cheeky
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Post by cheeky on Dec 14, 2006 14:52:07 GMT
I know this already has a thread open and if the mods require it to be moved then ok.
The Nps have put a ballot paper on its website asking members to vote on the future of the Olympia competition. please don't waste this opportunity to make our voices heard !
Thank you
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Post by Brilliant on Dec 14, 2006 15:17:08 GMT
I think starting a new tread is a good idea, the other one is so long! Its seems as though the NPS have listen to us, and have allowed members to have their say. Thank you NPS. I think it is great that they are not going to allow judges to compete and judge at olympia qualifiers, that is definately a step forward and way to keep this an elite competition. I do think the implementation of 2 judges is a bad idea, mainly because it will become like HOYS, you will have 2 judges wanting their choice to go through, and I think it will do nothing to benefit the competition and the standard of horses at the final.
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Post by Question on Dec 14, 2006 15:26:20 GMT
Mabey I am being a bit thick! But can someone please clarify for me Option B on the ballot paper.
OPTION A At Olympia Qualifying Rounds the rider of the qualifying pony must ride the pony in the Final except in the circumstances below:-
i) The rider is incapacitated (Doctor’s certificate must be produced) ii) Any other mitigating circumstances
OPTION B A Rider may only qualify one pony for the NPS/Baileys Horse Feeds Mountain & Moorland Supreme Ridden Olympia Final in a particular year. Once a Rider has qualified a pony they may not ride again in any Olympia Qualifying Round in that year.
This is how I understand it.
Option A) If you qualify a pony you ride it, unless the riders ill or something.
Option B) If a particular rider, qualifies a pony, that rider is not allowed to compete in other qualifying rounds. However that rider does not necessarily have to ride it at the final?
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Post by Pho3nix on Dec 14, 2006 16:08:18 GMT
Mabey I am being a bit thick! But can someone please clarify for me Option B on the ballot paper. OPTION A At Olympia Qualifying Rounds the rider of the qualifying pony must ride the pony in the Final except in the circumstances below:- i) The rider is incapacitated (Doctor’s certificate must be produced) ii) Any other mitigating circumstances OPTION B A Rider may only qualify one pony for the NPS/Baileys Horse Feeds Mountain & Moorland Supreme Ridden Olympia Final in a particular year. Once a Rider has qualified a pony they may not ride again in any Olympia Qualifying Round in that year. This is how I understand it. Option A) If you qualify a pony you ride it, unless the riders ill or something. Option B) If a particular rider, qualifies a pony, that rider is not allowed to compete in other qualifying rounds. However that rider does not necessarily have to ride it at the final? That is what i think it leads me to believe too. It doesn't specify that another rider cant ride it in the final. I think both options do lend themselves to the same way of thinking though.
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Post by sugarbeet on Dec 14, 2006 16:51:36 GMT
What does 'other mitigating curcumstances mean?' Hope this isnt a little side door - i think the NPS need to clarify just what 'mitigating circumstances' would include.
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Post by Guestless on Dec 14, 2006 18:39:15 GMT
So I take it the NPS isn't actually balloting members by post then? It says you can reply by post but doesn't say anything about sending papers out. Surely they can't think they are consulting their membership purely by putting something on the website? I'm going to make this sticky too as I think it's an important thread. Well done Cheeky - good decision to start a new thread.
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Post by thought on Dec 15, 2006 0:32:37 GMT
What does 'other mitigating curcumstances mean?' Hope this isnt a little side door - i think the NPS need to clarify just what 'mitigating circumstances' would include. well it will if someone qualifys a horse and then is unable to ride for special reasons, obviousley if they ask for an alternative rider, then who ever qualified it would notbe riding anything else. There are lots of reasons for mitigating circumstances, and it would probably be impossible for anyone to detail all the acceptable possible circumstances that could arise. I think as long as people can corroborate their claims then we will have to put our trust in the NPS. Personally, I think the NPS is barking up the wrong tree as to why they are getting fewer entries.
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Post by Guestless on Dec 15, 2006 0:44:39 GMT
Personally, I think the NPS is barking up the wrong tree as to why they are getting fewer entries. So what do you think is causing it? Do you think the "suggestion" that judges don't officiate at qualifiers if they are campaigning for a place at the final is a good start?
