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Post by Jo Jenkins on Sept 27, 2010 21:20:24 GMT
Crufts is a far cheaper show to put on , no hiring of all the stables, no massive fees for collecting and disposing of all the muck, no massive costs for para medics, no having to be fully manned from 04-30 am, no hiring of at least 2 'displays' etc etc etc. Absolutely no comparison.
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Post by dazycutter on Sept 28, 2010 11:35:11 GMT
and by comparison, its far cheaper to be a spectator and compete there.. £14 for a day pass.. I think it was £30 to enter my dog last year.. I am not saying it is not a cheaper show.. but think of the miles and miles of benching that they have to put up.. all the dog poo that has to be removed..a lot of security for the numerous doors to get in and out of, the medical centre is open and staffed, people do stay overnight, so there is security on at night as well.. hundreds of trade stands ot get in and out.. the list goes on..
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Post by sageandonion on Sept 28, 2010 12:04:43 GMT
I think privilidge is definitely the wrong word. A thrill, excitement, yes but the place has been (or should have been) earned and actually paid for hugely prior to the actual event. All that time, effort and money. A privilidge is something bestowed upon you.
Once there, you should not be further ripped off.
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Post by dipsey on Oct 6, 2010 23:08:26 GMT
Dredrowstud an honour to go to HOYS I dont think so anyone who goes to |HOYS has worked bloody hard whether it be the producers or those who do there own ponies. As was said earlier there would be no HOYS without the competitors, and may I add most of the competitors work hard all year round to get the honour of getting the so called show off the ground. I dont feel the word HONOUR as you said was the appropriate word.
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Post by lashowteam on Dec 19, 2010 20:17:59 GMT
And showing people don't?!?! But I beleive that most of the expenses are paid for the SJers as they are the crowd pullers.  From reading some of the comments I have read on this site I have come to the conclusion that many of the members here are very narrow minded and don't live in the real world. They gripe about the judges, the costs, etc.! why do they bother to do it? There have been harsh comments about the showjumpers - regarding their tack, showing people subsidising the showjumpers, etc. Personally I would like to see some of the competitors who compete in showing classes take part in a jumping competition, what a laugh one could have. I have watched the M&M classes during this year, from what I have seen many exhibitors shows are no better than what would be seen in a FR class. Showing people before passing comment that they subsidise the showjumpers should remember that the showjumping at any show provide the entertainment. Showing only booste the ego of the rider/owner. One could say it's as interesting as watching paint dry! I am sorry but that is completely out of order many people prefer to watch a showing class with ponies that have good conformation than a show jumping class where many don't I am not saying this is my opinion as I am neutral but i believe that you are being rather unfair and narrow minded yourself. Also many showjumpers are not particularly good riders ( not mentioning any names ) either . Many Showing people will go out and take there ponies showjumping to give them a bit of variety and many whp people compete at top level bsja whith their hunters (as I do) . I cant think of many show jumpers that do much else but showjumping for variety . |
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Post by welshiegirl on May 2, 2011 7:25:14 GMT
People do it, because it is a honour. Unfortuantly, Not everyone can afford it. Right now, if i qualified i can tell you i wouldn't been able to go, because of the expenses. We are not moaning- we just feel the show is making it hard to book 1 day stabling. I would not want my ponies on a cold wagon, if i was about to go into a huge class that i would love to win. I think HOYS need to realise, if they lowered prices, more people who got tickets would go, would buy more stabling, programmes, seats etc etc, and they would make good money. We aren't moaning- This is our opinion and that is yours - we are all entitled to it  |
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Post by iluvmyponies on May 2, 2011 10:20:25 GMT
