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Post by wisdom on Jul 4, 2009 20:22:20 GMT
I didnt take my pony to be measured it went with a friends, and unfortunately dont have the time to take them so usually dont, yes it was measured at Essex, but never knew where it was going other than the fact it was getting measured, and yes has been recalled with alot of others, and surely wont be the last, he is booked into be remeasured on 15th July and again a friend is taking it. wether the pony [glow=red,2,300]meaures or not he will not be going anywhere [/glow]we have owned him since he was 5 months old and has been a bonus that he has done so well for us in his first season he was originally purchased yes as a 128cm show pony but isnt that mature as yet, but that will be his job, so really not bothered wither way, its a hobby for us not our living, and being home produced is really hard enough. we do it because we enjoy it so not really bothered either way what jack measures, we will still be having fun with him xxx Correct me if I am wrong - but is this the same pony you were trying to sell a little time ago as a 128?  |
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Post by flicker on Jul 4, 2009 20:37:23 GMT
sorry if im wrong but this thread is supposed to be to ask jmb questions not to have digs at people re the height of their pony or in regards to if they are selling or not ( i dont know these people personally) but i read the thread for info help and guidance. if you want to make a dig at someone do it by pm so that this thread can get back to what it was designed for.
off my soap box now. thankyou
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Post by parryshowteam on Jul 4, 2009 20:43:13 GMT
sorry no u are wrong did put him on horsequest for lease as a FR or SP , he was 3 year at the time and was unsure how much he would grow, like I said wouldnt sell hiim. Have never advertised this pony for sale and never would.. before commenting in future make sure you have the facts correct, getting really fed up with the gossips on here, i dont stick my nose in anybody elses business and dont leave negative comments about anyone either, so suggest that if nothing better to do try taking up knitting or something.xxx
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Post by blueday on Jul 4, 2009 20:45:29 GMT
so am i right in thinking that if a pony is not presented for remeasurment in the time provided the height certificate becomes invalid for the season automatically?do these ponies then just go and get a height certificate in the usual process the following year or do they still need taking to a specific place to be measured as they would do had they gone within the time allowed?
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Post by haylage on Jul 4, 2009 20:51:53 GMT
come to think about it.............glad I show inhand!!!!
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Post by parryshowteam on Jul 4, 2009 20:54:57 GMT
yep maybe we go back to that aswell !! would like nothing better than to give up onthe showing at the moment, finding it really upsetting, but hey got a 7 year old to keep happy so just have to grim and bear it, because it is for her we do it xx
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Post by flicker on Jul 4, 2009 20:58:30 GMT
polp- if you dont represent within the 21 days (or date given by jmb) then your certificate become invalid full stop. if you then after this time want to re measure then it would still be the same the 2 officials and vet chosen by jmb but it would cost 600. i believe the cost to be so much as they take drugs tests too and if no chip they insert one also the cost of all the people involved etc. so worth turning up when the jmb request.
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Post by hollycane on Jul 4, 2009 21:06:58 GMT
I think it's a bit tough for those who have only got an annual certificate. Annuals were supposed to be for young horses that had not stopped growing. i.e. a Full Cert could only be got at age 7.
Unless all these animals were measured by the same vet in Essex after the recommendation from Cumbria I suppose.
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Post by haylage on Jul 4, 2009 21:17:08 GMT
I must admit I find all this quite complicated !!!
10 years ago we had a SHP, it was a welsh b, my daughter wanted to show her in both breed and SHP classes.
We took her to Johnsons to be measured, she had her feet trimmed the day before and with the help of a polo, to rlax she measured 1cm of the required hight. We were given an annual cert.
A year later we took her for another annual (she was 5) and she measured out............no question about it, she was no longer a 13 SHP.
Flicker, you know her, she my grey mare!
why then do people do all they can to get there ponies measured in....a good pony is a good pony, no matter wether it has to move up a hight level or not....i personally would like to see a stamp of pony, not matter what type or hight, than a leggy, fat, unfit, trying to be!!!!
