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Post by dancer on Sept 18, 2009 20:53:58 GMT
It is a costly hobby so if you don't want to pay the associated fess why bother trying to qualify? & if the ponies belong to 'owners' then why won't they pay for 2 night's stabling? surely if they are having the ponies produced then this is part of the 'entry fees', they can't pick & choose which bits they're willing to pay for.
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Post by oldchapel on Sept 18, 2009 22:05:33 GMT
WELL SOMEONE HAS GOT TO PAY FOR THE SHOW JUMPERS !! Don't think this is a very nice thing to say! The showjumpers work very hard at their job. And showing people don't?!?! But I beleive that most of the expenses are paid for the SJers as they are the crowd pullers.  From reading some of the comments I have read on this site I have come to the conclusion that many of the members here are very narrow minded and don't live in the real world. They gripe about the judges, the costs, etc.! why do they bother to do it? There have been harsh comments about the showjumpers - regarding their tack, showing people subsidising the showjumpers, etc. Personally I would like to see some of the competitors who compete in showing classes take part in a jumping competition, what a laugh one could have. I have watched the M&M classes during this year, from what I have seen many exhibitors shows are no better than what would be seen in a FR class. Showing people before passing comment that they subsidise the showjumpers should remember that the showjumping at any show provide the entertainment. Showing only booste the ego of the rider/owner. One could say it's as interesting as watching paint dry! |
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Post by hopeteam on Sept 19, 2009 7:22:49 GMT
Showing people before passing comment that they subsidise the showjumpers should remember that the showjumping at any show provide the entertainment. Showing only booste the ego of the rider/owner. One could say it's as interesting as watching paint dry![/quote]
OldChapel - You have criticised people for being "Narrow Minded" Now who is being narrow minded by saying showing is like watching paint Dry ?
Showing is not to boost the Ego of the Rider/Owner, You would be correct in saying that they are very proud of thier ponies for achieving a HOYS Placing and You would have the right to be proud in this situation ..
Showing Might not be your favourite thing but Please dont try and undermine the quality of riders, by making a comparison of Open Class Riders & FR Riders, Because in actual Fact, No-one is perfect but these people riding at HOYS will not be as you are describing them!
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Post by gypsy1 on Sept 19, 2009 8:40:27 GMT
I have always found HOYS disappointing when actually there , the cost , the stabling , lack of facilities to do the horses properly , the times and hours of the classes .
It's the buzz all season of trying to Qualify that i really enjoy and arriving at HOYS .
So enjoy it .
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Post by sallyw on Sept 19, 2009 10:01:45 GMT
We have one stable left for the whole or part of HOYS. Private yard less than 10mins from NEC. Turnout in small seperate paddock also available. As recommended by Charliebear and rl!!
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Post by solo on Sept 19, 2009 10:19:52 GMT
The first time of qualifying for HOYS was great, the second even better. Subsequent times it seemed more like a compulsion to do it. Each actual HOYS became less & less fun but I still felt we had to do it. Fortunately I shook off this 'compulsive disorder' & now only attend qualifiers that are relatively close by & are at shows we have always gone too. It's become no big deal- much easier on the pocket! I also think that some HOYS line ups were barking & that not all the ponies going deserve to. I suspect that getting older has made me more mellow. A win at a County Show now is just as much fun & a lot cheaper! Trouble is you've got to get HOYS to see what I mean!
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Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 19, 2009 10:42:21 GMT
Solo, thats absolutely right and very well put! I like the 'mellowed with age' bit!
I once wrote a witty ditty (but sort of serious, too) entitled "The Road to Wembley" - if I can find it I'll bung it on here when I get a minute. It actually got published, too!!
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Post by try on Sept 19, 2009 12:32:44 GMT
i would like to reply to the person that said "why dont the owners pay for 2 days stabling" as most ponies are produced. What about the likes of us, who show one, maybe two ponies, cant afford to chase qualifiers all round the country and only go to three qualifiers a year at most as they are within striking distance of us and actually manage to qualify?? We show our ponies on a shoestring budget, do and pay for everything ourselves including a large pot of paint to "tart" our lorry up to go to HOYS so we dont feel too much like the country bumpkins we truly are! When we have to pay £130 for two nights stabling on top of the entry fees because our class falls "between" two days stabling times it does add a whole lot more onto the bill! NOT everybody has their ponies produced, some of us do it for the love of it and to be "hands on"and this ploy to get even more money out of us doesnt go un-noticed!
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Post by ShowPonies&Shetlands on Sept 19, 2009 13:13:42 GMT
as a fellow country bumkin, i agree with try! however, i have never managed to even get near a HOYS qualifier and if i ever had a pony that i qualified for HOYS, i would ask my friend to ride it at HOYS - i would die of nerves! the day showing stops being fun, is the day you should stop showing is my opinion.
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Post by whocares on Sept 19, 2009 13:15:17 GMT
What a lot of whingers you are.
I believe HOYS actually belongs to the BSJA, and certainly the jumping classes maker a far contribution to the economic viability of the show.
The HOYS schedule has been available for for months with stabling prices.If you did not want to pay to go why not let someone else qualify.
