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Post by penny h on Jul 17, 2009 17:22:42 GMT
No problem. Its quite hard sometimes to phrase posts so as to get a point across without offending people or it being read in a different way x
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 17, 2009 17:36:13 GMT
I must admit I had picked things up in the same way as wednesday as the responses to anything closely related to a critisism were swiftly and firmly delivered in the defensive. I had exactly the same impression. It just goes to show you can get the wrong perception from the written word unless you ask as wednesday did.
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 17, 2009 20:11:31 GMT
So many times you find that folk are - maybe - over sensitive.
Don't be. In this instance, it's just that I'm kind of oldish and have 'been around a bit', if you'll pardon the pun. (Well, a lot, actually!) Wt'tshirt xx
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 17, 2009 21:16:08 GMT
No, I'm 'not surprised' either. That's seemingly the way of the world.
Which is why I stick out for what is correct and good. How people can do that (and, in a round about way, do it not only to other people's but also to their own child) beggars belief.
But then, there are folk who still are sadly under the illusion that no-one ever does anything 'wrong' (my words).
Modified as the post by "not surprised" regarding oversized 122.00 ponies has mysteriously dissappeared. Just to let you know.
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 17, 2009 21:27:50 GMT
worntheteeshirt, which post are you replying to, I am confused.
By the way I am old too.
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Post by roseview on Jul 17, 2009 21:31:49 GMT
Having looked at the JMB site and researched some of the named ponies on it, I find it appalling that some of them are almost 6cm over the height for the classes they have recently been shown in!! This doesn't just apply to those ponies with annual certificates but to those with full ones as well!!
The measuring system is clearly flawed and I cannot see that it is worth paying to have a pony measured if it is not accurately and honestly done by the vets. Why do vets mismeasure when their reputation is at stake?
I don't want to get into whether owners are deliberately cheating or whether many of them have been misled when buying ponies but these recent events have surely brought the system into disrepute.
Do away with splitting classes by height and do it by age of rider instead, then there is no opportunity to cheat. Or is there?!!
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 17, 2009 21:35:07 GMT
Ref previous post - well, it came on here, name of "not suprised", a male newbie member since 2007, and talked about 122's being seen on the JMB website as much bigger, but some of them he thought were smallish (my words) compared to others in the class. So, I replied as you can see. But, in the meanwhile, the post dissappeared.
As I'm not clever enough to dissappear my post, I now feel a proper charlie!!
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Post by shy talk on Jul 18, 2009 11:00:35 GMT
Apologies, yes I was commenting on a pony that competed against one of our's in a 122cm class that has now measured out but when I rechecked it had actually only measured out by a few cm's not many cm's as I originally thought, so thats a shame, although it did look quite big in the class although by no means the biggest. I tried to modify my OP but my comp went wonky so I deleted it as I was mistaken and didn't want to cause unnessary offence.
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 18, 2009 11:23:12 GMT
You didn't offend at all, just thought worntheteeshirt had been on the cherry.
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 18, 2009 13:25:30 GMT
So did I!!
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Post by 4emms on Jul 22, 2009 13:32:58 GMT
the JMBonline site has been updated and it seems that Team Parry/Dagcol Ponies Rotherwood Crackerjack has measured at 126.5cm. So, from the earlier posts is that going to cause a problem? I thought you could ride a 12.2 in children's classes, or is it different at higher levels?
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Post by fayeandash on Jul 22, 2009 13:56:37 GMT
nmc, for show pony lead rein and first ridden the max. height for bsps is 122cm, i don't think this will be a problem for them as they said they bought him for 128 cm show pony classes, they can still do the lead rein and first ridden at local level as most have a height limit of 128cm
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Post by 4emms on Jul 22, 2009 14:24:00 GMT
Thanks Faye. I thought it was 128 as I'm sure I read it on UK Showing that LR & FR are upto 128cm. Is 128 the modern equivalent of the old 12.2h?
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Post by ponymadmum on Jul 27, 2009 12:55:53 GMT
Quite a few have measured out and not by a small margin. I feel sorry for the people who have bought a pony/horse who they genuinely believed to be the height as shown on their cert-I for one would probably be too trustworthy of people not to question anything as I know that when I have had my ponies measured in the past I expect the certificate to be correct-obviously I am very naive!!!
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 27, 2009 17:14:31 GMT
If as you rightly say they have measured out by more than a small margin, then it would have been perfectly obvious to anyone doing affiliated showing that they are overheight or possibly so. The onus would then be on the buyer to have the height checked in the same way they should have the pony vetted.