I haven't read all of this thread but I have read most of it & I can see both sides of the argument. Re- Showjumpers. I have a 133cm SHP who has won SHP classed, WHP classed, coloured classes etc etc. BUT she has also won SJing classes, with a jump off time of 20 seconds flat. So yes, I am a 'showing person' & I have won many showjumping classes aswell as showing classes. Also, believe it or not, showjumping ponies are worth A LOT more than a showing pony! For example, a 128cm showjumper that has won at county level but has NEVER been to HOYS/RIHS/Olympia, is worth atleast 5x as much as a HOYS SP which has won at HOYS/RIHS etc. So (This isn't supposed to sound rude) but no matter how much a showing pony wins, most showjumpers will sell for a lot more! With regards to HOYS expenses- It is a very expensive show, even for those who are just spectators! Me & my mum went to each last year & I payed for both tickets myself. I doubt I will ever be going again tbh! Far too expensive! & we bought hardly anything when we were there. Think we only bought a catalogue (£10!!!  ), pancakes (£5!!! ) & a bottle of Oasis (£2.50!!! ) & I don't even want to think about how much it added up to! If we qualify, I doubt we will go. We would have to pay for stabling, entry fees, etc etc & we would probably have to hire a lorry as I doubt ours would get us all the way to Birmingham! The prices are way over the top & most people that I know that have qualified, have said they get a better thrill from the qualifiers than the actual show! Just because someone qualifies for HOYS, doesn't mean that they have gone up & down the country chasing qualifiers. For all you know, they could have qualified first time out. Success comes from hard work, not money. I for one will NOT be going up & down the country chasing qualifiers. (Unless someone would wish to sponsor us to try & help some of the costs.) |
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Post by myponies4ever on May 15, 2011 20:53:41 GMT
i agree with the pricing but it is something to be treasured if you qualify it's not just any old show like it is for some people!
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Post by quinny on May 24, 2011 20:21:15 GMT
I'm all for people rebelling & not entering HOYS or chasing tickets because of the cost of 2 nights stabling - that way there'll be less competition for the rest of us trying to qualify next year ;D Hahaha love it |
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Post by Team Fenton on Jun 1, 2011 12:50:16 GMT
It is expensive but have to say i am one of the lucky ones that only lives 30 min away so if i were lucky enough to qualify i wont need stabling.
On a plus side i know quite a few people around my area that might rent a stable out for the night if anybody interested, might have some myself , PM me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 13:30:17 GMT
I qualified my boy in 2008 and it doesn't seem to me like the price has increased too much since then, if at all.
I was more than happy to pay the price because for people like me it was probably a once in a lifetime achievement and I wouldn't have missed it for anything, and certainly not because of the cost of the stables. We paid for the 2 nights and had a fab time!
HOYS is something a lot of people aspire to and for the experience I think the cost is a drop in the ocean.
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Post by showing4life on Jun 1, 2011 13:58:43 GMT
From reading some of the comments I have read on this site I have come to the conclusion that many of the members here are very narrow minded and don't live in the real world. They gripe about the judges, the costs, etc.! why do they bother to do it? There have been harsh comments about the showjumpers - regarding their tack, showing people subsidising the showjumpers, etc. Personally I would like to see some of the competitors who compete in showing classes take part in a jumping competition, what a laugh one could have. I have watched the M&M classes during this year, from what I have seen many exhibitors shows are no better than what would be seen in a FR class. Showing people before passing comment that they subsidise the showjumpers should remember that the showjumping at any show provide the entertainment. Showing only booste the ego of the rider/owner. One could say it's as interesting as watching paint dry! That is an EXTREAMLY biased opinion! Obviously showjumping riders would jump a showjumping course better than a showing rider because they have a lot more practise at it. They constantly have to keep their eye in for looking for strides, getting the right take off point etc. That doesn't mean us showing riders CAN'T go out and jump a showjumping course. Many of us do at home and out. But in comparisson I would like to see some show jumpers do a go round. I am not saying they can't but what I am saying is we practice for it, learn and use our ringcraft etc. I'm sure u can see the point I'm trying to make. I also want to add that last year me and my mum went to HOYS with good friends of ours. We flew over from Ireland and stayed the Friday night till thee Sunday evening. I am not going to say we went purely for the showing but put it this way if there was no showing then I wouldn't have gone. We spend a huge amount of money but it was an absolute amazing experience. On the Saturday night evening preformance I really enjoyed the jumping but the highlight for me was the SHP championship, even over the pruissance. I would never be disrespectfull to riders because of what discipline they do. The top show jumpers work just as hard as the top show riders as well as eventer, dressage riders and the often forgotten drivers. If someone wants to do well they'll work hard regardless of what discipline they do. |
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