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Post by boreatton on Sept 21, 2009 6:30:34 GMT
my gripe is not so much of the price, although agree it is expensive, it is the fact that the gates don't open soon enough with vets on duty for 5am working in. . My working in time is 5am with two ponies to get checked in it is impossible, so although I am only 1/2 hour away we have to stay the night before.
When we had a Sec B we used to arrive at 3-4am so that we were front of the queue, the vets were never there on time and we could just about manage to get vetted, and relevant bridle pass and jockey wrist band on for 5.30 working in time, we would had the pony on the lorry tacked up waiting for the vet and would unload in the waiting bay next to the passes office. This is impossible with a 5am working in time.
We need those gates open and vets on duty for checking in all night, so that those of us with limited funds and closer to NEC can arrive on the morning.
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Post by jinja on Sept 21, 2009 16:03:46 GMT
that is a very good point why can the gates not open at 4 oclock if working in is at 5 and dont forget you have to get your pass.
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Post by hopeteam on Sept 21, 2009 17:06:03 GMT
I think DazyCutter has a valid point it is the principle,
I for one know if I was paying as much as you are for the stabling Id want my ponies to be aloud to warm up or ride in at convenient times.
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Post by fox on Sept 21, 2009 19:16:24 GMT
well, well, well, reading all of these posts... I have three ponies qual for hoys...and yes very expensive and alot of hard work to get there...
Well done Dazycutter I understand exactly where your coming from I have the same problem...I think we may be competeing against each other ...lol.... however for all you other readers, too.......
HOYS are very aware now of this problem as I and others in the same boat as myself have rung up and complained... I also need a stable long before 5pm on the day I am competing.
The people at HOYS were more than helpful and understood totally where I was coming from.
And for all you people on this thread saying we should be grateful for the ticket at HOYS, this has nothing to do with being grateful, it is called dedication, ambition and a lot of bloody hard work and knowledge.
I wonder if most of you that have slated Dazycutter , have never had a child competing at this level and have no idea the time, financial scarifice and dedication it takes to get to this level.
Yes, I can pay for 2 nights stabling, but why should I when I dont need 2 nights stabling, Dazycutter is right, its the principal of the matter.
Dazycutter - I am sure we will be compteting in the same class as your times are the same as mine, I wish you all the best of luck and bloody well done for getting there.
And by the way, I was at this level when HOYS was at Wembley 30 years ago and the RI was at the white city... I do not have to live this dream thru my child, I have already been there, this is her dream now. I will do my utmost to make her dream come true as my parents did but do not like being ripped off.
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 21, 2009 19:24:05 GMT
Fox. Nice to know you read the post correctly and understand where we are coming from. Best of luck to you and your ponies too and well done. Come and find me in the fluffy hat by the ring, we will have a glass or two to congratulate or comiserate
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Post by edward on Sept 24, 2009 11:26:17 GMT
Oh dear oh dear - Please stop wingeing. Sageandonion is quite, absolutely right - WHY DO YOU DO IT?? We do it/have done it either :- because we love it/bcause our clients wish us to do it (but, we have to love it in order to deliver for them, anyway)/for our children/ for the child in us which is reliving the dream via our poor children/because it's addictive/ etc etc. Buy the two night's stable and allow your animals to settle in to the concrete jungle. Allow your kids to get used to it, too. Enjoy. It's a long, cold winter ahead. As for the judges side of things; that is so right, too. Not what it's cracked up to be. And, the same goes for the Stewards, too. But please stop winging!!! Think of those who's dream is to have a pony, or those who have a magic HOYS SEAT Ticket purchased for them and leave with one of those HOYS the horse things under their arm. And dream of one day riding their riding school dobbin at the local gymkhana. Put things in perspective. Lecture over!! well said, i have paid and gone all over the county to try and qualify my horse for hoys and paid for my entry and stabling and a weekly pass and was really looking forward to the event , when at the eleventh hour somebody put in an objection to him to try to eliminate him from the class, how heartbreaking and dissapointing is that, im not moaning about the cost, although yes it is very expensive the stabling, tickets etc when you add it all up, but so is the whole year getting there and then this to happen, they could have done this any time during the year, but no three weeks before hoys ! i just want to get my horse there and show these low lifes that if you have to stoop that low to win then i feel very sorry for them!!! |
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Post by sophie007 on Sept 24, 2009 19:26:51 GMT
Why dont you all just stop moaning you obviously now its going to be expensive before you even enter the qualifiers
for people like me who go to nearly all the qualifiers and put in hours of hard work
we are home produced so dont waste money and we have being trying to get to hoys for years
we jus always get unlucky by having a pole down down in the workers
we all know how much it costs but we still all do it so stop moaning!!!!
you should be happy to qualify i would sell the house etc to just ride in the ring at hoys !!!