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Post by silkwood on Jul 27, 2009 17:50:50 GMT
shame galtree park didn/t. i believe he has been sold. i stand corrected if this is not the case.
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Post by shp2 on Jul 27, 2009 19:33:53 GMT
no this is not true we still have galtee park (fergie) and she is now doing int
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Post by masters on Jul 27, 2009 20:22:31 GMT
Shame Galtee Park went over but she will be a fantastic int, stunning horse.
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Post by trends on Jul 27, 2009 20:34:16 GMT
She is stunning. Wish you every success in the Int.
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Post by shp2 on Jul 27, 2009 20:35:15 GMT
thank you i hope so too, she is such a lovely mare to have, im so lucky, i cant wait to get her back out
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jul 28, 2009 7:19:32 GMT
shp2 I think silkwood was saying that it was a shame she didnt measure as a 15 hander which is what she has been shown as previously, but I agree she will also be a lovely intermediate. Another one who was quite a lot over her original measurement thou ! You do have to start to wonder at all these over height animals. It would be interesting to know how many were measured in Essex or if there are other vets who are to blame as well.
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 28, 2009 7:45:37 GMT
Why on earth do people think it is a "shame" a horse/pony measures bigger? It's a shame if a horse gets injured or poorly, not if the thing grows! It simply moves to another class that's all, it isn't a problem! If it is a lovely horse it remains a lovely horse. All this "oh my god" if it is not bang on the maximum height is what is causing the trying to get it to fit in a lower height class.
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 28, 2009 11:09:02 GMT
Why on earth do people think it is a "shame" a horse/pony measures bigger? It's a shame if a horse gets injured or poorly, not if the thing grows! It simply moves to another class that's all, it isn't a problem! If it is a lovely horse it remains a lovely horse. All this "oh my god" if it is not bang on the maximum height is what is causing the trying to get it to fit in a lower height class. Sageandonion, that's very well said! Personally, I have little sympathy for the people who tried to get their animals 'smaller', but I do really feel for those who's ponies and horses have been beaten by the numerous 'too tall' ones, whilst they were being masqueraded (in the wrong catagory) as something that they wern't.
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Post by ziggy on Jul 29, 2009 10:18:44 GMT
alot of people buy horses (spending alot of money) with a height certificate, maybe even life height. i feel sorry for these 'new' owners when the horses are then called for remeasurement and measure out of the class intended for it. i for one will be sure to take a measuring stick when going to look at a horse to buy in the future!!
i agree with the crack down on overheight ponies.. but i do feel measuring half way through the season is certain individuals way of getting rid of the 'competition'.
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jul 29, 2009 14:15:58 GMT
i agree with the crack down on overheight ponies.. but i do feel measuring half way through the season is certain individuals way of getting rid of the 'competition'. but surely the height restrictions for the classes are on the day of the Show. It doesnt say must not exceed whatever in January does it!
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 29, 2009 19:08:56 GMT
i agree with the crack down on overheight ponies.. but i do feel measuring half way through the season is certain individuals way of getting rid of the 'competition'. but surely the height restrictions for the classes are on the day of the Show. It doesnt say must not exceed whatever in January does it! Not quite sure what you mean here - the showing Societies make the rules (ie. not to exceed ?? height) and the animal then is measured (at any time of year) prior to being granted it's Annual Showing Registration. It is assumed that it will remain at the height for which it has been Annually Registered.
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jul 29, 2009 19:29:08 GMT
maybe i didnt explain that very well. What I meant was when you look a schedule , it says not to exceed a certain height - surely it means then not months before, therefore a pony should be the correct height so whatever time of year it is measured it should be the height for the class.
I know thats very 'wordy' . . . . .
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jul 29, 2009 20:11:48 GMT
Now I understand, and I agree completely!
My mother used to come out with a strange statement:- "if a cat was meant to be born in a kipper tin, then it would be born a kipper, not a kitten".
In other words, (I think) don't try to make something it's not!!
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jul 29, 2009 20:20:00 GMT
wornthetshirt - you put that much better than I did!!!!
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Post by rebrebreb06 on Jul 29, 2009 20:20:46 GMT
How can that be petty, when worntheshirt , I believe is a steward present at re-measurements? Once again JMB and BSPS need to be up-front and open about what is going on, not hiding behind anything they can!
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