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Post by perfect on Feb 10, 2011 22:35:01 GMT
would all depend on the vet who measured it and where abouts he did put the stick, ive seen various places being the point
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Post by jmbsec on Feb 11, 2011 22:58:47 GMT
Just a quick question My 6 year old pony measured 138 so is up to height so what happenes if he grows a tiny bit he will be over. He had grown a lot from a 5 year old and i had not noticed so how would i know? Would his height cert still be valid? He needs a full cert in his 7th year - whatever he measures then will be his full measurement.
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Post by jmbsec on Feb 11, 2011 23:01:14 GMT
what would happen if you bought a pony with an annual cert, that you thought was measured to big. You take it top have Life height and it is smaller by quite a large amount. What would happen If it measured smaller and into a smaller class the Stewards would normally request a re-measurement by referees. Hhe cannot shrink, so somebody made a mistake.
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Post by hatman on Feb 12, 2011 22:42:58 GMT
I know he will get his life next year but what if his height gets questioned this year and has grown a tiny bit i will not know if that has happened and we can't put him in the next class just in case as his height cert says he is not big enough? What are you ment to do?
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Post by tabbyx on Feb 12, 2011 22:48:40 GMT
If his height gets questioned and someone puts down the money for an objection then he will go for remeasurement,in the last 138cm class he did the other pony wasn't actually bigger,had low withers but a big body.the last class he did the other pony was 13.3/14h and a hunter pony.
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Post by perfect on Feb 16, 2011 13:13:10 GMT
had pony measured friday, came back today wednesday Good turnaround thankyou
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Post by ponymum on Feb 22, 2011 13:20:21 GMT
if the current owners agree, I cant see why you cant take it to be measured, if it measures out , dont accept the height cert and return the pony to the owners....have you put a stick on the pony at home in a relaxed state? This should give you an idea IF the pony will measure or not xx
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Post by ballsup on Feb 22, 2011 17:23:19 GMT
The pony should measure, but the owners do not want a height cert on him ( its none of my business really why) i understood that once the vet had filled the forms in you had to accept it?
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Feb 22, 2011 18:26:27 GMT
mm a vet somone i know took a pony to said once he had measured it you had to have a cert - she asked what happened if i dont pay the £77- he said no certificate!!
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Post by ballsup on Feb 22, 2011 18:42:23 GMT
Have spoken to vet receptionist and they are being sooo cagey, making me feel like a criminal. I want a anual hight cert, and have given owners a deposit, owners dont want one!! Simple as that, may try another vet, but the one i want to use is nearest the owners, you would think it would be simple??
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Post by hatman on Feb 22, 2011 19:32:42 GMT
Why would they not want it measured? What sort of pony is it if it needs one it would be easer to sell with one!
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Post by ballsup on Feb 22, 2011 20:09:22 GMT
They are a sj, eventing yard, as i said its up to them really. All i really want to know is can you ask a vet to put a stick on a pony before he measures it properly.
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Post by sofabed on Feb 22, 2011 20:42:20 GMT
have you put a stick on it, also for bsja junior sj new rule (2011) once they have won £50 they have to be measured and for pony trials (eventing) they also measure so why are they not keen to measure?
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Post by ballsup on Feb 22, 2011 21:01:18 GMT
Well i assume as i want it to be 13hh and if they are competing in a differnt field then they want 13.2 on its height cert?? I am hoping it will measure 13 and have had a stick on it and seems ok, but am i being niave and maybe they want it to be 12.2? I dont own the pony yet , think that they are being pretty fair to say i can take it, but can also see there point of view, they need to sell it if i dont buy it.
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Post by hatman on Feb 22, 2011 21:07:35 GMT
The pony will be what ever height it is if someone is looking for a 12.2 jumping pony they will want to know how big it is. They to would be asking the same as you.
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Post by ballsup on Feb 23, 2011 8:34:29 GMT
Will have to phone JMB and ask
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Post by Guestless on Feb 23, 2011 12:22:42 GMT
I can't see why a vet wouldn't measure the pony for you without it being an official measurement - as long as you pay whatever is the agreed fee. Surely you can ask a vet to measure a pony unofficially perhaps as part of a vetting?
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Post by swannie on Feb 23, 2011 17:50:25 GMT
We took a pony to be measured who wouldn't stand still. The measuring pad was in quite a busy place and the pony just wouldn't settle. He measured easily at home but we just couldn't get him to stand still long enough to relax to his correct height. We asked the vet if we could pay him for his time. but not be issued with a certificate. I think he charged £25 which is poss the vets share of the jmb fee.
