how do those people feel?
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Post by was there on May 15, 2007 19:07:31 GMT
Very simple, it's difficult to make the riders out on the go round. With that rider aboard and that judge it was always going to win.
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Post by I agree on May 15, 2007 19:13:51 GMT
I agree, I must admit I did want to say that but did not... glad you did!!! I'm afraid it must be that reason... pretty sad though!
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Post by yes on May 15, 2007 19:16:21 GMT
sunny day you should get your facts right about ponies and what they have won, the classes were full of ponies which have been to hoys and olympia and even won there so what is your point in your statement?
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Post by I agree on May 15, 2007 19:20:27 GMT
And just because there were ponies in there that had not won at hoys and olympia or been there etc doesn't mean that there was lack of quality. It's because of facey judges always taking the safe option or the "facey" option that we are ALWAYS seeing the same people winning and going to hoys etc!!!!
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Post by jumpstart on May 15, 2007 19:29:28 GMT
And just because there were ponies in there that had not won at hoys and olympia or been there etc doesn't mean that there was lack of quality. It's because of facey judges always taking the safe option or the "facey" option that we are ALWAYS seeing the same people winning and going to hoys etc!!!! So if a face enters the ring with a pony with the whole package and their pony goes brilliantly are you saying that they should not qualify then. Oh well lets have a home produced Olympia.
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Post by I agree on May 15, 2007 19:34:15 GMT
"no jumpstart" I am not sayig that at all but we can all name atleast one time when a "face's" pony has not gone as well as others but they have gone forward to HOYs or Olympia!! Sad but true. It doesn't matter who goes as long as the pony is a good representative of its breed, sometimes however, this is not the case!
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Post by jumpstart on May 15, 2007 19:41:30 GMT
I do agree with you that there have been some put forward that should not be there, but not all faces get there because of this.
Here are some imo that deserve to be there face or not.
Pittybeck Prince Charming Castle Ri Castle Comet Gove of Whitefield Stowbrook Jenny Wren. Kilmanan Black Velvet Felimore Triple Crown Slaypits Black Magic pent the Judge. Kentchurch Request Starcrest Discovery
and there are a lot more.
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Post by woof on May 15, 2007 20:11:12 GMT
This is all very interesting but as usual it's all cloak and dagger, if you are going to make insinuations about people and ponies under a false name at least have the courage to say which ponies in your opinion have only got to HOYS or Olympia because of a Face!!! I for one would love to see the list!!!
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Post by petty on May 15, 2007 20:14:37 GMT
AArgh this topic is really starting to drag on.
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Post by Enthusiast on May 15, 2007 20:40:40 GMT
Come on, this is just going off topic & about to get personal again. Is this the start of things to come, as we are only at the beginning of the season & the 2nd Olympia Qualifier.
There are lots of worthy champions out there, if we have got to the stage were we draw up lists of quality ponies then lets just have a photograph show because there would be no need for any of us to go to a show. It would certainly make showing far cheaper!
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Post by debby on May 15, 2007 20:45:30 GMT
If there is something so wrong with Hillymead Caprice, then you should front up and say but she won with Sam Darlington up top aswell! She hasn't always won with Jayne up top, but her competition record is superb and very consistant! I for one thinks this is a long overdue ticket.
I think you are all just jealous, at the end of the day she is a lovely type of Connemara and moves aswell. Why the judge didn't see her in the go round who knows, but no one is perfect I suggest you ask her the next time you see her rather than throwing bit*hy coments around.
Windsor was full of super ponies and no one should take away from them their achievments on the day.
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Post by Hendell on May 15, 2007 21:50:14 GMT
Caprice is a good pony and has the best jockey any M&M could wish for on top. She is the jockey to watch and learn from. It is a blessing to M&M showing that she has chosen to participate in Native classes. Come on societies grab her for a "Teach In".
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Post by Best Rider on May 16, 2007 6:52:53 GMT
Saying she is the best rider any M+M could wish for is a bit strong, don't you think? She may ride well but so do: Richard Telford, Aimee (&^%$, Matthew Lawrence, Sam Roberts etc
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Post by lemmie on May 16, 2007 20:29:38 GMT
Jayne Webber is a stunning rider - I may be slightly biased but she does seem to be able to get the most fantastic tune out of most things she rides.
