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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 16:22:54 GMT
Post by Green on Jul 26, 2007 16:22:54 GMT
Interestingly papahotchie mention s the NPS and "Safety of Native Ponies". The NPS runs its own breed the British Riding Pony and the Summer championships is the breed show for them alone.
Native ponies have their own stud books & societies and are lucky enough to be represented at Defra and have extra competitions run by the NPS for them.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 16:32:54 GMT
Post by windsor on Jul 26, 2007 16:32:54 GMT
I am very surprised its going ahead, as there is a lot of rain coming Sunday.
A understand the loss to the businesses that rely on the three counties show ground
If it were a question of cost in moving it to another venue i am sure that members would be only be too willing to split the extra cost in order to let the show go head.(if it needs to)
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 16:43:44 GMT
Post by wash on Jul 26, 2007 16:43:44 GMT
Hi "WASH" [Anonymous poster] "Truthfully" it doesn't matter what I think or say because either way I would get it in the back teeth from someone on this website........ Therefore, I will answer your questions as follows...the NPS council are committed to making the society successful and to meet its objectives specifically in areas of welfare and education.....any decision that is made that dramatically impacts the future of the society or its objectives is taken VERY seriously by all. Any implication that these decisions are made indescriminately are completely worthless / untrue. It is my hope that despite all adversities that we have seen over the past few months due to freak weather, the championship show will go ahead and be successful.....maybe then people will finally appreciate the hardwork and effort that has taken place over the past 4 weeks. Please note I will make no further comment pertaining to this subject on this thread, if you require further information I suggest that you contact the NPS Office officially, and they will handle any questions that you may have. Best regards Richard Holt Thank you Richard for speaking out. Please can you inform us as to whether members choosing not to attend will be able to donate their entries to the Flood Fund? Our selfish consciences will have battle with the fact that so many people and their animals closeby are living without fresh water and yet we are being encouraged to go and basically "show off" and use as much as we want. As a charity is this really a moral gesture to the local economy? Is this right?
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 16:53:01 GMT
Post by shelleyj on Jul 26, 2007 16:53:01 GMT
How can you expect to choose to donate entry fees to the flood fund? You have already chosen to enter the show, paid your money and the show is going ahead - you can't elect a committee then expect to micromanage it. If you choose not to go that is your decision. We chose not to go to the RWAS and don't expect our money back.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 16:54:08 GMT
Post by windsor on Jul 26, 2007 16:54:08 GMT
VERY good point.
Can I ask if the show starts and then it is abandoned after the first day, will the entries for the last 2 days be refunded?
By holding it for one day will this cover basic costs for the show ground?
Is this a financial decision?
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 16:58:37 GMT
Post by papahotchie on Jul 26, 2007 16:58:37 GMT
"Wash"
I cannot answer that questions on behalf of the society...
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 17:02:57 GMT
Post by Agree on Jul 26, 2007 17:02:57 GMT
I agree with ShellyJ. You entered the show and it's on, so you deciding not to go does not entitle you to your money back! If it was any other show and your horse was lame and you didnt go but the show was still on, you wouldn't want your money back!!! The Comitee are not silly, surely they wouldn't put us in danger!!!
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 17:04:32 GMT
Post by wash on Jul 26, 2007 17:04:32 GMT
Good point Windsor. But there is an enormous moral issue to contend with plus the fact that if you are taking several ponies and stabing them it is so much money to "give away" if you opt not to go.
The risk factor of travelling to the area should also be taken into account. If the showground turns to bog then Mud on lorries is lethal and the Highways Agency sponsors would agree with this.
Do Malvern have enough tractors to tow us out. There were eight at New Forest and people had to wait hours especially when the tractors got stuck!
Several years ago when Royal Windsor cancelled the final day entries were refunded a year later.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 17:38:15 GMT
Post by Disgusted on Jul 26, 2007 17:38:15 GMT
Taken from NPS Website....
Lady Vestey, the NPS President, advises ensuring your lorry has sufficient fuel and you have sufficient drinking water. This will help to ease the pressure on supplies in the local area.
It would help a great deal more if they did'nt have to deal with thousands of people and ponies I am absolutly disgusted that the NPS has seen it as appropriate to go on with the show !!!!!
