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Post by shelleyj on Jul 28, 2008 8:18:05 GMT
well done with Mai - I wasn't there to see the show but its interesting to hear that she did something different in the supreme - this should be an opportunity for riders to really go for it, display excellence and try something different - this is a showcase after all, well done!
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Post by hobsonschoice on Jul 28, 2008 12:59:27 GMT
Correct me if I am wrong but this is a forum - namely a venue for lively debate for those with an interest in the subject matter. No one has confessed an expertise, and there has been no sniping about the riders or their ponies who have been variously described as "lovely" and "fine examples of their breed". The debate centres around the judging and the core question "should ponies that canter on the wrong leg be placed?". Some of the guest posts deride that debate and the post of Yourallnuts is unbecoming and spiteful. For riders and ponies at this prestigious level it is the pursuit of excellence, and wrong legging it surely cannot be the successful achievement of that pursuit?
Perhaps those that believe placing ponies who proceed on the wrong leg is acceptable would be more at home in a parochial environment. Sadly it seems that at this event the judging was less than prestigious and certainly did not match the quality of the event, riders or ponies which is the bottom line - it is not a criticims of riders or ponies as sam d said all the ponies are well schooled some made a mistake on the day - is it not the role of the way of going judge to differentiate those that make mistakes and those that don’t?
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Post by Interested on Jul 28, 2008 14:55:20 GMT
What did Mai do in her show? I am intrigued!
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Post by sbmighty on Jul 28, 2008 16:22:56 GMT
What did Mai do in her show? I am intrigued! Nothing particularly unusual - but did gallop twice (up and then back after changing rein again) in front of the grandstand!
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Post by shelleyj on Jul 28, 2008 17:45:10 GMT
at least it was different - I think by saying that it is acceptable for native ponies to go less well we are selling our native breeds short - they can and should excel as riddens
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Post by PONYKEPPER on Jul 29, 2008 15:52:20 GMT
VERY WELL SAID HOBSONSCHOICE I AGREE
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Post by james on Jul 29, 2008 20:33:08 GMT
watched the connies and i must say that although the pony that won went lovely and was a lovely lovely pony ...i thought the class itself was quite poor for such a prestigous title up for grabs ...only 15 forward out of 23/24 entered i have seen much stronger classes in some of the HOYS quals this year
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Post by james on Jul 29, 2008 21:06:30 GMT
watched the connies and i must say that although the pony that won went lovely and was a lovely lovely pony ...i thought the class itself was quite poor for such a prestigous title up for grabs ...only 15 forward out of 23/24 entered i have seen much stronger classes in some of the HOYS quals this year
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Post by peggy38 on Jul 29, 2008 21:37:05 GMT
some of the judging did leave a little to be desired, good pony or not wrong legs should mean low marks, but judges seem to make up there own rules dont they?
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Post by peggy38 on Jul 29, 2008 21:41:22 GMT
m and ms are more than capable of going well there are reasons why they dont 1 people dont keep them fit enough or 2 those people who say they cant go well cant get them to go well!
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Post by refifsneke on Jul 29, 2008 22:03:57 GMT
Thank you Sasha - we thought Mai went exceptionally well and proved that ridden M & M are more than capable of producing as polished a performance as any other ponies out there when they are well schooled and well ridden.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 31, 2008 12:27:23 GMT
Peggy38, I think you have upset a few people with your comments in the moaners area, judging by the comments on the 'nothing to moan about' thread. That is possibly why people no longer respect your opinions in other areas.
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Post by dun4u on Jul 31, 2008 12:48:46 GMT
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Post by peggy38 on Jul 31, 2008 13:04:32 GMT
perhaps if we where all as perfect as you seem to be then life would be sunshine all day every day, dont worry i shall not bother you people any more you only seem interested in yourselfs, and to say im bit*hy is a joke, you lot leave me for dust by by
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Post by hairys on Jul 31, 2008 13:08:50 GMT
Peggy38 are you some sort of comedian?
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Post by Balvenie on Jul 31, 2008 15:33:42 GMT
, you only seem interested in yourselfs, and to say im bit*hy is a joke, y the above quote has really made me laugh. bit rich coming from someone who is so 'up ones own ****'. have read threads and no-one has called you bit*hy, although following your comments in 'nothing to moan about' wouldn't have blamed anyone. do you really think that you can make such degrading remarks and not get a backlash?
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Post by candlesticks on Jul 31, 2008 18:29:40 GMT
hi everyone new on here, but just wanted to comment on something,
the supreme pony championship, although the D did do a good show, i cant help feeling that with the jokey being twice as old as some of the other pony jockeys and a good few years older than the eventual winner, is this not a slight advantage when trying to produce a good show? I would contest that it is more difficult for a younger child to produce a foot perfect, well schooled show when nervous in those conditions. An adult producer therefore has a considerable advantage in scoring points. Perhaps if a large breed with an adult on goes champion m&m they should go into the horse section with the other adults.
