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Post by jmbsec on Mar 26, 2011 23:17:15 GMT
Had pony measured , do i now have to send passport before i get height cert back?? Email the JMB office for advice, admin@thejmbonline.co.uk |
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Post by bianco on Mar 29, 2011 12:05:09 GMT
I agree with Fatcob about the sudden spurt of growth of hoys cobs, watched them last year and I'm sure they will say I'm blind but Hallmark was the biggest lightweight there!
He was not the only one I thought to be big, there are a quite a few I'd like to see a stick on!
Horses do grow after 4 years usually when they are younger 4 to 5 etc. but a 6 to 7 year old by 3.5cm thats a lot!
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Post by dancingqueen on Mar 30, 2011 12:27:13 GMT
I know of a pony which was measured last year for its LHC by 3 different vets, none of which could get the pony to measure 122cm or less. I have no idea how much or how little the pony measured out by. It has since been sold to a new home and the new owners have had it re-measured this year at 121.75cm. Perhaps they paid the £500 for a gold certificate. The pony seems lucky to have been able to have another chance this year. Perhaps Edward's intermediate and the connemara in question on earlier posts should get a second chance.
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Post by chubchub on Mar 30, 2011 19:39:52 GMT
Hallmark measured over so is now a Maxi cob - is that right?
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Post by edward on Mar 31, 2011 8:54:20 GMT
At least there was a class that he could fit into no problem
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Post by oldmaid on Apr 19, 2011 17:54:16 GMT
Have just read about a certificate not being valid under rule 27 (i). Can you explain what this rule is, thanks in advance.
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Post by jmbsec on Apr 19, 2011 21:33:12 GMT
Have just read about a certificate not being valid under rule 27 (i). Can you explain what this rule is, thanks in advance. All the rules are on the JMB website: www.thejmbonline.co.ukThis rule states: 27. Invalid certificates A Measurement Certificate will be declared invalid in the following circumstances: i. Any fees associated with the certificate are unpaid or the owner of the animal concerned is in debt to the Board or a Member Society. |
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Apr 25, 2011 9:36:45 GMT
JMB Sec - if an animal is recalled for measuring does that mean it does not have a valid height certificate until it is remeasured?
Thanks in advance
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Post by nici on Apr 25, 2011 18:57:36 GMT
I think its current certificate is still valid until the animal is remeasured, unless 20 days have expired, in which case it becomes invalid. I think there can be exceptions to this if the stewards agree, but I guess it would have to be exceptional circumstances.
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Post by forester on Apr 25, 2011 21:21:03 GMT
there are still plenty horse/ponies that are over-height competing in the smaller classes-only trouble being who has a spare £600 for have the said horses and ponies re-measured???
not many so nothing gets done about it!!!
and surely the laser measurement is the far more accurate the hors/pony is far more relaxed therefore giving a "true" height measurement!
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Post by jmbsec on Apr 26, 2011 6:05:48 GMT
I think its current certificate is still valid until the animal is remeasured, unless 20 days have expired, in which case it becomes invalid. I think there can be exceptions to this if the stewards agree, but I guess it would have to be exceptional circumstances. That's about it. Exceptional circumstances= 1 or 2 in the last 10 years. |
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Apr 26, 2011 6:07:35 GMT
I think its current certificate is still valid until the animal is remeasured, unless 20 days have expired, in which case it becomes invalid. I think there can be exceptions to this if the stewards agree, but I guess it would have to be exceptional circumstances. That's about it. Exceptional circumstances= 1 or 2 in the last 10 years. Thank you |
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Post by jmbsec on Apr 26, 2011 6:09:32 GMT
there are still plenty horse/ponies that are over-height competing in the smaller classes-only trouble being who has a spare £600 for have the said horses and ponies re-measured??? not many so nothing gets done about it!!! and surely the laser measurement is the far more accurate the hors/pony is far more relaxed therefore giving a "true" height measurement! Don't forget the £600 is returned if the objection is upheld. Member societies can also request a re-measurement. Why should the use of a laser be more accurate and why would the animal be more relaxed when a laser is used? |
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Post by lucynlizzysmum on Apr 26, 2011 6:15:19 GMT
there are still plenty horse/ponies that are over-height competing in the smaller classes-only trouble being who has a spare £600 for have the said horses and ponies re-measured??? not many so nothing gets done about it!!! and surely the laser measurement is the far more accurate the hors/pony is far more relaxed therefore giving a "true" height measurement! Don't forget the £600 is returned if the objection is upheld. Member societies can also request a re-measurement. Whilst I agree that the amount needs to be sufficient to put people off acting vindictively, I know I would not have £600 spare to put down. When you launch an objection there is always a chance that you will be wrong and the animal which you have objected to is not over height. So I would say that you have to be prepared to lose that £600 - I would therefore say that I would not be prepared to object to an animal in a class! ETA I am not saying that the amount should necessarily be brought down! |
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Post by jmbsec on May 3, 2011 23:01:34 GMT
During the period 7th - 31st May the JMB office will be issuing measurement certificates as usual but will not be able to handle queries over the telephone or by mail.