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 17:50:04 GMT
Post by harveyapril on Jul 26, 2007 17:50:04 GMT
without sounding rude to lady Vestey, unless you have a very expensive lorry with LARGE water tanks, how are you going to manage to carry enough water for 3/4 ponies + 3/4 people for 3 days.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 17:54:25 GMT
Post by sara hird on Jul 26, 2007 17:54:25 GMT
That is a terrifying comment, how on earth can we ensure we have sufficient water and fuel on board, my trip uses a full tank of fuel, my box is full to the weight limit as it is. That statement confirms one thing to me, the show should not go on.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 18:10:30 GMT
Post by wash on Jul 26, 2007 18:10:30 GMT
Ok folks. the powers that be have made a decision to stay with Malvern for some crazy reason called money. If the AGM accounts were correct then the show is run to profit from sponsorship. Sara Hird for one is a sponsor and so am I. Neither of us would have minded our money being used for you to compete safely elsewhere sand more importantly so that the people of Gloucestershire would have somewhere to go if the condition worsen. What Council need to know is how many of us would have accepted a decision to move it to Kent , Towerlands or wherever. What We need to know is why they turned down heaps of help and real alternative venues.
At least Richard has been brave, "come out" and spoken on their behalf.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 18:23:23 GMT
Post by windsor on Jul 26, 2007 18:23:23 GMT
VERY WELL PUT!!
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 18:30:19 GMT
Post by outraged on Jul 26, 2007 18:30:19 GMT
without sounding rude to lady Vestey, unless you have a very expensive lorry with LARGE water tanks, how are you going to manage to carry enough water for 3/4 ponies + 3/4 people for 3 days. Mara posting here - haven't got time to log on! And of course, that's entirely dependent on them not being ripped off as you get towed on or off the grounds. I really am disgusted that the show is going on with no regard to the strain this is going to cause to already over-stretched resources locally. I'll bet the police are really looking forward to rescuing stranded lorries & ponies with mechanically unsound vehicles once they're clogged up with mud rendering brakes useless & make sure your radiators aren't also clogged with mud after you've been towed on & off the grounds or you'll overheat your engines. Of course you may also face prosecution if you don't clean your vehicle, lights, strip down brakes before you drive off so you know they're fully functional etc. In truth, how many of you really winter your ponies out in knee deep mud? - even I draw the line at that with a Highland pony & the difference between outwintering in the clag & performing at speed in the clag is quite significant - I take it everyone will be getting ponies re-shod & there'll be a UK shortage of mudplugging studs! Of course, once it starts drying out, what will the ground be like then? - I've not been to Malvern for nearly 20 years but surely it will become very holding & possibly cause tendon problems?
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 18:35:33 GMT
Post by ahighland on Jul 26, 2007 18:35:33 GMT
Im Surprised that its on, but happy if im honest! For M&M producers this show can make or break them!! Im expecting it to be muddy, and you can get to 3 countes by (if your comming form the south) going further up the M5 apparently and attack the showground from the north and get in a compelty differnt way avoiding the worst flooded areas! I think we will be surprised about how dry it will be, water goes alot quicker than everyone thinks, and the gound should be quite good! Its just getting there that should be the problem Good luck to everyone ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 18:38:55 GMT
Post by Flash Harry on Jul 26, 2007 18:38:55 GMT
Good God don't you lot ever stop moaning ,if its on you moan, if it was off you would moan. Just get on with it. I would be interested to know how many moaners actually do turn up.
You have a choice either to go or stay at home. Those that choose to go will make the most of it. Those that choose to stay at home get over it!!!
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 18:40:46 GMT
Post by gloucestershire resident on Jul 26, 2007 18:40:46 GMT
I was very surprised when the decision to still hold the champs at malvern next week was announced today. According to the news today, the bridge at Upton is now flooded again, at the end of the day my personal views are that it would be unsafe to hold them next week at malvern. It was extremely frightening last Friday how quickly the water did start to flood. i am one of the lucky ones in gloucestershire - I still have a dry house and stables and running clean water etc.. I know that the nps champs are the highlight of many peoples year and that people travel miles to qualify (myself included) but safety issues must be the most important factor regarding next week. If the decision stays to hold it at malvern next week - then I will be staying at home!! My personal choice but I have too much respect for my ponies. Using Kent show ground seemed a really sensible option, bearing in mind that is coming from someone who malvern is local for and Kent is quite a way to travel. At the end of the day there is more to life then showing.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 19:03:12 GMT
Post by supporter on Jul 26, 2007 19:03:12 GMT
I have read all the comments regarding NPS, to run a show of this magnitude takes hours of work, and NPS are one of the most committed Showing Societies to welfare, do not for one minute think the decision was taken lightly. We are coming to compete and love our ponies and would not place them at risk. So be supportive and attend the show prepared.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 19:05:08 GMT
Post by guest always on Jul 26, 2007 19:05:08 GMT
If the NPS have other options ie use of Kent showground or Towerlands or wherever I think they should use them.
