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Post by Springclassic on Jun 30, 2011 21:38:08 GMT
I have but dont seem to be getting through to anyone when i ring the numbers....i have the number now for the nantwich vet group
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Post by tuppence on Jul 5, 2011 16:54:29 GMT
I have a seven year old horse that has never been measured. I know she needs one AHC before she can go for her FHC. Do these have to be 12 months apart or can I take her now and go again for her FHC in January?
I am only asking because at the moment she is not shod and the "shoes off- shoes on" is a bit of a pain with my farrier.
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Post by jmbsec on Jul 5, 2011 19:24:54 GMT
I have a seven year old horse that has never been measured. I know she needs one AHC before she can go for her FHC. Do these have to be 12 months apart or can I take her now and go again for her FHC in January? I am only asking because at the moment she is not shod and the "shoes off- shoes on" is a bit of a pain with my farrier. Annual certs expire on 31st December so, yes, your horse can have a measurement for a full cert in January |
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jul 8, 2011 6:41:12 GMT
My Welsh Cob has already qualified for HOYS for this year, does this mean I've to take him to a different vet to measure him as he already has been measure by my own vet in 2009 (he got his own place for measurement, level floor) or it''s ok go to same vet again and again?  uummm I think he will have a Life Cert this time as he is 7 now ? |
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Post by deejay on Jul 8, 2011 9:29:02 GMT
Hi wiltshireman You will need to get him measured again which will be his life cert as he is 7. You will have to go to a different JMB vet this time. Not sure if you can go to the same practice with a different JMB vet, but most practices only have the one vet qualified to do the measures. You will need to get it done asap as the entries for HOYS are staggered and the early qualifiers usually close end of July. Hope this helps  |
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 8, 2011 14:05:33 GMT
My Welsh Cob has already qualified for HOYS for this year, does this mean I've to take him to a different vet to measure him as he already has been measure by my own vet in 2000 (he got his own place for measurement, level floor) or it''s ok go to same vet again and again? uummm I think he will have a Life Cert this time as he is 7 now ? Do you really mean the year 2000? You will find the list of Measuring Vets and their locations on the JMB Website. |
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jul 8, 2011 17:54:06 GMT
My Welsh Cob has already qualified for HOYS for this year, does this mean I've to take him to a different vet to measure him as he already has been measure by my own vet in 2000 (he got his own place for measurement, level floor) or it''s ok go to same vet again and again? uummm I think he will have a Life Cert this time as he is 7 now ? Do you really mean the year 2000? Oppss sorry as I've slipped my finger as it should be 2009  You will find the list of Measuring Vets and their locations on the JMB Website. |
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Jul 8, 2011 18:02:19 GMT
Hi wiltshireman You will need to get him measured again which will be his life cert as he is 7. You will have to go to a different JMB vet this time. Not sure if you can go to the same practice with a different JMB vet, but most practices only have the one vet qualified to do the measures. You will need to get it done asap as the entries for HOYS are staggered and the early qualifiers usually close end of July. Hope this helps [/quote Thank you deejay. I've found another practice only 15 miles away, thanks goodness for that, we have been booked next Thursday so it should be ok by the time HOYS entries close also I've spoke and explained to Secretary of HOYS and she said don't worry if it been few days late ( I wonder if I should believe her  ) |
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Post by deejay on Jul 8, 2011 21:01:45 GMT
Wiltshire Man, we had the same problem a few years ago. Qualified for HOYS at the end of June without having a height certificate. Had a few problems with local JMB vets being away on holiday but we did manage to get the pony measured quite quickly. I phoned HOYS and explained that the certificate may not be back in time for the close of entries and they were very understanding, said to send the entry anyway with a covering note saying that the HC would be forwarded when it came back from the JMB. If you pay the extra fee to the JMB they will post it back to you within a few days. Don't worry you will definitely be at HOYS. Best of luck, hope to be there as well (still doing the qualifiers |
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 8, 2011 22:12:45 GMT
With the post as it is, sending any valuable documentation by recorded/signed for mail is well worth the extra pennies!