Emailed queries will be dealt with but there may be a delay in answering.(email address: admn@thejmbonline.co.uk).
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Post by perfect on May 10, 2011 9:03:34 GMT
I sold a pony because it was a good 2" overhieght, and thought id never get it in to be measured, at 122.
Now i see its with a producer in the class at 122 and under and has qualified.
This isnt sour grapes as i wish the pony the best of luck and the new owners.I wasnt wanteing to take a chance on being measured out.
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Post by jump4joy on May 13, 2011 21:32:38 GMT
Points to note when purchasing youngsters! I have been involved in breeding over 40 years..i can from experience state that i have had several lines of very late developers [ my own children included Ha] joking aside..out of my mare true 15h by Crown Gold i have bred 7 from her ranging from 13h to 16.2 all late developers measured at 4 and then at 7 showing a huge difference. For example the 16. 2 at 4 measured 153cm, i have a 6 year old now out of this mare measured at 4 149cm [we thought he was a 14.2 show pony] and now stands well over 158 and still growing, the 13h was by a 12.2 we got life height at 13h but at 9 he was 139cm. Looking at my mares line, she should herself have made well over 16h but at 4 she was 14.1 & i have a 2 year old out of her by a 16h and he is 15h now but i wouldnt take bets on what size he will end...so just check out the maternal line of any youngsters you buy, you wont then be so suprised if they measure out!!!
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Post by fatcob on May 21, 2011 8:53:27 GMT
junp4joy. The JMB secretary says that your experience of growing after 4 yrs is extremely rare, yet time and time again we see that this is not the case. Look at all the horses and ponies measured out. Unless of course it is the vets who are crooked. Now I would have thought that it is more likely that the horses have grown, after all would you risk your livelihood for a £50 height certificate?
So if your experience is not so rare then what are these growing animals to do? If I have a 14.2hh AHC measured pony I think I should feel confident and entitled to expect that for THAT YEAR I can safely show my animal without being challenged and having to remeasure DURING the season. I fully accept that checks and balances need to be made ( using the challenge system if necessary), but why cannot the remeasure take place say after October and before March? This would avoid strategic objecting ( which is despicable) and allow me to show and enjoy my horse for that year.
A challenge in the middle of the season can effectively wipe out your show season given how early show entries close.
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Post by conniegirl on Jun 2, 2011 14:21:06 GMT
I firmly believe that any horse should be able to remeasure mid season. My ponies will easily measure in when in full show condition.
So people are welcome to strategicly object to my lot, it wont get them anywhere as all I need to do is take shoes off and make my way to the measuring pad.
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Post by dancingqueen on Jun 6, 2011 11:26:22 GMT
JMB Secretary, I read on the JMB Website today that several ponies have been recalled for measurement, three of which are Scottish, and all produced from home. When an animal is recalled for measurement does the owner have the right to choose which pad their ponies are remeasured or does the JMB allocate the nearest pad to where the animal is kept? Also can a producer prepare and take an animal for remeasurement even although the animal in question is not on their yard?