I measure 14hh at my chin, spot on, when judging I use that as a guide!
owners of suspect ponies know their ponies are such.............why keep floggin the issue,
and I am not getting at anyone with this post............. just putting my opinion across
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 4, 2009 21:37:23 GMT
I think it's a bit tough for those who have only got an annual certificate. Annuals were supposed to be for young horses that had not stopped growing. i.e. a Full Cert could only be got at age 7.Unless all these animals were measured by the same vet in Essex after the recommendation from Cumbria I suppose. Hollycane, please could you explain to poor the un-initiated thicko here, what you meant by your comment "unless all these animals were measured in Essex after the recommendation from Cumbria I suppose" - on WHO's or on WHAT 'recommendation, from Cumbria', please?? |
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Post by flicker on Jul 4, 2009 22:09:49 GMT
hollycane yes please explain or if its another derogatory(sp) comment dont!
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Post by rabbit on Jul 6, 2009 9:02:52 GMT
I feel that if an animal continues showing under the 21 day rule, and qualifies in that time for RIHS or HOYS , then the ticket should be passed down to the next available qualifier, (on remeasurement that is overheight for the class) as the owner has had due warning to remeasure. IF the height on the remeasure is the original height, or within the class limit, then obviously the qualification stands, and nobody can complain, but if the animal measures out then it is very obvious that it is BIG (or a remeasure would not have been requested!) and therefore the ticket has been gained under false pretences.
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Post by Jo Jenkins on Jul 6, 2009 10:06:39 GMT
I think it would be almost impossible to do that for the societys as it would have this massive 'chain effect' as to who to pass it on to and on to and on to. Also not all animals that measure out are BIG as you put it. The chesnut small hunter that Katie Jerram won on at HOYS was only a tiny bit over as was Capt Hastings. I dont think there was any false pretences there they must have genuinely just kept growing slightly thru their 7 year old years as so many do. Some of these re measures will be genuine I am sure. Loads of people have their animals measured as early as they can in Jan. and now 6 months later could easily have grown a little bit but just enough to put them over. I thought the JMB comment in H&H was downright stupid. How many of us who measure one then keep measuring each month to check if it still eligable. You just get measured and think oh good fingers x'd it doesnt't grow much before next year!.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 6, 2009 10:11:13 GMT
I don't think anyone doubts the ones that measure out by a tiny margin are anything but genuine. It's the ones that are over by say an inch and a half, surely you have to know if an animal is that much over? As someone else said, I measure 14.2 at my shoulder, so I can have a good idea just by standing next to something if it's well over. The just over/just under ones are a little bit more difficult to tell!
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Post by rabbit on Jul 6, 2009 10:54:12 GMT
quite agree Milliesmum, and there are several cobs that are HUGE!! and have kept showing , and taking tickets through their 21days pending. in fact, one owner was heard to say they are not going to show their cob again until next year (after taking the ticket!!) how rude!!
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Post by Cherrytop & Spicery Stud on Jul 6, 2009 15:05:24 GMT
There is a pony for sale on Horse Quest at the moment that is for sale as 128cm that fine but would like to know how it competed last year as a 122cm SP First ridden winning at some HUGE champioships. 6CM is a big amount to grow.
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Post by jackiet on Jul 6, 2009 15:28:58 GMT
It may not actually measure 128cms, it may only measure 123cms but as it has measured over the FR height limit the 128cms is the class it will now have to go in.