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 30, 2009 8:33:28 GMT
OMG! firstly, Dazycutter i do understand and agree with your first post. Secondly what a rude and horrid thing to say regarding fancy dress and gymkhana, well i am pleased your rider is so bloody important! We have riders that do everything from fancy dress, concours etc up to hoys and i would never ever give them the attitude that they are far too important for anything other than winning hoys! That is disgusting! As for selling a house in order to compete on the circuit, why? when a nice little 3.5 tonne box that is eqully as capable can get you round the circuit would anyone sell their house? priorities?  If people cant afford it dont do it! simple's and if you're going to moan just forget it and give more chances to people who would think sod the cost and pay anything to see their children finally achieve what they want to do instead of acting the spoilt brat about it? Rant over, sorry, off to muck out now! |
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 30, 2009 8:37:11 GMT
Also with regards to the person who made comments about liking to see showing people do the show jumping, um, i used to show jump and would love nothing more than to be in a better position of health to take it up again! as well as a better financial position, in my day i have kicked butt against the like's of the young whitakers and one of their parents wanted to buy 2 of our ponies, my child would also be more than capable of jumping any track provided at the NEC! Thank you. Showing people work just as hard as show jumpers, we just dont all get the privelidge of being sponsored!
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Post by oldchapel on Sept 30, 2009 19:56:01 GMT
Also with regards to the person who made comments about liking to see showing people do the show jumping, um, i used to show jump and would love nothing more than to be in a better position of health to take it up again! as well as a better financial position, in my day i have kicked butt against the like's of the young whitakers and one of their parents wanted to buy 2 of our ponies, my child would also be more than capable of jumping any track provided at the NEC! Thank you. Showing people work just as hard as show jumpers, we just dont all get the privelidge of being sponsored! Can't understand why members of this forum want to run down the showjumpers. Not all of them have got sponsors or have expensive lorries. Take a look at the lorries seen at the BSPS Champs. I bet you there would be as many if not more top of the range lorries there as seen at any showjumping event. |
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Post by cassie30 on Sept 30, 2009 20:22:15 GMT
Im not running any showjumper down, i spent last friday evening with a good friend of mine who is a VERY well known showjumper,chatting about his days at hoys! please, alot of the lorries i know belonging to showing people are on bloody finance!
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Post by jillaldred on Oct 1, 2009 13:45:12 GMT
can any one help.need a stabla for fri night.got one for sat .been in touch with stable manager and didnt get any where. tele 07968977224.thanks
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Post by dazycutter on Oct 3, 2009 17:16:55 GMT
OMG! firstly, Dazycutter i do understand and agree with your first post. Secondly what a rude and horrid thing to say regarding fancy dress and gymkhana, well i am pleased your rider is so bloody important! As for selling a house in order to compete on the circuit, why? when a nice little 3.5 tonne box that is eqully as capable can get you round the circuit would anyone sell their house? priorities? Rant over, sorry, off to muck out now! Hear what your saying.... but in defence, I didnt mean to be rude about fancy dress, its just that 15 years olds dont really go for that anymore ... as for a smaller lorry, yes, your right, but my pal who sold her house needed one that had full living and could sleep 3 or 4 people and is often away for days at a time ..... the whole point of this thread was to highlight the fact that HOYS been very clever with their stabling times and made it necc.. for 2 nights instead of 1... |
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 4, 2009 15:55:16 GMT
We do just fine staying away 3 0r 4 nights with a 3.5 tonne, if we really need a bigger one for more people we hire one, £420 once or maybe twice a year if totally necessary! Alot more sensible than selling your house, surely?
There are lots of older kids who still enjoy having fun you know, you sounded so very insulting with that comment,like your rider was far too important as she had been so successful !! I do hope my riders never consider themselves so important.
But yes, agree with your initial point!!
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Post by dazycutter on Oct 4, 2009 16:58:43 GMT
nothing wrong with having fun... our lot have the best fun ever at shows but no longer want to dress up or do gymkanas... we all love to see the kids doing this.... this is far removed from the initial thread. The riders I am talking about do certainly not think they are far too important as you put it. Also I did not sell my house, but I know someone who did and I can assure you they are not alone in doing this to finance the expensive world of horses. Each to their own.
