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Post by shsg on Jun 11, 2007 20:04:33 GMT
can we not foget that the judge will oly see what happens in front of them and it is very pos that the judge would not have seen any of the horses not preforming to there best and the sosiaty rules pay a lot of attention to type and conf. after watching the class both the top 2 large riding horses are 2 of the best riding horses around and with a prof on or not would have had no problem placing high in that class of spooky horses and some that where just not good enough to win thereway out of a paper bag!
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Post by Fix up on Jun 11, 2007 20:25:54 GMT
There was at least 4 other very nice horses in the ring. Yarrow Dream Girl , Tranquil Heights, Captain Hastings, ant a few others which I do not know by name. Gosh should have been champion , he went foot perfect in the championship and should have at the very least been reserve, not grey. Gosh is former Hoys champion!!!
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Post by shsg on Jun 11, 2007 20:46:18 GMT
im not saying that there where no other good horses but some of the horses u mention dont exactly look very good at the mo and Gosh might b a former hoys champ but its not the best thing around and in that championship was not exactly eye catching or or moving any where as well as the 2 larges and as a championship is to b judged as a seporet class i dont see what your point is!
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Post by Fix up on Jun 11, 2007 20:54:24 GMT
Gosh went and behaved better than the grey in the championship the grey was still spooking in the championship.Surely forgiving in the class was one thing but it is not that nice that it deserved to be forgiven again. Granted Captain Hastings is not loking great but the other two mentioned do and both went very well . My point is the grey did not deserve to qualify for hoys or be reserve champion.
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Post by shsg on Jun 11, 2007 21:19:35 GMT
for a start the grey only got the qualityed because of an admin mistake that ment that jo bates horse could not and the judge must have liked the grey enough to pull him in top to start with and must have felt that his type and conf where by far good enough to out weigh any lacking in proformance to keep him im the top 2 and again to put him reserve instead or gosh. lets face it showing all comes down to the judges oppinion and if u cant except that some judjes will have a lot more interest in the type and conf part and others in the ride and way of going, and i can only assume that the judge felt that gosh might have been good enough to win the small's but not to go reserve, so u have to think that now gosh may have some sort of conf falt u would not see from the side of the ring.
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Post by telegraph on Jun 11, 2007 21:46:51 GMT
so u have to think that now gosh may have some sort of conf falt u would not see from the side of the ring. That is a very cruel remark and would be livid if you summised anything about my horse like that, how dare you, The judging only gets talked about on here when horses dont perform well, so obviously competitors are happier with better performance otherwise they would just do in hand
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Post by wink on Jun 11, 2007 22:08:17 GMT
Perhaps you suffer from jockey judging as we do in Natives
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Post by anon on Jun 12, 2007 7:27:39 GMT
What an absolute load of ....... You obviously are one of these do gooders who hate welsh cobs and their associates. Yes there are a few people who show cobs that do wiz them up and down outside the ring and bad mouth judges and other competitors. There were a few cross word but no language what I would call offensive, especially not from the ponies handlers, possibly from the people involved with them but not that I heard. Definately the two section C stallions did not break from a trot going back to their lorries, I mean both lorries were parked dead opposite the ring for gods sake. The only pony I saw that was kicking and bucking and wizzing about was the section C 2 year old colt. and he had removed from the collectimng ring so not to cause offensive. Obviously you need to get your eyes tested and read up on your breeds. Why should any action be taking against the competitors? The show should make sure that something like this doesnt happen again, and people like you should keep your oponions to yourself if you havnt got anything constructive to say. If you thought that strongly about it why didnt you say anything on the day?
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Post by blackknight nli on Jun 12, 2007 7:34:53 GMT
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Post by how on Jun 12, 2007 8:27:18 GMT
What an absolute load of ....... You obviously are one of these do gooders who hate welsh cobs and their associates. Yes there are a few people who show cobs that do wiz them up and down outside the ring and bad mouth judges and other competitors. There were a few cross word but no language what I would call offensive, especially not from the ponies handlers, possibly from the people involved with them but not that I heard. Definately the two section C stallions did not break from a trot going back to their lorries, I mean both lorries were parked dead opposite the ring for gods sake. The only pony I saw that was kicking and bucking and wizzing about was the section C 2 year old colt. and he had removed from the collectimng ring so not to cause offensive. Obviously you need to get your eyes tested and read up on your breeds. Why should any action be taking against the competitors? The show should make sure that something like this doesnt happen again, and people like you should keep your oponions to yourself if you havnt got anything constructive to say. If you thought that strongly about it why didnt you say anything on the day? ....you know what, you're totally right. I should get my eyes tested, as what you've written is most definitly NOT what i saw... Enough of this now, i can't be doing with such pointless banter and blatent lies...just your word against mine. One question though...why is it alright for you to voice your opinions, but not me?? Oh and laslty, why do i need to read up on my breeds??
