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Post by err on Dec 20, 2006 22:13:08 GMT
err Lucy's highland's coat and Turnout?! Hardly the best i've seen...very obvioulsy clipped...
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Post by gemma stanford on Dec 20, 2006 22:29:53 GMT
to 'err', you are a silly moose and it is people like you who give this site a bad reputation, isnt it past your bed time little girl?  |
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Post by interested observer on Dec 20, 2006 22:31:11 GMT
From the comments on this thread it is obvious how subjective showing is and all are entitled to their opinions. However it is a Mountain and Moorland class and several ponies didnt demonstrate the way of going typical of their breed. A Dales, for example, should demonstrate a forceful trot, some of the Dales did very little trot in their show. Others ponies demonstrated a poor walk, the grey Highland being a notable exception.
I also think that the conformation judge played a minimal part as she failed to use her marks fully.
Nevertheless well done to all who qualified.
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Post by Well Done on Dec 20, 2006 22:49:19 GMT
Really enjoyed my day at Olympia on Monday... What a shame people have to ruin it by bit*hy remarks... Thought the judging was very fair - or at least it was from where I sat!!! Well done Katy Carter - Matthew Lawrence - Lucy Craven - Aimee (&^%$ etc etc - you have lived many people's dream!!!!
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Post by Olympia Fan on Dec 20, 2006 23:11:13 GMT
I would agree that some ponies walked better than others, but the walk unfortunately hardly features in the individual show, and any reflection of its quality would be dependent on the judge remembering it from earlier on. I would imagine they would have a huge amount of things to weigh up and remember.
I thought Colliery Grace really trotted well when she settled.
As said before, the standard was amazing and the winner sparkled. Lots of really good ponies gave their usual brilliant reliable shows.
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Post by dizzy on Dec 20, 2006 23:52:01 GMT
Well done to everyone who took part all the ponies were well turned out, looked fantastic and deserved to be there. Most of us dream of achieving what you have done and good luck for next year. We really enjoyed watching.
To the jealous few making nasty remarks try doing your talking in the ring rather than making anonymous comments on here, or maybe you cant and thats why you resort to this level. Get a life........
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Post by was there 2 on Dec 21, 2006 4:45:22 GMT
I agree with the obviously clipped highland, it didn't look as good as it could have done, Colliery Grace certainly had the best trot for the Dales. Riders like Matthew, Jane Weller and Aimee, look so professional and quiet, the picture looks great and easy!
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Post by gem on Dec 21, 2006 8:33:31 GMT
the winner looked like hard work on the video clip, for the rider to be constantly kicking it to go.
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Post by enjoyed on Dec 21, 2006 9:48:20 GMT
just wanted to say that i really enjoyed olympia, the standard was very high, and most were turned out well, and went well.
thought the judging was overall very good just a couple that were suprising, the winner should have been solo as she absolutly stood out a mile, from the moment it walked in the ring. the other was the c, pearly king should have been bob
well done to every1
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Post by How on Dec 21, 2006 10:05:22 GMT
Why is it that pearly king and Castle Ri can make the same mistake (ie both went into canter when they should have been trotting) only a small blip when the rest of both their shows were excellent, yet get very different marks???
Also These ponies at Olympia are suposed to be the best of the best and be good Open ponies...........I thought a lot of good ponies did very poor shows.....In that all they did was a quick canter round with hardly any trotting, Heltendale Misty is a fine example, I thought she was a certain for BOB untill I saw her show, and thought she blew it, no trotting at all!!!!
I think Prince charming did an exceellent show apart from the fact it didnt gallop which in my opinion should have knocked him off the top spot. But where he really stood out was how he finished his show, he carried on trotting round the ring, came down the centre line, walked a few paces and halted. For me personally I hate seeing ponies come out of an extended canter, fall into trot and then pulled up all very rushed, it lookes messy.
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Post by fan on Dec 21, 2006 10:30:21 GMT
the bay d also did a fab trot at the end of the show and did also do the best gallop of the day
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Post by olympia fan on Dec 21, 2006 11:00:39 GMT
I didn't mind the fact that the dun Highland pony was clipped - it still looked like a Highland pony and went like a Highland pony and seemed really comfortable in itself.
I think dun can be a really difficult colour for that time of year (based on years of hunting dun ponies and horses - connies & connie & welsh cob crosses - and having had a connie at Olympia).
IMO it looked really well, still native and went beautifully. I would imagine it competes in other disciplines as well as showing and looked fit to do any job.
I am aware others will disagree.
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Post by olympia fan on Dec 21, 2006 11:11:05 GMT
It's a long time and a lot of water under the bridge before Olympia 2007, and the judges of the final will be scrupulously fair. At the moment, let's just enjoy day last week!  |
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Post by fan on Dec 21, 2006 11:21:26 GMT
i agree olympia fan, next year is a long way off, the mare should qualify in her own right if she looks and goes half as good as monday. the judging is not always bent- if the pony deserves it on the day!!!!!
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Post by yep clipped on Dec 21, 2006 11:29:05 GMT
yes ben macdhui was clipped, because he has been out enjoying himself hunting and doing x-c!!!(bet not many there can honestly say that!) i think it was fairer on the pony to be clipped, the other highlands were too(apparantly).... but becasue they are grey it dosnt show?!
