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Post by welsh on Jun 10, 2007 19:55:43 GMT
the c class was not called stallions were waiting just outside the collecting ring as it was safer lots of ponies around .the class was closed and rossete handed out within seconds of the mare twyford ellen entering the ring what a sad day for the sec cs
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Post by Cupar on Jun 10, 2007 20:05:39 GMT
m&m lr was won by judge k james pony went like a rocket and wouldnt stand (predicted win) glad my lr in field >:( I watched the LR & FR classes and thought that MR BLAIR did an excellent job the winning pony was outstanding, someone must jave been doing a bit of stirring as MISS E BRIANT was not judging as was wrongly stated by someone bit*hing before!!!!! The Green-eyed monster strikes yet again!!!!!! Perhaps the fact :-* that this lovely pony has won this class two years running speaks for itself!!!!! The winning pony was ok however it was the Only pony in the class which stood and shook its head continually when the judge looked over it. It was there for everyone to see.
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Post by veryold on Jun 11, 2007 6:58:39 GMT
I don't think the Section C class situation was quite as simple as it has been stated. From what I saw the cobs were being run up and down round the horseboxes and were not just standing in the collecting ring. As the classes clearly followed on it was up to the exhibitors to keep an eye on the ring and get in to the ring promptly. I don't think the steward helped by putting the ring rope back once the mare was in the ring, but the other competitors can't have been in the collecting ring at the time or that wouldn't have happened. The inevitable almighty row resulted in the next classes being held up for about 15 minutes. The judge very wisely retired to the centre of the ring and left it to the officials to sort out.
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Post by uha on Jun 11, 2007 7:07:49 GMT
Is it true that they were asked to stand the colts & stallions well away from the collecting ring to let the Riding Ponies out?
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Post by sshhpp on Jun 11, 2007 7:36:41 GMT
What's the name of the pony won the 122cm SHP?
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Post by doldy on Jun 11, 2007 8:05:21 GMT
I didnt think much of the large riding horse judging either, I was in the class and the philanderer was very naughty going round with the others, the judge cant have seen!!
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Post by Fix up on Jun 11, 2007 8:41:11 GMT
I didnt think much of the large riding horse judging either, I was in the class and the philanderer was very naughty going round with the others, the judge cant have seen!! The judge did'nt want to see! It was a disgrace her judging. The winner should'nt even been aloud in to the show ring because she had entered it in the wrong class. jayne's was very naughty and should never have been placed top.
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Post by memory on Jun 11, 2007 8:51:15 GMT
what about shooting star is he not out this season
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Post by shooting star on Jun 11, 2007 8:57:49 GMT
No I dont think Shooting Star is out, and I should expect Colin Tibbey will be taking Sunwillow Galong as it showed in H&H that he was champion under the same woman a few weeks ago.
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Post by B on Jun 11, 2007 11:13:29 GMT
Have to agree with 'A' on this about the Sec A's. 'george' you maybe have a connection with the pony 'Lapstone Ulysses' or it's owners ? If they had bothered do their research they would have realised that he is certainly not this judges type of pony, in fact he was lucky to be third ! The first two stallions were certainly his type. LU is grossly overweight, so much so that he rolls from side to side when trotting, but even this cannot disguise the fact he doesn't move straight, he looks like a mini cob - the fact he has done well at other shows is totally irrelevant. Haven't you noticed that in Wales they don't seem to care about dishing, plaiting or any other irregular leg movement !
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Post by ER on Jun 11, 2007 11:35:29 GMT
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO THAT CONNIE WAS WHO CAME SECOND TO THE NEW FOREST IN THE MMWORKERS AND WHO IT WAS RIDDEN BY? IT WAS FAB!
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Post by A on Jun 11, 2007 12:23:55 GMT
Excactly B! Totally agree except for the Welsh comment, Welsh certainly know what a pony is and wether it dishes or not, also does LU come from Wales to begin with??. But the simple truth is it is fat, dishes and looks mini cob. I wonder at which shows it won its medal, as it must have been a very lucky day for him.
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Post by armada on Jun 11, 2007 12:32:01 GMT
I know the collecting ring steward for that particular ring, and when I saw them yesterday, she told me all about what happened, the competitors parked their lorries in full view of the relevant collecting ring and were not in there when they should have been, and the class was judged without them. Its up to them to watch what is going on, not for any steward to go chasing them up. And at the end of the day, its not acceptable to go shouting at the steward, who is just doing their job because you have'nt been doing yours. And neither can you rely on the tannoy to tell you to be where you should be at any given time.
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Post by New Faces on Jun 11, 2007 13:19:37 GMT
The best thing south of England could do to keep their entries up is to change the people who choose their judges.