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Post by ponygirl on Dec 15, 2006 9:52:07 GMT
The decline in entires is more to do with the judging than about who rides the pony in the final. Personally I believe that the compeition will never be perceived as fair as long as indviduals that judge the qualifiers are also trying to qualify themselves in that particular year. However above board and honest they may be - the perception will always be that there is an unfair advantage to those indviduals. I for one can't see how limiting indviduals to qualifying one pony would increase the numbers in the classes. You are also restricting the trade of professionals which again will have a detrimental effect on entries.
Also, the competition is so difficult to qualify for that with rising costs of entries, diesel, running costs etc - many opt to try the "easier" option and qualify for HOYs. However, the Baileys Final should be difficult to qualify for - that's what makes it so special
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Post by suprised on Dec 15, 2006 12:32:38 GMT
How the NPS can call it a true ballot of members, not everyone has access to the internet and some people may be on holiday.
It should of been sent to all members, and as for having it returned by 22nd December it looks like they have already made their decision and this is just a formality.
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Post by Guestless on Dec 15, 2006 12:53:39 GMT
I totally agree surprised. Regardless of what people's views are on the issue, it seems very unfair to me for them not to be gauging the opinions of ALL members. Maybe they are posting ballots out to all "showing" members as opposed to standard
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Post by pystekhag on Dec 15, 2006 13:26:13 GMT
I totally agree surprised. Regardless of what people's views are on the issue, it seems very unfair to me for them not to be gauging the opinions of ALL members. Maybe they are posting ballots out to all "showing" members as opposed to standard Well at least it is a step in the right direction Guestless, perhaps they will guage the general feeling ,take it to council then ballot members via the usual channels. Either that or they will see how many members return the online ballot form and this will give them the numbers and identities of people that use this site ....
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Post by shelley on Dec 18, 2006 17:24:30 GMT
postal ballot papers came via snail mail today - all members can vote.
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Post by confused on Dec 18, 2006 18:04:33 GMT
Why is it that everyone is finding fault straight away with the new proposals. The NPS seem to be listening to me they are going to stop judges competing in other qualifiers this is a dream come true how many times have we all moaned about backscratching this will stop it, instead of everyone being grateful its a case of lets moan about something else i truely belive a lot of people just love to moan
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Post by Pho3nix on Dec 19, 2006 9:57:24 GMT
postal ballot papers came via snail mail today - all members can vote. At Olympia yesterday there were notes being handed out, basically it just said there has been a slight delay in getting the mail out, but EVERY member will be given ballot papers. the deadline to get them back in is the [glow=red,2,300]27th of December.[/glow] so get them in quick!
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Post by Guestless on Dec 19, 2006 11:01:18 GMT
Why is it that everyone is finding fault straight away with the new proposals. The NPS seem to be listening to me they are going to stop judges competing in other qualifiers this is a dream come true how many times have we all moaned about backscratching this will stop it, instead of everyone being grateful its a case of lets moan about something else i truely belive a lot of people just love to moan I'm certainly not finding fault with the proposals - it is VERY GOOD that we are being asked for our opinions. My concern was whether ALL members were going to be asked for their views as the website didn't mention the papers were being posted out. I'm more than happy with being given the option to vote and I hope as many members as possible will take the opportunity to have their say.
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Post by anna on Dec 19, 2006 12:12:43 GMT
I have just read my mailing from NPS and must say am very impressed with what they are doing. The main thing they are LISTENING, as you cant please all of the people all of the time.
There are quite a few rule changes and the Nov WHP one is great whereby you can do it for 2 years as long as you dont compete at the final in your first year. If gives competitors a chance to really get their ponies jumping over novice fences before they have to move up. The course at NPS for the Novice is quite tricky (which I think it should be) and your pony may have only done a few novices before hand.
Well done NPS.
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Post by Pho3nix on Dec 19, 2006 14:07:35 GMT
i agree with Gurtrude and guestless. i can see why some people aren't too pleased with the rule, for example producers, obviously if they ahve more then 1 they want to qualify them, fair enough. from my point of view, it is quite good, as only having 1 pony as a hobby, it gives me more of a chance if you see what i mean. All in all though, its good the voices of concern have been listend to and an action is being made. Hopefully all members will get thier vote in on time and there is still over a week to do so. remember remember the 27th of december
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Post by snowie on Dec 19, 2006 19:46:19 GMT
I think it's great that the NPS are finally taking an interest in what members think. Have filled mine in and sent it back. If you dont fill yours in then dont moan next year.