We would happily travel to another venue if it was moved.
Regarding comment about refund of entries, the cost of entering a 'normal' show is alot less than a championship show.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 19:35:52 GMT
Post by wash up on Jul 26, 2007 19:35:52 GMT
Im Surprised that its on, but happy if im honest! For M&M producers this show can make or break them!! Im expecting it to be muddy, and you can get to 3 countes by (if your comming form the south) going further up the M5 apparently and attack the showground from the north and get in a compelty differnt way avoiding the worst flooded areas! I think we will be surprised about how dry it will be, water goes alot quicker than everyone thinks, and the gound should be quite good! Its just getting there that should be the problem Good luck to everyone ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) The rings were awash for Midlands In Hand and it has rained a great deal more since. More rain is forecast. What would happen if over a thousand ponies were stuck on a showground with no feed or even water if the floods come again? Why are we looking at adding to the local peoples misery when alternatives have been offered? Yes it would be a big task to move the show but surmountable and everyone would have allowed for difficulties. We all would have mucked in and the alternative venues have better motorway access than Malvern anyway. We wouldn't have stretched local services and would have allowed local people to continue to benefit from THEIR facilities. The decision was probably made to stay at Malvern because half the show comittee live near the M5 and it is convenient they would have had to travel further if the show had been moved.
Chances are that this was a political decision with no moral ground attached.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 19:51:53 GMT
Post by money on Jul 26, 2007 19:51:53 GMT
Think you'll find that it's a financial decision
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 19:52:15 GMT
Post by happy nps membeer on Jul 26, 2007 19:52:15 GMT
Im Surprised that its on, but happy if im honest! For M&M producers this show can make or break them!! Im expecting it to be muddy, and you can get to 3 countes by (if your comming form the south) going further up the M5 apparently and attack the showground from the north and get in a compelty differnt way avoiding the worst flooded areas! I think we will be surprised about how dry it will be, water goes alot quicker than everyone thinks, and the gound should be quite good! Its just getting there that should be the problem Good luck to everyone ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) The rings were awash for Midlands In Hand and it has rained a great deal more since. More rain is forecast. What would happen if over a thousand ponies were stuck on a showground with no feed or even water if the floods come again? Why are we looking at adding to the local peoples misery when alternatives have been offered? Yes it would be a big task to move the show but surmountable and everyone would have allowed for difficulties. We all would have mucked in and the alternative venues have better motorway access than Malvern anyway. We wouldn't have stretched local services and would have allowed local people to continue to benefit from THEIR facilities. The decision was probably made to stay at Malvern because half the show comittee live near the M5 and it is convenient they would have had to travel further if the show had been moved.