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Post by Stacey on Jun 12, 2007 8:44:13 GMT
'how' - Not sure if you have anything to do with the Welsh Breeds, if you don't I think you could have been a bit more tactful in your approach, as your apparant generalisation of Welsh Breed handlers is quite offensive. Yes there are a minority who let the side down (cannot comment for S of E as I was at the lorry having a bacon sarnie as we'd finished for the day) but it is only a minority. To tar everyone with the same brush is very unfair to the rest of us.
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Post by FIX UP on Jun 12, 2007 8:51:19 GMT
So what you are actually saying is that nice horses don't need to behave anymore. Manners and behaviour are more important than anything, otherwise showing would be a complete joke!! The most beautiful of horses can blow it on the day and in normal circumstances would leave the ring or be dropped well down the line. The judge knew the grey would still qualify and hence only dropped one place. If type and conformation are all that matter why bother having the judge ride them!!!
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Post by A on Jun 12, 2007 9:13:59 GMT
Just seen the Idyllic stud website, didnt know there were rumours they'd left the ring, although they were very unlucky with their placing.
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Post by Notafan on Jun 12, 2007 9:19:50 GMT
B guest, FYI i have no connection with the pony LU at all, i just have an interest as he looks rather like the pony my father used to drive many years ago, and i have fond memories of him, he just reminded me of sam, due to his quiet manners in the ring and his colouring, far removed from the boring grey, as i have said i follow form guides not show guides, i just go for the nice day out!! glad i don't show as the bit*hing is really quite nasty i actually come from wales, nr carmarthen, and have to say the atmosphere at welsh shows beats your english ones hands down!! I think you must own LU George because if you live where you say i cant think of any other reason for you being such a long way from home. I certainly wouldnt drive all that way when you have a nice 3 day show closer to you. Another thing is that you were quick enough to come on here to stick up for the fat thing. How did you manage to get home & post on here before 5pm?? Perhaps you should educate your producer in to turning out a pony that isnt going to get condemned for eating too many pies, or better still send it to someone who knows how to produce a healthy pony. I have to agree with 'A' it is grossly overweight. Whats happened to the new "looking fit" guidelines because there have been some real lumps of lard near the top of lineups at shows this year.
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Post by welsh on Jun 12, 2007 13:30:55 GMT
What an absolute load of ....... You obviously are one of these do gooders who hate welsh cobs and their associates. Yes there are a few people who show cobs that do wiz them up and down outside the ring and bad mouth judges and other competitors. There were a few cross word but no language what I would call offensive, especially not from the ponies handlers, possibly from the people involved with them but not that I heard. Definately the two section C stallions did not break from a trot going back to their lorries, I mean both lorries were parked dead opposite the ring for gods sake. The only pony I saw that was kicking and bucking and wizzing about was the section C 2 year old colt. and he had removed from the collectimng ring so not to cause offensive. Obviously you need to get your eyes tested and read up on your breeds. Why should any action be taking against the competitors? The show should make sure that something like this doesnt happen again, and people like you should keep your oponions to yourself if you havnt got anything constructive to say. If you thought that strongly about it why didnt you say anything on the day? Well said Anon
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Post by shsg on Jun 12, 2007 14:03:51 GMT
so u have to think that now gosh may have some sort of conf falt u would not see from the side of the ring. That is a very cruel remark and would be livid if you summised anything about my horse like that, how dare you, The judging only gets talked about on here when horses dont perform well, so obviously competitors are happier with better performance otherwise they would just do in hand im not saying that gosh dose. what i am saying is that the judge might have seen somthing that we would have not, and if the horse is good enough it realy would not matter who is riding it.
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Post by george on Jun 12, 2007 14:38:58 GMT
NOTAFAN i don't know where you are getting the idea i have connections with this pony??? i certainly don't have it produced, as for my distance from home i happen to have family in hastings, and ardingly is certainly not many miles away!! why can no-one say anything nice about a pony on this site without getting slated for it??
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Post by Guestless on Jun 12, 2007 14:43:12 GMT
im not saying that gosh dose. what i am saying is that the judge might have seen somthing that we would have not, and if the horse is good enough it realy would not matter who is riding it. You did say "..so u have to think that now gosh may have some sort of conf falt u would not see from the side of the ring." That to me says you are saying he must have and not that he could have. Please take care in how you word things and remember people may interpret your meaning differently. Also, we don't like text speak on here, so please type your words in full.
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Post by Welsh mountain pony on Jun 12, 2007 15:10:33 GMT
'A' i don't recall anyone saying there was a rumour that Idyllic left the ring?