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Post by jmbsec on Jul 9, 2011 9:38:24 GMT
Wiltshire Man, we had the same problem a few years ago. Qualified for HOYS at the end of June without having a height certificate. Had a few problems with local JMB vets being away on holiday but we did manage to get the pony measured quite quickly. I phoned HOYS and explained that the certificate may not be back in time for the close of entries and they were very understanding, said to send the entry anyway with a covering note saying that the HC would be forwarded when it came back from the JMB. If you pay the extra fee to the JMB they will post it back to you within a few days. Don't worry you will definitely be at HOYS. Best of luck, hope to be there as well (still doing the qualifiers We aim to process measurements within 5 working days. It is often less than 5 days. The extra fee is for return by Royal Mail special delivery, not "fast-track" - there is no such service offered by the JMB. The commonest reason for delays are: measurer slow to post stuff to us, incorrect or no docs sent to us and wrong fee sent to us. We have a good relationship with the societies/shows and most will ask, via email, for confirmation of measurements. Of course, we can only do this if we have received the measurement application. Best advice I can give is do not leave it to the last minute. |
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Post by housekeeper on Jul 14, 2011 15:46:35 GMT
There seems to be confusion over exactly where measurement should be taken from. Is it the highest point of the withers, the point of the shoulder or the 5th vertebrae up? Apparently not even all jmb official vets agree on this, which could explain a lot of confusion.
JMB Sec, could you please give us the official answer?
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Post by jmbsec on Jul 14, 2011 21:15:24 GMT
There seems to be confusion over exactly where measurement should be taken from. Is it the highest point of the withers, the point of the shoulder or the 5th vertebrae up? Apparently not even all jmb official vets agree on this, which could explain a lot of confusion. JMB Sec, could you please give us the official answer? There is no confusion. I do not accept that any official measurer is not aware of such an important rule. Rule 35.9 has existed since we were measuring dinosaurs and states that: " The measurement must be taken at the highest point of the withers, (i.e. immediately above the spinous process of the 5th thoracic vertebra), which at the discretion of the Official Measurer or Referees, may be identified, by palpation and if necessary be marked before any measurements are made. All the rules are on our website www.thejmbonline.co.ukWho are the vets that do not agree? |
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Post by housekeeper on Jul 15, 2011 7:16:29 GMT
I will contact you on messages!
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Post by tuppence on Oct 30, 2011 18:41:01 GMT
I really enjoyed Dr Bertie Ellis' talk at the Showing Council Confernce today.
I was most interested by two things
1. The quality/environment of the pad
There are three pads within an hour's travel of me. One is lovely and quiet, all enclosed and very peaceful. There other two are basically in carports on windy hillsides. Obviously, I believe I get a better shot at the true height on the best pad.
Vet's don't get much money per measurement and I, for one, would be prepared to pay more if vets were required to have better facilities.
2. The time taken to achieve relaxed height.
Bertie said horses relax within the first 20 minutes and don't really relax much more after that. At one of my local pads I feel very pressured by the vet to get it over and done with, and certainly would not be able/confident enough to tell him he owes me 20 mins to allow my horses to relax.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 31, 2011 8:08:44 GMT
Yes, Dr Ellis spoke well, particularly considering there was a major glitch in the PC system and he bravely continued without the backup of his PPP for most of his time slot!
I was surprised that there were so few questions for him from the floor.
Tuppence, if those pads are as you say, it would be wise to mention your concerns directly to the JMB's helpful Secretaries.
CMN
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Post by jmbsec on Jan 17, 2012 18:40:20 GMT
Would owners and agents presenting animals for measurement ensure that the name of the animal written on the form and that the owner or agent declares is correct is the name printed in the animal's passport.
Any correction does trigger a fee of £100.00.
Both the requirement to write the correct name and the fee to correct any error is printed on the form.
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Post by gossipgirl on Jan 24, 2012 13:33:00 GMT
Is it correct that there is only one measuring pad in Cheshire? Somerford Park dont seem to do it anymore and Burgess measures in Malpas.
Many Thanks
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Post by jmbsec on Jan 24, 2012 22:32:14 GMT
Is it correct that there is only one measuring pad in Cheshire? Somerford Park dont seem to do it anymore and Burgess measures in Malpas. Many Thanks No, have a look at our website: www.thejmbonline.co.uk , Offiical Measurers tab. |
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Post by jmbsec on Feb 25, 2012 10:02:19 GMT
I witnessed a pony being measured which was most definately not 153cm, which belonged to a friend, and the pony was sold to the other end of the country and has now been re-measured 3.5cms smaller making it it 153 now, will the JMG Pick up on this...this animal is now in my class, and it makes me mad to think that I know categorically it does not measure 153. What is the horse's name? |
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Post by broodymare on Feb 25, 2012 15:29:03 GMT
go throuh the official channels and put your 600 pounds down !! and get it remeasured. Thats what seems to be the normal way, i dont think its fair to name the horse on here, if you have a problem deal with it in an official manner.
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Post by conniegirl on Feb 29, 2012 11:32:20 GMT
brrody mare, not all of us have £600 available, let alone £600 to risk loseing.
I know I certainly couldnt afford to pay £600 to object even if I Knew for a fact I'd get my money back simply because I dont have that much money available.