In our family we have a policy that if a child has the good luck to qualify once, we do not go again and thus try to preserve the magic.
This year will be an unexpected exception to the rule and we are going because our youngest child(15) is out of ponies and it will be a great finale.We attended only one show and did not belong to any showing societies. Our support team ( one 13 year old girl) has never been before and is already losing sleep with excitement.So our are friends doing PPC and sj finals who have never been before.
3 passes for the entry fee is very good value. If you are lucky enough to be going, thank your lucky stars and cut the ungracious behaviour.
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Post by try on Sept 19, 2009 16:17:51 GMT
HOYS actually belongs to Grandstand Media not the BSJA and i would agree they make a fair contribution to the show, but i also believe that the showjumpers are paid expenses if not actually paid to compete. Also their prize money is exhorbitent compared to the showing classes. I believe if you win a showing class you take home just in excess of what you paid to enter(not including stabling costs), not thousands of pounds like the showjumpers.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but i feel the stabling point(winge!) is a very just one!
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 19, 2009 17:06:32 GMT
goodness me, this is all getting a bit too much.
Firstly, the pioint I was trying to get across is that the management at HOYS have altered the stabling times which means you have to pay for 2 nights really no matter what time your in the ring which I think is unfair. ( also just found out our 2nd ride in time is 3 hours after our class - work that one out)
Secondly - we are in no way moaning about anything else.
Yes, it is a great achievement and priviledge to go to HOYS with 3 ponies. also as many of you know it takes an enourmous amount of hard work dedication, cost and most of all knowledge and experience to get and keep a pony to this standard.
One person commented on being let down by a friend to go to a local show with transport. Well, unfortunately, like most of us, we re mortgage, take out loans, get second jobs and forgoe lifes luxuries like holidays and nice new shoes/clothes etc to be able to fund our lorries etc. My best friend actually sold her house in order to buy a decent lorry to take her daughter round the circuits. So dont gripe about not having transport, do what the rest of us do and suffer the financial loss of buying and keeping on one the road.
I also think that the remark regarding show jumpers was possibly tongue in cheek - we have friends who are top class SJ's and know only too well the hard work and dedication that also takes. I think the point being made was that the prize money is considerably better than that for show ponies. And yes, I agree, they are the crowd pullers, but spare a thought for the show ponies/horses as well.
Lets face it, whatever dicipline you take part in regarding horses/ponies, its hard work, expensive for often little reward, but we keep doing it as its our one love and like everyone else, wants to take that 1st prize.
So see you all at HOYS and the very best of luck to all, show jumpers and show ponies/horses alike
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Post by dancer on Sept 19, 2009 17:41:00 GMT
i would like to reply to the person that said "why dont the owners pay for 2 days stabling" as most ponies are produced. What about the likes of us, who show one, maybe two ponies, cant afford to chase qualifiers all round the country and only go to three qualifiers a year at most as they are within striking distance of us and actually manage to qualify?? We show our ponies on a shoestring budget, do and pay for everything ourselves including a large pot of paint to "tart" our lorry up to go to HOYS so we dont feel too much like the country bumpkins we truly are! When we have to pay £130 for two nights stabling on top of the entry fees because our class falls "between" two days stabling times it does add a whole lot more onto the bill! NOT everybody has their ponies produced, some of us do it for the love of it and to be "hands on"and this ploy to get even more money out of us doesnt go un-noticed! What I actually said was " why won't the owners pay for 2 nights" stabling in reply to someone saying that 'owners won't pay for the extra night' & I 'd say the same to owners of any HP ponies that qualify - if you don't want to pay the fees then why do you try to qualify? As you said it's not cheap & like everything in life you have to live within your means - if you can't afford it or just don't want to pay it then why bother?  ?? |
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Post by sageandonion on Sept 19, 2009 17:46:38 GMT
To be honest, dancer is quite right.
Also for those people who do it just for the children, why not try the fancy dress, gymkana, pony club and all the other things that children really do love and have fun at.
Sometimes parent's have to face up to it and admit they actually do it for themselves, not for the children. I was guilty of that too and it took me a long time to admit I was living my dream through my child. Now I do it for me.
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Post by dancer on Sept 19, 2009 17:49:22 GMT
Thanks sageandonion.
I also meant to say that I'd happily pay an extra £65 to give my child the chance to ride at HOYS - sometimes there are more important things in life to worry about.
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Post by sageandonion on Sept 19, 2009 17:49:29 GMT
Sorry, but I just read this. Someone actually sold their house to pay for lorry etc to go to HOYS. You have a serious problem really you need to see someone to sort that out.
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 19, 2009 18:09:41 GMT
This has all got out of context, you need to read the first thread again... Sageandonion, I dont think a 15 year old who has ridden at HOYS 4 times and taken supreme would be happry to dress up in a stupid costume or do gymkhanas...  |
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 19, 2009 18:12:35 GMT
p.s. my friend didnt sell her house to go to HOYS but to fund her daughter at a proffesional level. She doesnt re live her childhood through her daughter as she also has been there, done it and got the T shirt...and is now giving her daughter the opportunity to excell at top level.