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Post by ANON on Jun 11, 2007 14:42:35 GMT
We were at the south of england and watched all the drama unfolding with regard to the section C's. It was totally the stewards fault. New faces how you can state that the competitors were running their cobs round outside is totally codswallop!!
One Roan C came off its lorry which was parked right outside the ring as soon as the C youngstock had been given their rossettes as did the other chestnut C Poacher. They waited for the youngsters to come out and were standing at the bottom of the collecting ring.
When they approached the ring the rope was up and the mare was in, she did one trot round and was given the rossette. A young girl with the chestnut C asked if the class had been split and was told yes, so they waited outside.
Then a male steward explained that they had missed their class and they should have been in the ring in time. Yes there was alot of flared tempers and shouting but at no time was the stewards spoken to in an agressive way, infact one steward was infact quite smarmey and rude to a rather large gentleman who was obviously upset at not being allowed to enter the ring.
The section C yougstock winners owner actually was sticking up for both of the C stallions and confirmed that they had been waiting in the ring the whole time.
AT no time at all were either stallions run around or up and down outside the ring. They stood still the whole time and didnt even break from a walk going back to their lorries.
At NO time did the stewards call for the class, which after all is their job if you have 5 horses catalogued then surely you should waiti longer than 2 minutes before judging one horse.
I will be writing a letter to the south of england as this is totally unacceptable to treat competitors like this, no wonder entries are so low these days, thank god we dont show welsh cobs!!
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Post by anon on Jun 11, 2007 14:44:21 GMT
Apologies new faces I got the wrong person I meant Armada and very old
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Post by CC on Jun 11, 2007 14:52:22 GMT
Maybe those who help select the judges shouldn't compete?
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Post by george on Jun 11, 2007 15:01:58 GMT
B guest, FYI i have no connection with the pony LU at all, i just have an interest as he looks rather like the pony my father used to drive many years ago, and i have fond memories of him, he just reminded me of sam, due to his quiet manners in the ring and his colouring, far removed from the boring grey, as i have said i follow form guides not show guides, i just go for the nice day out!! glad i don't show as the bit*hing is really quite nasty i actually come from wales, nr carmarthen, and have to say the atmosphere at welsh shows beats your english ones hands down!!
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Post by fmm on Jun 11, 2007 15:02:23 GMT
I didnt think much of the large riding horse judging either, I was in the class and the philanderer was very naughty going round with the others, the judge cant have seen!! The judge did'nt want to see! It was a disgrace her judging. The winner should'nt even been aloud in to the show ring because she had entered it in the wrong class. jayne's was very naughty and should never have been placed top. I understand that most of the horses were naughty on the go round, and the judge would have found it difficult to see which ones were misbehaving. I was not there, but I heard that the Philanderer was spooky at the end of the ring (not where the judge was looking) which was why he was pulled in top. He is an extraordinary horse, and is one of the best in the country. He wasn't his best with the ride judge and was therefore dropped to second. I heard that some horses came out of the ring because they were so upset on the initial go round. Our small behaved immaculately and ended up 3rd but could easily have won! It is truly swings and roundabouts and you have to take the rough with the smooth. You obviously know "Jayne" well, so wouldn't it have been better to have made your comment to her, rather than anonymously on a public forum?
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Post by armada on Jun 11, 2007 16:25:35 GMT
I dont recall saying anything about the cobs running outside the ring? ? Or that the competitors involved where actually 'aggressive' either, just shouting. I assume as a bystander on the peripheries you are also aware that the judge was prepared to judge these people as a seperate class but was prevented from doing so by SEAS?
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Post by anon on Jun 11, 2007 16:40:53 GMT
No offence intended, and yes we did hear that the judge was willing to judge as a seperate class. Absolutely disgusting if you ask me, the winner of the youngstock class who I believe was the Dabernon Mr Hussey, actually offered his first place rosette because they said that they didnt have enought rosettes to give out.
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Post by how on Jun 11, 2007 17:01:51 GMT
anon....excatly how you can claim that the section c competitors weren't trotting their ponies up outside the ring is beyond me- all i can think is that you clearly weren't there, or you're trying to preserve a reputation for those concerned. I was stood in the photorapher's tent (literally just outside the collecting ring) when a fellow photo browser leapt out of the tent, fearing that something terrible had happened...it was in fact just the section c stallions in question flying up and down on the concrete road outside the collecting ring; pleanty of winding up, cantering and sharp turns going on, nearly putting the poor ponies on their sides. not to mention nearly missing various lorries that were pulling onto the showground and not too far from my young daughter. I was simply shocked my such behaviour....AND how on EARTH can you claim that no one was rude to the Stewards?!?! I don't think i've ever heard such language used in my life, again with young ears all around...just not acceptable. I was honestly surprised security wasn't called can felt very sorry for the steward. Finally, if this behaviour occured outside any other class, it would NEVER be permitted...i think some of the 'welsh lot' need bringing down a peg or two, and taught some basic manners.