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Post by Oh Dear on Dec 19, 2006 22:39:54 GMT
Did anybody get a 2007 membership form? Did anybody get a list of judges in their Judges List & Rule Book? Does anybody know the age of Junior members for 2007? Does anybody understand the new rule about judges not showing ponies as from what is written down they can! [Why bother to add it?] Does anybody know why the Area officails are getting reduced membership and not the many stewards and helpers who give up their time and holidays to support the NPS? Does anybody know why they have introduced the Loyalty Scheme that will lose them money? Does anybody know where the AGM accommodation is to be? Stables on wetherby racecourse Does anybody know how much or how to book a place on the Teach In? Did anybody proof read the newsletter and think about any of these items? Does anybody know if the members are to receive an apology for all of this?
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Post by NPS fan on Dec 19, 2006 22:44:40 GMT
Oh you are so efficient, I dont know why you didnt apply for the job at PUK - it would of suited, you sounded like you know who.
I am sure if you ring the office they will tell you and then you can tell us. ;D
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Post by Guestless on Dec 19, 2006 22:48:54 GMT
That is a point though - I've not had a membership form, etc. Are there copies of the newsletter with the ballot papers (which I've still not received)?
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Post by Ollie on Dec 19, 2006 22:49:36 GMT
Is there someone efficient out there? Let us know!
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Post by sharp on Dec 19, 2006 22:55:27 GMT
[Did anybody get a 2007 membership form? Did anybody get a list of judges in their Judges List & Rule Book? Does anybody know the age of Junior members for 2007? Does anybody understand the new rule about judges not showing ponies as from what is written down they can! [Why bother to add it?] Does anybody know why the Area officails are getting reduced membership and not the many stewards and helpers who give up their time and holidays to support the NPS? Does anybody know why they have introduced the Loyalty Scheme that will lose them money? Does anybody know where the AGM accommodation is to be? Stables on wetherby racecourse Does anybody know how much or how to book a place on the Teach In? Did anybody proof read the newsletter and think about any of these items? Does anybody know if the members are to receive an apology for all of this? quote] Someone's read it and noticed Well spotted. Ours hasn't arrived yet!
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Post by confused on Dec 20, 2006 7:59:02 GMT
I thought you vote by fax i downloaded the ballot form and did that days ago as the post for Christmas finished yesterday.
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Post by Pho3nix on Dec 20, 2006 8:35:46 GMT
I thought you vote by fax i downloaded the ballot form and did that days ago as the post for Christmas finished yesterday. From what was said at Olympia, they are trying to contact as many members as possible, and using all the options they have to do so, eg mail, internet. Every vote will count either by fax, mail or net.
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Post by Olympia on Dec 20, 2006 11:19:18 GMT
I did see David Hinde ( I think that was him, I didnt have my glasses on! handing out bits of paper..........but not to everyone. A few sheets were handed out to people sitting on the end of the row, not enough to be passed down through the rows!! I was waiting to see what it was all about but I never managed to get a letter!!
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Post by Guestless on Dec 20, 2006 11:39:56 GMT
From what was said at Olympia, they are trying to contact as many members as possible, and using all the options they have to do so, eg mail, internet. Every vote will count either by fax, mail or net. If you email it, then it won't be signed so I'm hoping that means they will accept unsigned forms or do they expect them to be scanned in with signature included....anyone know?
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Post by Xmas XXXX on Dec 21, 2006 12:13:38 GMT
oh dear you were right! If there is anybody efficent out there then stick with the NPS, stand for council and definitely don't run to PUK ;D
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Post by IT on Dec 22, 2006 9:00:30 GMT
I did see David Hinde ( I think that was him, I didnt have my glasses on! handing out bits of paper..........but not to everyone. A few sheets were handed out to people sitting on the end of the row, not enough to be passed down through the rows!! I was waiting to see what it was all about but I never managed to get a letter!! Come on guys you are all computer literate - go on line to the NPS website down load the form, complete it and post asap
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