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Post by hunter on Sept 19, 2009 18:50:02 GMT
i was happily informed by some show jumpers from switzerland that hoys was there favorite show ,and that they wished all shows would cover there entries and diesel and put the jockey,s and grooms up in a hotel for the duration of the show ,well no wonder they bluddy well love it !!!!!!! i had paid for most of it with my entries and stabling !!
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Post by sageandonion on Sept 19, 2009 19:06:51 GMT
Actually daisycutter the original thread was regarding children (small children) and frankly there is absolutely nothing wrong with children doing fancy dress and having fun. How insulting to those mums who spend ages making their children's costumes and dressing their ponies who look delightful. How dare you say 'stupid costumes'.
Incidentally my daughter has ridden for her country and continues to ride at a high level, no longer for GB as she has other things in her life now. However, there is no way on earth I would sell my house to pay for it.
Yes you have made me very cross as there are mums, dads and children taking great pride out of what they achieve whatever that may be and HOYS is not the be all and end all.
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 19, 2009 19:32:39 GMT
This post was not about children at all.. The thread was about stabling at HOYS not small children. You have missed th opint completely. Sorry if your annoyed, but please re read what was written
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Post by dancer on Sept 19, 2009 20:07:03 GMT
So dazycutter if you do it for the children what is the problem - didn't you look into the costs before you started?
I really don't see what the fuss is about (I know you think you're being ripped off) ....... it's a simple case of pay up or don't go but I'd guarantee there'd be a hundred people wishing they were in your place willing to pay the additional night.
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 19, 2009 20:19:41 GMT
hang on here, we do it all year round for the kids to ride to a top level. Again, the whole point of the thread was to state that you need to pay for 2 days stabling even though you are only there for 1 day...
I am sure there are a lot of people wishing they were there too...
The whole point has been missed here and its turning into a nasty thread.
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 19, 2009 20:21:14 GMT
sometimes, its not all about money, its the principle... and that was the whole point of the thread
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Post by armada on Sept 19, 2009 20:31:03 GMT
Sorry, but I just read this. Someone actually sold their house to pay for lorry etc to go to HOYS. You have a serious problem really you need to see someone to sort that out. I have it on irrefutable authority that parents of a young rider in the dressage world sold THEIR house also to be able to give their son chance to compete at top level . |
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Post by try on Sept 19, 2009 21:52:59 GMT
i would like to reply to the person that said "why dont the owners pay for 2 days stabling" as most ponies are produced. What about the likes of us, who show one, maybe two ponies, cant afford to chase qualifiers all round the country and only go to three qualifiers a year at most as they are within striking distance of us and actually manage to qualify?? We show our ponies on a shoestring budget, do and pay for everything ourselves including a large pot of paint to "tart" our lorry up to go to HOYS so we dont feel too much like the country bumpkins we truly are! When we have to pay £130 for two nights stabling on top of the entry fees because our class falls "between" two days stabling times it does add a whole lot more onto the bill! NOT everybody has their ponies produced, some of us do it for the love of it and to be "hands on"and this ploy to get even more money out of us doesnt go un-noticed! What I actually said was " why won't the owners pay for 2 nights" stabling in reply to someone saying that 'owners won't pay for the extra night' & I 'd say the same to owners of any HP ponies that qualify - if you don't want to pay the fees then why do you try to qualify? As you said it's not cheap & like everything in life you have to live within your means - if you can't afford it or just don't want to pay it then why bother? ?? Nobody said we couldnt afford it or didnt want to pay it, what i actually was making the point about is that the costs involved are high enough without being forced to pay for an extra nights stabling through the organisers moving vacation and occupancy times of the stables (as per the original thread!) We afford it by working bl**dy hard all year to pay for it all, we arent rich owners and that extra £65 is a lot to afford on top of everything else. Thats why we bother!!!!!! |
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 20, 2009 17:09:17 GMT
Well said "Try" thats exactly the point I was making
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Post by dancer on Sept 20, 2009 17:16:32 GMT
Ok so the times have been changed, you have to buy 2 nights stabling @ an extra £65, what now? You either pay to go, don't pay & waste all your effort getting there or lobby HOYS to change the times back, but are they going to listen?
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 20, 2009 17:19:34 GMT
Dancer, I hear what you are saying and yes, we will pay for another nights stabling for 3 ponies, but I do think if everyone complained to HOYS, they may change it back to how it used to be. After all, we are not all top producers with clients that dont mind the expense or have money to spare. So if anyone fancies signing a petition, PM me and I will set one up.
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Post by jinja on Sept 20, 2009 18:12:26 GMT
HOYS is special, of all the shows it is with out doubt the one we all want to go to. However the cost of everything is outrageous, stables should not be so expensive they are the same ones used at other shows but having said that no body has to have them there will be stabling close to HOYS at very reasonable rates. As for standing on the wagon all day our horses stand on the wagons at day shows so it is no worse than that. My biggest gripe has always been the outdoor working in arena, it only opens at 8 am it needs to open at 5am same as the indoor working in. This would be a real bonus as it would give people who want to work in quietly without their horses getting sweated up and exited, they only need some lighting surely with the costs we pay we should be entitled to that.
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