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Post by about time on May 17, 2007 22:50:12 GMT
Well said. Well done to the judge concerned for setting a very good example to all of us and to encourage everyone pulled in down the line to Go For It and try. If you don't succeed at first .... you have a chance.
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Post by clobo121082 on May 18, 2007 9:17:49 GMT
GM i totally agree, anyway aren't people always moaning that judges don't move ponies around enough or reward good performances. Well done to Jinks Bryer for not being afraid to shuffle the order x
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Post by Guestless on May 18, 2007 9:24:55 GMT
I think it's brilliant - and it offers hope to ponies pulled in down the line when their riders are sure they had a good go-round. I think it takes a brave judge to pull a pony up the line so far, particularly in a prestigious qualifier, but I see it as a good thing.
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Post by was there on May 18, 2007 10:00:20 GMT
Sorry but I disagree, I was told as a prob judge be very careful how you pull your line in. Think of the disappointment to the first pulled in pony, what was wrong with it that it got demoted. If a pony catches your eye so much on the go round that you pull it in first in a large class, either it has to do a very poor show, or type and conformation must be inferior to be dropped. Judges can miss a pony, normally you would pull it up the placings but not to be first.
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Post by cheeky on May 18, 2007 11:09:29 GMT
Sorry but I disagree, I was told as a prob judge be very careful how you pull your line in. Think of the disappointment to the first pulled in pony, what was wrong with it that it got demoted. If a pony catches your eye so much on the go round that you pull it in first in a large class, either it has to do a very poor show, or type and conformation must be inferior to be dropped. Judges can miss a pony, normally you would pull it up the placings but not to be first. Not sure about the above, a few years ago i did the coloured ridden final at puk and didnt get pulled in at all, in fact i was on the back line! After all the shows the performance judge pulled me up onto the front line,they then asked the front line to lead off and to cut a long story short won the class and got reserve champ. It was a better feeling than qualifing for HOYS because i thought i was just making up the numbers ! It just goes to prove you should never give up !
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Post by penny clifford on May 18, 2007 11:32:38 GMT
i for one am not afraid to pull a pony up from a low place, i did it at the RIHS in 99 my second placed 14.2 sp came from down the line but it did the most outstanding show
also at puk a few years ago my sister was riding Kilmannan Black Piper and was pulled Last yes a mean last and after a stunning show ( as she had nothing to loose she went out and did a hack show -- the full rein back , stand still to canter and was brought up to 3rd ) out of 50 was not bad going !
so please we judges are only human and sometimes we do miss ponies and some of us have the guts to bring them up the line , is this not better than leaving them were their are and not admitting to anybody that you missed them , for what it is worth i think it is " more bent" to leave them were they were and not bring them up
so please gives us judges a break, i have never met the Windsor Judge but I do know who she is and she is a very knowledgeable person
cheers penny
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Post by Guestless on May 18, 2007 11:39:47 GMT
Sorry but I disagree, I was told as a prob judge be very careful how you pull your line in. Think of the disappointment to the first pulled in pony, what was wrong with it that it got demoted. If a pony catches your eye so much on the go round that you pull it in first in a large class, either it has to do a very poor show, or type and conformation must be inferior to be dropped. Judges can miss a pony, normally you would pull it up the placings but not to be first. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing, but your post is actually saying that if a judge misses a pony in the go round that they should not put it first - that to me is a disgrace and is what makes judges subject to so much criticism. There are always more "judges" outside the ring than in and when there is an obvious winner down the line that the judge is reluctant to put at the top, it makes the judge lose credibility. Granted there will always be cases where the judge sees something that spectators don't, but that's not always the case. Of course it's a disappointment for the pony originally pulled in first, but a delight for whoever was pulled in near the bottom. It's not necessarily a case that the original pony is being dropped, more that the other is being put above it. I also disagree that the top pony has to do a very poor show - there is often little difference between those pulled in the top 6 in a large class, so I have more respect for judges who change the line up around after the shows than those who are scared to offend and keep the line up the same regardless of the quality of the individual show. so please we judges are only human and sometimes we do miss ponies and some of us have the guts to bring them up the line , is this not better than leaving them were their are and not admitting to anybody that you missed them , for what it is worth i think it is " more bent" to leave them were they were and not bring them up I wish we had more judges like you penny!
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Post by welsh on May 18, 2007 12:26:06 GMT
I was pulled right up from about 30th (out of about 50) in a hoys class once to 6th, the ride judge said what a good show can do-made my year!
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Post by blackie on May 18, 2007 12:32:34 GMT
My interest is in the two ponies that got totally dropped out from their good initial pullings, I think it was a good Fell and a great Dales. Any reasons anyone? I couldn't see that they did anything wrong, infact two of the best shows in my eye!
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Post by clobo121082 on May 18, 2007 12:56:49 GMT
oh Penny Clifford that was me at RIHS!!! and that kind of thing is what keeps peoples faith in showing. Last year at windsor i got pulled in 2nd to bottom after I felt i went round very well, anyway my pony did a fab show and I hoped I would go up. Not only did the judge pull me up but she had the guts to pull me right up to win. In a big class like people say judges are only human and ponies do get missed. I wld much prefer to see this happen then what happens in a lot of classes when you are pulled down the line and the marks are worked accordingly ie 1st place gets 56/37 2nd gets 55/36 etc etc some judges assume just as you are down the line the pony has poor confirmation this is so often not the case! Dont get me wrong i can understand how upsetting it is to be pulled in top and dropped for doing nothing and sometimes it wld be nice to get an explanation to why you have been dropped.
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Post by leo on May 18, 2007 13:27:36 GMT
Quite often when i've been pulled from the bottom to the top (not necessarily first, but top 3) of the line, the judge has come up to me and apologised for missing me the first time.
In some of these hoys qualifiers, there maybe 20 black fells galloping round, passing and blocking each other, all with female riders with green tweeds and red ties. I do not blame any judge for missing a pony on the original pull in! Most ponies stand out because of their trot, so saying a judge should be able to judge a pony on walk alone is also unfair i think.
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Post by gh on May 18, 2007 15:59:19 GMT
My pony has been pulled up from 12th to 5th last year and from 12th to 6th this year at Windsor. frankly i'd rather that than see the top 6 faces pulled in and stay there despite better individual shows (not always, but sometimes) from ponies down the line. NO judge could decide on the first go round the top ponies for the very reasons outlined by others on this thread. If t was done annd dusted before the individual show and strip, what would be the point in waiting in line just to go through the motions and make up the numbers? I've always felt we've been given a fair crack at olympia qualifiers and am happy in due course and a fair wind our time will come and if it doesn't, well it won't be the end of the world.
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Post by papahotchie on May 18, 2007 16:25:00 GMT
I think competitiors don't help judges either, it is incredibly hard to identify individual ponies when the "mob" is continually circling closer and closer hoping to sway your opinion.....
Stay out far enough so that the judge can see each inidivual pony....riding as close as possible to note ensure a better pull...and often just irritates because you can't see everyone properly..
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