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Post by armada on Jun 11, 2007 17:02:14 GMT
It does seem to me the whole thing was an absolute farce, and plenty of the comments above are extremely valid. BUT will any of the people involved including the judge and the person who was responsible for booking him (and clearly from all accounts did so with the ulterior motive of favours being done) actually have any action taken against them for this?
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Post by Hack on Jun 11, 2007 17:49:44 GMT
Any Hack results. Was Katie Jerrams judging???
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Post by Results on Jun 11, 2007 17:52:18 GMT
Yes, Royal Trooper Champ, Secret Garden Res
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Post by welsh on Jun 11, 2007 18:16:13 GMT
anon....excatly how you can claim that the section c competitors weren't trotting their ponies up outside the ring is beyond me- all i can think is that you clearly weren't there, or you're trying to preserve a reputation for those concerned. I was stood in the photorapher's tent (literally just outside the collecting ring) when a fellow photo browser leapt out of the tent, fearing that something terrible had happened...it was in fact just the section c stallions in question flying up and down on the concrete road outside the collecting ring; pleanty of winding up, cantering and sharp turns going on, nearly putting the poor ponies on their sides. not to mention nearly missing various lorries that were pulling onto the showground and not too far from my young daughter. I was simply shocked my such behaviour....AND how on EARTH can you claim that no one was rude to the Stewards?!?! I don't think i've ever heard such language used in my life, again with young ears all around...just not acceptable. I was honestly surprised security wasn't called can felt very sorry for the steward. Finally, if this behaviour occured outside any other class, it would NEVER be permitted...i think some of the 'welsh lot' need bringing down a peg or two, and taught some basic manners. what a load of rubbish >:(who are you to say people that show welsh cobs need bringing down a peg or two
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Post by Fix up on Jun 11, 2007 18:17:49 GMT
The judge did'nt want to see! It was a disgrace her judging. The winner should'nt even been aloud in to the show ring because she had entered it in the wrong class. jayne's was very naughty and should never have been placed top. I understand that most of the horses were naughty on the go round, and the judge would have found it difficult to see which ones were misbehaving. I was not there, but I heard that the Philanderer was spooky at the end of the ring (not where the judge was looking) which was why he was pulled in top. He is an extraordinary horse, and is one of the best in the country. He wasn't his best with the ride judge and was therefore dropped to second. I heard that some horses came out of the ring because they were so upset on the initial go round. Our small behaved immaculately and ended up 3rd but could easily have won! It is truly swings and roundabouts and you have to take the rough with the smooth. You obviously know "Jayne" well, so wouldn't it have been better to have made your comment to her, rather than anonymously on a public forum? Don't know Jayne, but think most people would recognise her. Nothing personal against her and thought her small went very well just thought that some very nice horses did behave and and therefore unfair to see a naughty horse qualify for hoys!! Again nothing personal!!
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Post by Jo Jenkins on Jun 11, 2007 18:54:35 GMT
I think that you have to differentiate between one of the most 'successful' riding horses and one of the 'best' riding horses when a professional rider is on board the two are not the same. Part of the skill for the prof. rider is the 'placing' of their horses. Where perhaps one judge might be a tad more forgiving than another.
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Post by how on Jun 11, 2007 19:02:15 GMT
...oh for goodness sake, use your head and stop nit-picking, trying to pick up on an issue and throw it open to a huge debate... If you look at the thread title, i am writing solely with reference to THIS SHOW....and if you'd been there i'd hope you too would have been disappionted by the behaviour and manners of SOME of the handlers....
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Post by pump on Jun 11, 2007 19:32:35 GMT
'Competitor' You are clearly connected with Mrs.James pony as although a very nice pony I would hardly describe it as outstanding as It would not stand for the judge , dragged it's leader around the ring and then made a total hash of it's stand at the end of the show! The fact that Mrs.James name has come up more than once on this thread 'you scratch my back etc ' shows that her cover has been blown. Let's get facts right please , E. Briant was in the schedule to judge it was not stirring or b****ing as you so pleasantly put it and if you think that putting up a pony in the first ridden to stand 2nd that tried to nap out of the ring in front of the judge is Mr. Blair doing an excellent job you should change to showing rabbits as I think you may have lost your way . I agree with 'Dog' that I was pleased that my decision to leave my pony at home was the right one.
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