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Post by hs on Feb 23, 2011 21:24:57 GMT
Yes of course you can. I have had this done as part of a vetting and one pony advertised as 14.1 the vet said would measure in under 13.1 (did not buy as it failed vetting) I also had my pony measured by my vet on my yard just so I could have an idea of how big he was to see if he had grown. I just asked them to bring a measuring stick when they came to do his jabs. They are a sj, eventing yard, as i said its up to them really. All i really want to know is can you ask a vet to put a stick on a pony before he measures it properly.
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Post by agent on Mar 17, 2011 12:27:31 GMT
Following on from another thread, JMB Sec, can you confirm:
a) That vets are now issued with instructions to measure and record, by laser and stick
b) Which record goes on the cert - the stick, the laser, the highest or the lowest
I have nothing to measure but I am sure that I will be asked!
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Post by wisdom on Mar 17, 2011 12:35:12 GMT
Our pony was measured last month in Lancashire. He was measured with a measuring stick by the vet and this was recorded and sent off for his full certificate. He was then measured by a laser - he actually measured 0.5cm less than the stick measurement. One reason for this could be he was more relaxed by this time as it took time to set the laser up, or maybe he tensed slightly when the wooden stick was placed on his wither. He measured in easily for his class so it didn't matter, but I can definitely recommend the laser method.
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Post by jmbsec on Mar 17, 2011 14:25:23 GMT
Following on from another thread, JMB Sec, can you confirm: a) That vets are now issued with instructions to measure and record, by laser and stick b) Which record goes on the cert - the stick, the laser, the highest or the lowest I have nothing to measure but I am sure that I will be asked! The stick measurement is THE measurement recorded. We are conducting a trial with some measurers using a laser after using the stick to compare results.
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Post by fatcob on Mar 24, 2011 13:17:22 GMT
Dear JMBsec
In light of the sudden growth spurt (some spectacular) of several HOYS cobs AFTER the age of 4 are you now going to revise your earlier comments that horses do not grow after 4 years old?
Or are we going to see the vets that measured these horses struck off the panel?
Thanks
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Post by edward on Mar 24, 2011 17:31:11 GMT
Our pony was measured last month in Lancashire. He was measured with a measuring stick by the vet and this was recorded and sent off for his full certificate. He was then measured by a laser - he actually measured 0.5cm less than the stick measurement. One reason for this could be he was more relaxed by this time as it took time to set the laser up, or maybe he tensed slightly when the wooden stick was placed on his wither. He measured in easily for his class so it didn't matter, but I can definitely recommend the laser method. That is suppose to be the most accurate form of measurement so If thats the case i would love to have another chance to remeasure by laser then when my boy measured out by .5mm !!
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 24, 2011 17:34:21 GMT
Well that would be wonderful edward. I personally would be looking into that and there was that fabulous connemara that measured out by 0.5 as well. Wouldn't it be great to have that one back too.
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Post by edward on Mar 24, 2011 17:37:46 GMT
well when it was by such a small amount it would be great to get another chance but then we all know things wont change so i may as well keep dreaming, but havent seen another true intermediate out there that would compare to him.
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Post by jmbsec on Mar 24, 2011 18:02:31 GMT
Our pony was measured last month in Lancashire. He was measured with a measuring stick by the vet and this was recorded and sent off for his full certificate. He was then measured by a laser - he actually measured 0.5cm less than the stick measurement. One reason for this could be he was more relaxed by this time as it took time to set the laser up, or maybe he tensed slightly when the wooden stick was placed on his wither. He measured in easily for his class so it didn't matter, but I can definitely recommend the laser method. That is suppose to be the most accurate form of measurement so If thats the case i would love to have another chance to remeasure by laser then when my boy measured out by .5mm !! .5mm?! I have no idea to what animal you are referring, but i do not think any animal has ever measured "out" by such a small margin (about a hair's breadth)
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Post by jmbsec on Mar 24, 2011 18:05:27 GMT
Dear JMBsec In light of the sudden growth spurt (some spectacular) of several HOYS cobs AFTER the age of 4 are you now going to revise your earlier comments that horses do not grow after 4 years old? Or are we going to see the vets that measured these horses struck off the panel? Thanks No. The Stewards decide what action, if any, to take as a result of any measurement or re-measurement.
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 24, 2011 18:13:55 GMT
That is suppose to be the most accurate form of measurement so If thats the case i would love to have another chance to remeasure by laser then when my boy measured out by .5mm !! .5mm?! I have no idea to what animal you are referring, but i do not think any animal has ever measured "out" by such a small margin (about a hair's breadth) It actually says 0.5 cm which is a bit more than a hair's breadth!
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Post by ballsup on Mar 26, 2011 14:43:13 GMT
Had pony measured , do i now have to send passport before i get height cert back??
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