Just picking up on a few small things mention - People always say "Ohh that pony won because so and so who is a producer was riding it", and to be honest that may sometimes be the case BUT I do think that quite often produced ponies win because they are extremely well turned out, they know their job inside-out and more often than not have an amazing rider. Plus if they weren't any good then producers wouldn't waste their time campaigning a pony they know is not good enough - THAT is why we often see producers at the head of the line-up.
Hillymead Caprice went amazingly on Saturday and deserved her ticket, she was in amazing company but really shone, especially in her gallop. Jayne was extremely shocked to be pulled up from about 16th to win the class, but hey from what a heard it was a heck of a good show!
Huge well done for everyone who participated and enjoyed their classes at the weekend!
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Post by Windsor on May 17, 2007 18:21:03 GMT
I'm not being funny and not saying it is a bad pony but if the pony shone so much then why was it not picked up on the go round? Also, she put herself 16th, the judge didnt, she could have put herself twentieth or eleventh etc
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Post by fmm on May 17, 2007 18:38:41 GMT
Ok - you have said you're: 1. Not funny 2. Not saying it is a bad pony
So what exactly ARE you saying?
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Post by Windsor on May 17, 2007 18:43:04 GMT
I am saying if it is such a good pony that shone so much, why was it not picked up on the go round!!!!!
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Post by fmm on May 17, 2007 18:54:31 GMT
I am saying if it is such a good pony that shone so much, why was it not picked up on the go round!!!!! Dunno. You're going to have to ask the judge!
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Post by kilty on May 17, 2007 19:05:23 GMT
Just to add to what Debby said, Hillymead Caprice also did rather well with another rider on board at some shows last year - a young lady who has no connection to M&Ms at all (nor does Jayne, for that matter, she's not on any of the panels and Caprice is the only M&M she produces/rides). She may not be everyone's type of Connie (myself included) but she behaved impeccably and went beautifully on the day.
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Post by back again on May 17, 2007 19:16:11 GMT
Just to medal in this discussion I was in the top few in the m and ms at windsor this year and I came up from the bottom and I am not known so please think of a different excuse to why ponies who DESERVED to come up did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you ever done judging? perhaps everyone on this sight should have a go and perhaps you will realise that judges are only HUMAN!!!!!!!
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Post by Rockstar NLI on May 17, 2007 21:12:35 GMT
On another tack completely, was anyone else disappointed with the total lack of a mention for the M&Ms in the Windsor write-up in H&H this week? also no coloureds mentioned, or appaloosas............
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Post by HH on May 17, 2007 21:15:05 GMT
Spot on Rockstar. you 'll have to wait for Ann nichols report next week.
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Post by haylage on May 17, 2007 21:43:43 GMT
This thread is getting beyond a joke!!!!!!!!!!! We are only on the second qualifier of the year for g*ds sake! will we have to put up with this for the next few months??? is it worth it? Ok you have an opinion, but why oh why all this petty back biting and stabing. I love showing, I love going to the shows and and I am judgeing next week (G*d help me if I get trashed on here) I personaly think this thread has run its course and should be closed now. Excuse any spelling mistakes, I have had a few vodkas.
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Post by Interested Observer on May 17, 2007 21:56:09 GMT
Well all I can say Haylage is "Good Luck" Why anyone would want to judge is beyond me. It is unbelievable that we are only just into the Hoys and Olympia qualifiers, but the sniping and b****ing is a lot worse than last year. If you keep at the vodka, you wont care what anyone says anyway
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Post by GM on May 17, 2007 22:35:44 GMT
Here's something for all you would-be judges out there who are questioning the decision of (in my opinion) a very fair judge who is not afraid to put up a pony that she thinks derserves it regardless of any outside influences... Would you be complaining if it was your pony that had been pulled up from the lower end to qualify? I guess you would have given back your qualifying rosette as you wouldn't feel that it was a fair decision?
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Post by here here on May 17, 2007 22:42:01 GMT
well said!!!!!!!!!!
GM
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