Just an idea and my point of view.
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Post by shelleyj on Jul 31, 2008 19:28:27 GMT
I can see your point candlestick, but often the large breed winner has a child on board who has competed against adults to win the class, a lot of these children are more than capable of producing superb shows and do - I think sometimes the adults get nervous too!
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Post by Rockstar on Jul 31, 2008 19:48:08 GMT
I think it is an interesting point you raise candlesticks (we did discuss it during the week before Greer went into the ring). Greer is only 24 and still eligible for 'childrens' classes in the form of Intermediates so I think for her to be in a pony championship is perfectly fine (plus I know she was REALLY nervous before she went in the ring!!!!). If the M&M Championship is won by an older rider I can see that some people might have a problem with them being in there, but at the end of the day it is a PONY championship and they are M&M PONIES - we shouldnt make too muchnoise or they will lose the right to be in the championship at all (which they have only just got). I do think the Mini M&M winner should be in there as well (and the Intermediate champion) though although this might lead to scheduling problems
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Post by candlesticks on Jul 31, 2008 20:02:45 GMT
yes i agree in many respects especially the number of animal forward for both the horse and pony supreme, 5 or 6 (cant remember!) in each is really not very many. The mini m&M champion should have as much right as the ridden to go forward as should the intermediate, also with the horse supreme why does the ladies, small hunter and worker champion not go forward? surely this would make the supreme stronger and more exciting, plus a lovely thing for ALL the champions to do i think. There are certainly more forward for the HOYS supremes which is much better i think.
No i completely see your point with the age and pony supreme, i think its just hard for a 13 year old for example to be able to do a comparably flashy, different and polished show to a professional producer riding themselves.
That is showing i suppose though! full of challenges!, i do think the 14.2 that was supreme was a fantastic and worthy winner so hats off to all concerned with that pony.
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Post by Rockstar on Aug 1, 2008 9:33:48 GMT
. No i completely see your point with the age and pony supreme, i think its just hard for a 13 year old for example to be able to do a comparably flashy, different and polished show to a professional producer riding themselves. I see your point, and for many show pony riders this would be true but the jockey of the 14.2 which won is herself a 'professional' jockey and regularly rides for many different producers. She probably has more ring experience than most of the other show pony jockeys put together!! Well done to her though, the pony went beautifully and as much as we would have loved to see Greer and Mai win we couldnt complain at the result!
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Post by mr on Aug 4, 2008 10:43:20 GMT
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Post by jinja on Aug 4, 2008 17:51:32 GMT
I think it is outrageous that people are disscusing PPC whoever started this wants shooting and anyone who carries it on regardless of their reasons are out of order if this was my pony I would be furious.
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Post by nikki on Aug 4, 2008 19:04:50 GMT
I think it is outrageous that people are disscusing PPC whoever started this wants shooting and anyone who carries it on regardless of their reasons are out of order if this was my pony I would be furious. I think it was started by (surprise, surprise) Peggy38. This is the sort of message, I believe, should be deleted by the moderators.
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Post by Balvenie on Aug 4, 2008 19:11:32 GMT
I think it is outrageous that people are disscusing PPC whoever started this wants shooting and anyone who carries it on regardless of their reasons are out of order if this was my pony I would be furious. Totally agree with you jinja. The curse of peggy38 strikes again, so many people uset in such a short space of time. Curious, sorry but dont think its appropiate to go naming ponies. All there is to go on is the rantings off one deluded individual aka peggy38.
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Post by ferret on Aug 4, 2008 21:30:49 GMT
i have deleted the posts that refer to the pony as requested , please in future if any members wish to have any posts removed please PM a Mod to alert us as we cant all look at every single post in each thread
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Post by curious on Aug 5, 2008 8:13:25 GMT
My post was never meant to offend anyone, i was simply trying to find out whether what Peggy38 had posted was true.......
Noboby can take anything away from the pony in question and I for one wouldnt.
However, i think it is best that the posts were deleted as horsey people can be very bit*hy and maybe this would have got out of hand.
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Post by lancs on Aug 5, 2008 11:53:37 GMT
Hi Ferrett, glad you have deleted those post as they were totally uncalled for.
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Post by jinja on Aug 5, 2008 15:22:19 GMT
Curious by asking was it true that a certain pony had a problem you were highlighting the point yet again, which is totally wrong and also it has nothing to do with you or anyone else on here for that matter. I do not know the people or pony personally but no ponys faults should be discussed on here.
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Post by curious on Aug 5, 2008 15:47:52 GMT
jinja - get off your high horse! i was not highlighting anything! if you cant read then maybe get someone to read my earlier post to you!
I apologised and said that i didnt mean to offend anyone, i was asking a question which someone else had brought up - NOT ME.
and as for you saying it has nothing to do with me or anyone else, maybe not but everyone is entitled their own opinion.
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