They didn't if anyone is wondering, pony was placed 2nd
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Post by carly on Jun 12, 2007 17:35:28 GMT
i personally know lapstone ullyses and his current owners and i would just like to inform people who think he is not capable of winning in good company or his wins are pure luck that they are ill informed as he has good show record. he was 1st at glanusk as a 2yr old beating big name ponies like tiffwyl midas who went on to be champion at three counties. he won his 1st medal as a yearling under doreen jones of synod. i think she knows good conformation and it was in good company beating royal welsh winners. he also was 2nd res for a cuddy as a yearling which is not easy on the comment that he is over height, some bored person complain about his height at the show and the owners were forced to take him to have his height measured and he measured at 11. 3 which just proves that these people who stand at the side of the ring and complain about the ponies dont know everything. he might be overweight and he might not be your type but he is a nice animal that has won in wales and in england in good company!
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Post by A on Jun 12, 2007 17:49:35 GMT
Judges are very fickle things, and I stick to my guns that he must have been very lcuky on those days. And as you said yourself, he is grosely overweight and therefore not a good ambassador for the breed on that factor alone. I dont blame someone for having him measured, good on them, I'd have him measured again tomorrow to double check. And as for res for cuddy's as yearling, wow, how he reached the championship to begin with is a mistery.
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Post by geegee69 on Jun 12, 2007 18:27:06 GMT
A Guest. You are so rude!
Please note the correct way to spell mystery not mistery. You may benefit from some literacy lessons especially spelling!
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Post by five on Jun 12, 2007 18:51:07 GMT
A guest, it is obvious that you have a vendetta against this pony and or its owners, please take your nasty snide comments elsewhere as we are all sick of hearing the same remarks you keep making about this pony. It is a pony that belongs to someone and is loved, it has been measured and is under height, it you see it out next why dont you put your money where your mouth is and object and ask for a remeasurement!!! As for it being overweight, so are an awful lot of inhand ponies on the show circuit, why are you not complaining about them to!!!
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Post by dog on Jun 12, 2007 20:14:29 GMT
i would just like to reply to competitor about k james pony who won at the south of england the pony itself is a beautiful pony and i do not dispute this but if you follow lr/fr you will realise that the pony ALWAYS goes like a rocket and very rarely stands still !! and it is not fair to the other ponies in the ring who behave beautifully and that are safe for even the smallest of jockeys, to get placed below such a pony because of who it belongs to !! and please dont try and tell me that the judge didnt Know whos it was
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Post by a on Jun 12, 2007 20:42:25 GMT
Good idea, maybe I will if I ever have the misfortune of seeing it out again. As to other ponies being fat I have yet to see one as fat. And no I dont have a vendetta against the owners, dont know them, or the pony just painting what I saw, as many other people have done aw well not JUST me! And geegee69, my spelling if perfectly fine thankyou all the same, just happens sometimes when typing in a rush as I'm sure you have experienced unless you are of course perfect, which I dount as no one ever is. Sorry if comments were hurtful but sometimes the truth is, and many worse things have been said on here!
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Post by Fix up on Jun 12, 2007 21:00:57 GMT
Good idea, maybe I will if I ever have the misfortune of seeing it out again. As to other ponies being fat I have yet to see one as fat. And no I dont have a vendetta against the owners, dont know them, or the pony just painting what I saw, as many other people have done aw well not JUST me! And geegee69, my spelling if perfectly fine thankyou all the same, just happens sometimes when typing in a rush as I'm sure you have experienced unless you are of course perfect, which I dount as no one ever is. Sorry if comments were hurtful but sometimes the truth is, and many worse things have been said on here! I think you do have a problem with your spelling, doubt not dount!! ha ha ha
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Post by Admin on Jun 12, 2007 21:15:37 GMT
If the personal comments continue I will lock the thread.
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Post by SOE on Jun 12, 2007 21:23:08 GMT
Should a very typey Lead Rein pony be left at the top of a line if it is the only one to shake its head?
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Post by Notafan on Jun 12, 2007 21:52:53 GMT
NOTAFAN i don't know where you are getting the idea i have connections with this pony??? i certainly don't have it produced, as for my distance from home i happen to have family in hastings, and ardingly is certainly not many miles away!! why can no-one say anything nice about a pony on this site without getting slated for it?? Ok, so you have no connections so why say it should have won when its hanging in fat? Surely even you can tell the difference between right & wrong. As for it getting slated, i think you opened this for debate! I would quit now if i were you.
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Post by george on Jun 12, 2007 22:24:10 GMT
Why should i quit??? because of some rude comments from another forum user? yes i did open the debate, so what, at least i am above mud slinging and i don't have to resort to insulting people and their ponies on a public board. fair enough you don't like the pony, so what, others do! i admit the first two weren't my cup of tea,they are nice ponies don't get me wrong but i ust don't like greys - sorry, but i don't insult them or their connections. surely that is what your sport is about isn't it, opinions??? it seems to me that only a certain clique are allowed to have them. i will say again i liked this pony due to the way it went, covered the ground like no one's business and reminded me of sam, the driving pony my father kept. i will continue to like this pony regardless of what anyone else says, and i will not be bullied into leaving this forum, i am enjoying the debates on here far too much! it has opened my eyes to a world i never knew existed, looks like i will be swapping racecourses for showrings for the summer.
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