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jul 6, 2009 19:39:53 GMT
How is travelling to be measured any different than travelling to a show?? If you live up North and qualify for the RIHS its a lot further! Im not saying its right to travel such a long way just pointing out that many of these ponies are used to travelling long distances every weekend throughout the summer. correct me if I am wrong, but I think what Phomn stud is saying is that the pony was obviously taken all that way to be measured for a reason - ie the vet who seems to measure ponies in when another vet wouldnt; also maybe with all the travelling the pony may be tired, therefore relaxed and maybe measure slightly less anyway!! |
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Post by brindlerainbow on Jul 7, 2009 14:24:59 GMT
jackiet I agree just because a pony is in the 128cm class dosen't mean it's a full up 128!!! it just means its gone over height for FR so may only be 1 cm over but is obviously now not eligable for FR so has to move up to 128 SP class  |
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Post by housekeeper on Jul 9, 2009 16:46:21 GMT
Simple economics would dictate to me that it is cheaper to pay a good person who we all have in our neighbourhoods as one off part timers, to do my other jobs so that I could take my own pony on a 3 hour round trip if necessary, including the measuring, to a more local place. Sorry to sound so cynical, but I would never let any pony of mine set off with anyone not knowing where it was going, and when it wasn't home 8 hours later, which these couldn't possibly have been, I would be getting very worried. Who on earth would put a pony through such 'unnecessary' travelling, or themself through the expense, without an incredibly good reason? It couldn't happen in our yard.
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Post by bemused on Jul 13, 2009 9:53:29 GMT
jmb website has been updated this morning.....................
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Post by wednesday on Jul 13, 2009 10:13:00 GMT
Quite a few have measured out: Heslington Tailor Made does the 153cm shp its measured in at 157.80 Also two 122cm shp have gone over ANNANDALE MOTIVATER measured in at 127.70 Also COOMBEHILL LAGUNA measured in at 127.70 Its such a shame i love annandale motivater !!!  |
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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 13, 2009 10:16:56 GMT
Gosh they're over by quite a lot aren't they? Were these ponies measured by the vet that's under investigation?
ETA, hope they'll continue to compete in the next class - a good 'un's a good 'un no matter how tall it is!
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 13, 2009 10:20:17 GMT
I notice that the pony Annandale Motivator won on Saturday and Qualified for HOYS as a 133.00. SHP.
Well done! Together with others (such as Intrepid), this proves that ponies & horses don't have to be put through the washing machine and shrunk on boil wash in order to be sucessful!
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Post by wednesday on Jul 13, 2009 10:21:14 GMT
Gosh they're over by quite a lot aren't they? Were these ponies measured by the vet that's under investigation? I believe so yes. I think most of the ponies that have been called back are the ones that were measured by Mark, dont think there has been that many objections by exhibitors to be honest. |
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Post by wednesday on Jul 13, 2009 10:22:01 GMT
I notice that the pony Annandale Motivator won on Saturday and Qualified for HOYS as a 133.00. SHP. Well done! Together with others (such as Intrepid), this proves that ponies & horses don't have to be put through the washing machine and shrunk on boil wash in order to be sucessful! oh excellent glad there still doing well such a lovely pony ! |
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Post by perds on Jul 13, 2009 10:22:53 GMT
can somebody explain this rule 27 which it says after several ponies, i have had a look on the jmb site but it all seems so confusing....
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Post by wednesday on Jul 13, 2009 10:24:41 GMT
can somebody explain this rule 27 which it says after several ponies, i have had a look on the jmb site but it all seems so confusing.... Think it means they have not presented the horse/pony to be measured before its date. So now there height certificate will be invalid. |
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 13, 2009 10:31:07 GMT
Rule 27 refers to Invalid Certificates.
There are 5 listed reasons why the Rule might come into play.
As said above, in this instance, it will presumably be the fact that the animal/s has/have not been presented for re-measurement by the owner in the time specified - ie: 21 days after the JMB Office notified the owner.
All the Rules are in the JMB Rule Book and on the website for all of us to read.
(modified to correct typo).
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Post by perds on Jul 13, 2009 10:31:23 GMT
thanks, thats what i thought but thought id check  seems odd to me that people have the option to not present the ponies, yes maybe they are a little bigger mid season but after all they should still fit in the class,who knows what will be done to some of these ponies between now and next year to try and get them back in at their supposed heights?! |
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