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 4, 2009 21:12:34 GMT
Agreed each to their own, things people will do for showing amazes me though!
If i could work out how to do this quote thing in a box i would put here what you posted that you didnt think a jockey who has won x, y and z would be bothered about doing fancy dress, that is how it comes across, like they were so important! but anyway it doesnt matter, you enjoy hoys and i wish you success.
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Post by jinja on Oct 5, 2009 15:06:35 GMT
Cassie every thread I read your there, full on and on your high horse telling people what they should and shouldnt do, this thread is about stabling at HOYS and other problems they may have at HOYS.
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 5, 2009 16:10:44 GMT
Not telling anyone what they shouldn't do, try reading again, besides i am starting to think you have an issue, if you dont like what i say, dont reply! you dont have to and all it does is cause trouble!
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Post by sc on Oct 5, 2009 16:22:38 GMT
Unfortunately in this modern world the word 'generating revenue' and HOYs go hand in hand.
However you look at it showing is a very easy revenue generator. Societies have to pay to put the classes on - Entry fees are high - levies are imposed on every horse entering a HOYs qualifying class - and as you are pointing out 2 nights stabling is often needed
Im not an accountant but I would love to know just how much Showing contributes I imagine its a considerable sum, yes I appreciate the NEC is expensive but if the Show Jumping is such a crowd pleaser why are there more hours of showing than jumping? and if the public are so desperate to see jumping why was the European Championship such a wash out.
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Post by tuppence on Oct 5, 2009 16:49:01 GMT
Unfortunately in this modern world the word 'generating revenue' and HOYs go hand in hand. However you look at it showing is a very easy revenue generator. Societies have to pay to put the classes on - Entry fees are high - levies are imposed on every horse entering a HOYs qualifying class - and as you are pointing out 2 nights stabling is often needed Im not an accountant but I would love to know just how much Showing contributes I imagine its a considerable sum, yes I appreciate the NEC is expensive but if the Show Jumping is such a crowd pleaser why are there more hours of showing than jumping? and if the public are so desperate to see jumping why was the European Championship such a wash out. I would love to know just how much money Grandstand Media get off all the showing associations. I'm not that bothered about the levy, entry fee and stabling costs because that is very visible (and people can choose to pay them or not). I think that Grandstand Media take other money from the Societies just to stage the classes - I would like to know how much. |
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Post by poop on Oct 6, 2009 21:28:03 GMT
I think you should think yourselves lucky that the director of Grandstand Media has such a strong interest in showing and the number of showing classes has increased year on year. Its still the single most important Championship show in this country with real prestige. For those that disagree I think its time to pursue other things. The costs involved are not really that different to a normal county show - look at the entry & stable fees for Gt Yorks for example. Plus with Hoys a pony is generally only entered in one class, unlike BSPS / NPS / PUK champs etc, where people regularly seem to spend over £1000 in entries and stabling. I think if i had to choose only one show i know where id rather go!
Although that said plenty of producers will be going backwards and forwards every day this week without stabling there at all, far too busy.
I wouldnt like to even start to work out how much it costs to organise and run HOYS. The revenues that keep it going are probably TV, sponsorship & advertising related which showjumping in the main attracts. Plus of course bums on seats. So yes the showjumpers sound like they get a good deal, but with out them there would be no Hoys.
People would soon start moaning if the showing was dropped - apart from Joe Public of course many of whom go for the showjumping and displays and would be pretty oblivious if there was no showing.
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Post by puddledub on Oct 6, 2009 22:20:45 GMT
I wouldnt like to even start to work out how much it costs to organise and run HOYS. The revenues that keep it going are probably TV, sponsorship & advertising related which showjumping in the main attracts. Plus of course bums on seats. So yes the showjumpers sound like they get a good deal, but with out them there would be no Hoys. Don't forget that the show jumpers do not pay any levies on the entries at qualifiers, yet the showing fraternity contribute in the region of £1 million (yes ONE MILLION POUNDS) in levies!! |
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Post by busybusy on Oct 14, 2009 12:38:07 GMT
I imagine that the majority of people stable for the night prior to their class. I asked the stable managers why we couldn't have the stables beyond 2 pm on the day of competing (you cannot use your stable prior to 5 pm on the day you book it...its not like they do a thorough mucking out service!!). I suggested that it may be more appropriate for the majority of people to have the stable from 6 pm on the day of arrival to 4.30 or 5 pm - especially as we have tickets for the day we compete and there is a welfare/H&S issue regarding leaving ponies on the lorry!