Chances are that this was a political decision with no moral ground attached.There are complete inaccuracies, in your above statement, get you facts right first about where the show committee live. Just stay at home we dont want people who make up stories just gritty British people, just like the good old days. Come along and bring your wellies, you have 5 days to umbrella proof your ponies. It will be hot toddies in the lorry, not pimms but we will have fun and survive.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 20:03:16 GMT
Post by windsor on Jul 26, 2007 20:03:16 GMT
Its not about being gitty its about being sensible and responsible actually ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 20:13:21 GMT
Post by happy nps member on Jul 26, 2007 20:13:21 GMT
Its not about being gitty its about being sensible and responsible actually ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I didnt say gitty, I said gritty and I do care for my ponies they are very well looked after and they a partial to a hot toddy themselve. I dont care if I dont get a red rosette, it will be nice to see all my friends, and I do care about people who have suffered, but whining all the time is not going to help them one little bit. Gordonj Brown should be seeing to that. Lighten up. Go or dont go that is the option.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 20:19:15 GMT
Post by ponygirl on Jul 26, 2007 20:19:15 GMT
I spent 5 days being "gritty" at the Royal Show whilst riding on the display grass ring. Everything I owned was covered with mud - me, the pony, the tack, the lorry, plates, cups, chairs, clothes, boots etc etc etc believe me it wasn't pleasant - I've done my bit for the Dunkirk spirit and that's why I've decided to stay at home. My entry and stabling fees are lost but at least I can spend the diesel money on a more pleasant experience.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 20:25:24 GMT
Post by quote on Jul 26, 2007 20:25:24 GMT
The rings were awash for Midlands In Hand and it has rained a great deal more since. More rain is forecast. What would happen if over a thousand ponies were stuck on a showground with no feed or even water if the floods come again? Why are we looking at adding to the local peoples misery when alternatives have been offered? Yes it would be a big task to move the show but surmountable and everyone would have allowed for difficulties. We all would have mucked in and the alternative venues have better motorway access than Malvern anyway. We wouldn't have stretched local services and would have allowed local people to continue to benefit from THEIR facilities. The decision was probably made to stay at Malvern because half the show comittee live near the M5 and it is convenient they would have had to travel further if the show had been moved.
Chances are that this was a political decision with no moral ground attached.There are complete inaccuracies, in your above statement, get you facts right first about where the show committee live. Just stay at home we dont want people who make up stories just gritty British people, just like the good old days. Come along and bring your wellies, you have 5 days to umbrella proof your ponies. It will be hot toddies in the lorry, not pimms but we will have fun and survive. What are the inaccuracies? 1000+ ponies is correct Rain Forecast is correct Upton flooding agian is correct Services being stretched is correct Possibility of feed/hay running out if routes out are flooded is correct NPS show committee - who lives in the East apart from the NPS chairman? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Corect? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 20:33:50 GMT
Post by DM on Jul 26, 2007 20:33:50 GMT
Oh and for those of little faith, The M5 is closed again tonight due to flooding, the rains are coming over the weekend, enjoy your journey. Why are people so selfish? And before you ask, we qualified 2 for the Picton, and most of you on here know me.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 20:37:14 GMT
Post by helper nps on Jul 26, 2007 20:37:14 GMT
just a point...if you read the nps news flash think you will find it was the nps council that made the ultimate decision not the show committee.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 20:38:14 GMT
Post by papahotchie on Jul 26, 2007 20:38:14 GMT
Im Surprised that its on, but happy if im honest! For M&M producers this show can make or break them!! Im expecting it to be muddy, and you can get to 3 countes by (if your comming form the south) going further up the M5 apparently and attack the showground from the north and get in a compelty differnt way avoiding the worst flooded areas! I think we will be surprised about how dry it will be, water goes alot quicker than everyone thinks, and the gound should be quite good! Its just getting there that should be the problem Good luck to everyone ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) The rings were awash for Midlands In Hand and it has rained a great deal more since. More rain is forecast. What would happen if over a thousand ponies were stuck on a showground with no feed or even water if the floods come again? Why are we looking at adding to the local peoples misery when alternatives have been offered? Yes it would be a big task to move the show but surmountable and everyone would have allowed for difficulties. We all would have mucked in and the alternative venues have better motorway access than Malvern anyway. We wouldn't have stretched local services and would have allowed local people to continue to benefit from THEIR facilities. The decision was probably made to stay at Malvern because half the show comittee live near the M5 and it is convenient they would have had to travel further if the show had been moved.
Chances are that this was a political decision with no moral ground attached.Personally, I give up my time, my annual leave and my own showing to work at the summer championships.....often standing for 8 hours stewarding in a ring.....in addition at any show I attend whenever possible I try to be helpful and answer queries or take on board feedback from members, so next time you consider making rubbish comments about my integrity have the decency to do it to my face instead of hiding behind an anoymous mask.
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NPS
Jul 26, 2007 20:41:36 GMT
Post by faberge on Jul 26, 2007 20:41:36 GMT
At the end of the day, the NPS are d**ned if they do and d**ned if they don't!
Take a look at the pictures of the New Forest Show, according to a post on this website, the New Forest area had had no rain for 2 weeks, rain in some form or other has fallen every day this week in the Malvern area I believe........
Could not the show have been moved to another date? Perhaps the week after Bank Holiday?
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