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Post by sallie on Jun 6, 2011 11:35:02 GMT
Yeah Dancing queen i too was wondering if you are allowed to put it to a pro to get measured, also if they do will that null and void any Home produced classes
so please jmb sec can you gives us the views on this
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Post by jmbsec on Jun 6, 2011 15:15:48 GMT
JMB Secretary, I read on the JMB Website today that several ponies have been recalled for measurement, three of which are Scottish, and all produced from home. When an animal is recalled for measurement does the owner have the right to choose which pad their ponies are remeasured or does the JMB allocate the nearest pad to where the animal is kept? Also can a producer prepare and take an animal for remeasurement even although the animal in question is not on their yard? The owner does not choose the pad and the JMB can allocate any pad. Can a producer prepare and take the animal for meas? Yes. We have no idea where the animal is normally kept or whether it is professionally produced when we notify an owner that a re-m is required. |
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 6, 2011 16:40:17 GMT
How does a produce "prepare" an animal for remeasurement and how much does that cost?
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Post by sallie on Jun 7, 2011 7:09:41 GMT
Dear JMBSEC does it not concern the JMB that if say a pony is recalled and is in Scotland , that it is then remeasured in the South , does this not flag up concerns as to why a pony/horse has to travel far away to be remeasured - as we have all been led to believe that certain people can get your pony measured at any cost, i most likely have pit this a wrong way and will get shot down IN flames
i think if the pony/horse is home produced it should be measured at a pad near its home , and if the pony/ horse does not live with the owner again it should be measured at the nearest pad to its stable
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Post by jmbsec on Jun 8, 2011 10:28:02 GMT
Dear JMBSEC does it not concern the JMB that if say a pony is recalled and is in Scotland , that it is then remeasured in the South , does this not flag up concerns as to why a pony/horse has to travel far away to be remeasured - as we have all been led to believe that certain people can get your pony measured at any cost, i most likely have pit this a wrong way and will get shot down IN flames i think if the pony/horse is home produced it should be measured at a pad near its home , and if the pony/ horse does not live with the owner again it should be measured at the nearest pad to its stable We have no idea where any animal lives. Many owners employ producers that may mean the animal concerned is many miles from the owner's home. We are always concerned when we suspect an animal has gone anywhere to be "prepared" but have only found any evidence of improper preparation (eg paring the feet back to far) on a handful of occasions. If we required the animal to be re-measured near it's owner's home then it would simply be transported there on the day from wherever it had been living previously. |
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Post by sallie on Jun 8, 2011 11:33:34 GMT
Dear JMB Sec
thank you for taking the time to reply to my concerns, you have eased my worries a little
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Post by dancingqueen on Jun 8, 2011 13:21:47 GMT
It would seem that if one has plenty of money one would be able to send one's animal to a producer to be prepared for re-m. Not everyone in the horseworld can afford to send their animal to a producer for re-m; I'm taking a wild guess that it would be around £200 basic per week. Are the rich at an advantage again? As I mentioned in a previous post I know of a pony which last year was presented for its FHC from home and measured out of the class. The new owners managed to get it re-measured this year and it measured under 122 cm! The pony in question was in a producers yard.
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Post by jmbsec on Jun 8, 2011 16:01:40 GMT
It would seem that if one has plenty of money one would be able to send one's animal to a producer to be prepared for re-m. Not everyone in the horseworld can afford to send their animal to a producer for re-m; I'm taking a wild guess that it would be around £200 basic per week. Are the rich at an advantage again? As I mentioned in a previous post I know of a pony which last year was presented for its FHC from home and measured out of the class. The new owners managed to get it re-measured this year and it measured under 122 cm! The pony in question was in a producers yard. What was the name of the 122.0cm pony? I am pretty relaxed about "preparation" for measuring. Other than training the animal to stand quietly and in the required position while someone with a measuring stick is hovering about , there is not much anybody can do. The referees ensure the feet are OK and that the animal is in decent condition. There a lot of old wives tales, almost all rubbish, and I am sure some preparers sell themselves rather like snake-oil salesman. Unless owners are particularly non-horsey or cannot be bothered to do some work at home I think their money is wasted. |
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Post by Springclassic on Jun 30, 2011 20:30:16 GMT
Where can i take my pony to be measured? I live in cheshire can someone post some places and contact numbers.
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Post by jmbsec on Jun 30, 2011 21:05:31 GMT
Where can i take my pony to be measured? I live in cheshire can someone post some places and contact numbers. Why not look at the list on the JMB website (www.thejmbonline.co.uk) - click on the tag "Official Measurers". |
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