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Post by broodymare on Feb 29, 2012 23:04:50 GMT
absoluttly conniegirls i know that i dont have it either but what im saying is that if people are going to start putting names of horse/ponies on here cause they think they are over height then a whole can of worms will be opened up, thats all. and thats not fair cause it causes a great deal of stress and trouble untill proven guilty,
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Post by wanabee on Mar 13, 2012 9:49:24 GMT
Just started a new thread then saw this one, i wonder if someone can answer this for me?? The pony has had a troubled past, and if nervous of new places, and also strangers. (she is however very talented, and once ridden around at shows etc he settles somewhat) He can be like this one day, and the next much much more normal!! The worry is that when he goes to be measured he wont be fully relaxed, and probably rather tense. If he wont settle enough to get the height we hoped for, what happens? Can i try another vets, on another day? Do i have to accept the height he first measures, or can i hope that on another day with diff vet he settles more? Sorry for all the question, have been on jmb website but cannot seem to find the answers i need. Thanks Read more: horsegossip.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=119564#ixzz1ozN0tLGh |
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Post by jmbsec on Mar 13, 2012 16:51:41 GMT
Just started a new thread then saw this one, i wonder if someone can answer this for me?? The pony has had a troubled past, and if nervous of new places, and also strangers. (she is however very talented, and once ridden around at shows etc he settles somewhat) He can be like this one day, and the next much much more normal!! The worry is that when he goes to be measured he wont be fully relaxed, and probably rather tense. If he wont settle enough to get the height we hoped for, what happens? Can i try another vets, on another day? Do i have to accept the height he first measures, or can i hope that on another day with diff vet he settles more? Sorry for all the question, have been on jmb website but cannot seem to find the answers i need. Thanks Read more: horsegossip.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=119564#ixzz1ozN0tLGhThe JMB rules state that the height recorded by the measurer must be the "lowest truly relaxed height." If that cannot be achieved because, eg, the animal is not settled, then the measurer must either allow more time or tell the owner to come back another day. The measurer may make a charge for an abandoned measurement. If, in the measurer's opinion, the lowest truly relaxed height has been recorded then that height will stand, despite it possibly being other than that desired by the owner. |
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Post by admonished on Apr 24, 2012 13:28:39 GMT
Now that HOYS rules have been "published" can you advise please.
According to your rules, an objection can be made to a pony at any time. According to theirs, this is not the case.
4. An animal which has qualified for the Horse of the Year Show which subsequently measures out of the class for which it has qualified, will then be ineligible to compete at any Horse of the Year Show qualifiers for the remainder of that season and previous qualification for that year will be rescinded. Any re-measurements must be completed at least seven working days before the commencement of the Horse of the Year Show. Any objection to a Height Certificate must be received by the JMB no later than 2 clear working days after the last Horse Of The Year Show qualifier
So, if I am not signed up to their rules (ie not a competitor) I can object to a pony at any time but if I have signed up, I can't object in the period specified above.
Could you clarify - not that I am thinking of objecting by the way - just find HOYS rather exasperating
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Post by jmbsec on Apr 27, 2012 11:07:12 GMT
Now that HOYS rules have been "published" can you advise please. According to your rules, an objection can be made to a pony at any time. According to theirs, this is not the case. 4. An animal which has qualified for the Horse of the Year Show which subsequently measures out of the class for which it has qualified, will then be ineligible to compete at any Horse of the Year Show qualifiers for the remainder of that season and previous qualification for that year will be rescinded. Any re-measurements must be completed at least seven working days before the commencement of the Horse of the Year Show. Any objection to a Height Certificate must be received by the JMB no later than 2 clear working days after the last Horse Of The Year Show qualifier So, if I am not signed up to their rules (ie not a competitor) I can object to a pony at any time but if I have signed up, I can't object in the period specified above. Could you clarify - not that I am thinking of objecting by the way - just find HOYS rather exasperating JMB rules state that you can only object if you have competed in a class with the suspect animal wthin 21 days of the class you were both in. The HOYS rules go further and are in addition to ours for those people that are subject to them. |
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Post by jmbsec on Apr 27, 2012 11:13:54 GMT
The JMB office will be processing height certificate applications only for the period 5th May to 28th May 2012.
There will only be limited capacity to deal with errors, mistakes and omissions on forms, certificates and cheques, so please ensure you check what you and the measurer write on forms.
All other tranactions will be dealt with when the office reopens.
The telephones will not be manned.
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Post by colourful on Apr 27, 2012 14:55:57 GMT
Can you please advise the cost of a Gold Certificate, looked on the website and cant find it . Many thanks
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Post by jmbsec on Apr 27, 2012 22:25:56 GMT
Can you please advise the cost of a Gold Certificate, looked on the website and cant find it . Many thanks It's there: rule 26.2 under administration. £500.00. |
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uummm I think he will have a Life Cert this time as he is 7 now ?
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