The stable managers commented that they get loads of verbal complaints....but no one writes in...so if anyone has any complaints/suggestions they said we should write to the showing office!!!
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Post by Billybob on Oct 14, 2009 14:20:41 GMT
How long has it taken you to come to the conclusion that HOYS is a rip off!? It is a 'show'. So to help fund it they get all the parents to spend hundreds of pounds trying to qualifiy the childs pony (or better still just buy a qualified one!). Then they make you buy passes for the whole family so that they can come to see child ride plus the cost of stable so at least you can get to see some of the show.(If you can get past the security guards.) They give you working in times at the most unfriendly hours (when said child should be in bed). Better still they then put childs class in ring that has no outside audience, only all the family members that have bought tickets for seats that they cannot sit on as there are not enough. They do give you a nice rossette though. But you have to buy the catalogue to see childs name (and pony of course) in print. You leave show and talk about nothing except trying to qualify again next year! Love it! excellent!!!!!!!!! lol |
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Post by showingfanatic on Jul 22, 2010 0:30:35 GMT
And showing people don't?!?! But I beleive that most of the expenses are paid for the SJers as they are the crowd pullers.  From reading some of the comments I have read on this site I have come to the conclusion that many of the members here are very narrow minded and don't live in the real world. They gripe about the judges, the costs, etc.! why do they bother to do it? There have been harsh comments about the showjumpers - regarding their tack, showing people subsidising the showjumpers, etc. Personally I would like to see some of the competitors who compete in showing classes take part in a jumping competition, what a laugh one could have. I have watched the M&M classes during this year, from what I have seen many exhibitors shows are no better than what would be seen in a FR class. Showing people before passing comment that they subsidise the showjumpers should remember that the showjumping at any show provide the entertainment. Showing only booste the ego of the rider/owner. One could say it's as interesting as watching paint dry! It works both ways-I would love to see a show jumping rider trying to win a showing class! Showing is not about boosting egos, its about promoting best of type and breed and encourage correctness. |
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Post by billytuco on Jul 22, 2010 18:16:27 GMT
Just realised that most of this post replies were from 2009 not 2010! however not much has changed. I read the post because I have just posted a cheque to pay for one entry (£90), one stable for 2 nights and two passes for my husband and son to come to watch on the day - total£362! thats not including the levy we all pay at every show. I am not complaining as we are delighted to have the opportunity to compete at HOYS but I do think its a lot of money. In my opinion they have us over a barrel really, we spend lots of money, blood sweat and tears to try to qualify - we are hardly not going to enter if we are lucky enough to be awarded a ticket!
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Post by cg on Aug 27, 2010 11:48:10 GMT
I havent qualified this year and i do know its a hell of a lot of money to try and qualifiy!! that is a hugely excessive stable price its ridiculous!!
Oh and just to clarify sageandonion i know who the stable manager is and he isnt gay LOL!!
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Post by whpgirl on Sept 9, 2010 10:07:32 GMT
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Post by bundle on Sept 9, 2010 13:52:20 GMT
billytuco - I suppose they could have the last laugh and not put the show on at all ! All the work and organisation; planning for next year even now; £2m upfront costs; Hoys went bankrupt a few years ago and we should be counting our blessings that Mark Wein came in with his money and a lot of faith to save it.
Competing at hoys should be an honour and for most it is.
Off soap box but really fed up of people taking every dam thing for granted. We have run two shows this year at a loss and next year will probably not want to put in all the effort to do that again. Aggggggggggh
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 23, 2010 17:48:17 GMT
interesting that this is still a bone of contention a year on after I started this thread..
no one is saying its not a priviledge to be at HOYS
no one is saying they wont pay the stabling fees
and we are certainly going and going to pay...as it took a lot of time, effort, money, blood sweat and tears to qualify...
but for most people they dont live near by and can travel daily so it is extremely expensive and you have but no choice to pay for it.
I am surprised that HOYS went bankrupt. it would be interesting to see the accounts after eachs show thats for sure. Even Crufts, who dont have stabling fees, high entry fees, wristbands at £68 a day etc make a good healthy profit so I am surprised they dont at HOYS
Dont get me wrong, I love HOYS and go every year with ponies.. but it costs....simpleeeee.
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