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Post by elmere on Dec 21, 2006 11:55:51 GMT
I agree HiPo coats can get very thick so it is alot fairer on the pony to have a clip, not all ponies are cooped up in stables 24/7, plus its easier to see confirmation without a big wooly coat in the way  I also think its pointless bit*hing about the placings as everyone has their own opinions on who should be up there, if you want to have your say then go and judge it, i think the winner looked great even though they are my least fav native, he moved fab, maybe all you who complain about him not being the right type; maybe your idea is the wrong one, i think its far more of an achievment winning the ridden at Olympia than in-hand at the Royal Welsh, alot of the in-hand classes are facey and nowadays it goes on the flashiness and size of the pony in the welsh classes, not the actual quality but i do think that a show should show all paces, most importantly a gallop You people have to understand we aren't all perfect and some of us are in it for the fun, we like to enjoy our ponies but we might make the odd mistake which can easily happen in that kind of situation, i mean Ri did a flying change at HOYs in his gallop, a mistake i've done before now and yet he's a preffesional, they're animals not machines and if they all went foot perfect then it would be boring, you people are the reason that this sport gets a bad name and many people don't compete, its my dream to be there one day hopefully with one of my homebreds but it would ruin it all if i came on here which i have done before now and someone was bit*hing about me or my pony  |
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Post by olympia fan on Dec 21, 2006 11:57:19 GMT
My above comment re Olympia 2007 probably seems a bit out of place now, following your prompt and very necessary deletion, so in case of any confusion, I thought this year's judges were great and very fair too.
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Post by spotty on Dec 21, 2006 12:04:28 GMT
Great day, lovely ponies. Thought the conformation marks were about right although prefer WWW to Paintbox. The show marks looked ok but slightly biased towards northern and welsh competitors. Down to preference but thought Charlene, Lucy Craven, Isabel Barr and Jane Weller did fabulous shows. Quiet hands, good seats & still legs.
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Post by irish on Dec 21, 2006 12:55:49 GMT
the earlier comment about Ri shining against the other connis ....i couldnt agree more .....one looked very very tense and not at all ready ....one was ,as i remember from seeing it previously ,a lovely stamp but on the day far too fat .....and the other one i didnt really notice am afraid !  |
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Post by royal welsh on Dec 21, 2006 13:48:01 GMT
wether a section b is undersaddle or doing inhand it should still b a true section b as prince charming has not got a lot of bone and not welshy and i am sure the welsh breeders would go 4 a stallion with the bone and substance than have a b with no bone and no welsh character! and no personaly i dont think he would stand up to the other bs at the royal welsh! these days a lot of bs lack bone and welsh character! they should b able 2 do hard work and survie in rough conditions prince charming is not a true 2 type b in my opinon! i do agree he is falshy and goes fantastic and has great move but at such a show as olympia judges should go 4 a pony who represents there breed!
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Post by take home on Dec 21, 2006 14:52:14 GMT
every horse that had got to olympia had done very well to get there so well done to you all. i do think that solo stood out a mile though..... i wonder if the girl would sell as i would love to take that mare home with me!!!!! |
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Post by Fell and Dales Fan on Dec 21, 2006 21:31:38 GMT
I really thought Heltondale Misty was a dead certainty for Best of Breed what a shame the rider didn't do more trotting. Iloved the way Townend Hamish went, what a dark horse he was.
Did the girl riding the Dales attempt a walk to canter that went wrong or did the pony grind to a halt or nap, shame the pony didn't do more trotting as is a stunning ponyand really can move. The lovely kilmannan Dales could have done more trotting.
We had some fantastic fells and dales through to the finals its a shame they were not ridden to show off their best pace.
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Post by mother of the rider of Misty on Dec 21, 2006 22:48:29 GMT
Sorry previous guest that you were so dissapointed with the way some of the fells and dales were ridden,and actually it is a young man not a girl who rides the Kilmannon dales.I presume that you feel you could have done a better job than some of the jockeys on the day so why were you not there competing yourself!If you do compete surely you would realise that sometimes a jockey makes the best of a situation on a particular day in a particular atmosphere depending how the animal beneath them feels!Or do you ride a robot.
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Post by elmere on Dec 21, 2006 23:19:23 GMT
A bit of advice...if you don't want to be offended then don't come on here |
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Post by observer on Dec 21, 2006 23:27:26 GMT
Did the girl riding the Dales attempt a walk to canter that went wrong or did the pony grind to a halt or nap, shame the pony didn't do more trotting as is a stunning ponyand really can move. The lovely kilmannan Dales could have done more trotting. I think you'll find by the look on the girls face and the huge great kicks the poor mare got, it was an attempted, but went wrong! I have seen that mare go much much better earlier in the season. Don't think the current girl was riding it though, which probably says a lot!!!! I agree that more trot work should have been shown, poor Misty, she is stunning, but it was not her day. The atmosphere there was electric, it is bound to effect even the most experienced of ponies! She'll be back next year for sure. |
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Post by make your mind up on Dec 21, 2006 23:30:26 GMT
You have just cpmpletely contradicted your earlier post
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Post by observer on Dec 21, 2006 23:37:04 GMT
You have just cpmpletely contradicted your earlier post ? I have only posted once??? |
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Post by Amazed on Dec 21, 2006 23:39:47 GMT
I can't believe what Elmere has put - mother of HDM's rider - good on you to stand up for your daughter!! Perhaps Elmere should show us all how its done - if he/she could?!
The only person who can judge how a pony is going and feeling is its jockey and many a time I have been doing a show and had to change my mind as I go along - I qualified my B stallion for Olympia by doing my gallop half way through my show and it worked! Why do you have to be so critical of people/ponies when you were only spectating - I can only surmise that you are just jeolous perhaps?
And to answer the critics of PPC - he is a beautiful example of a section B - they were bred as riding ponies after all and should have quality bone. He has a lovely welsh head, huge front and excellent movement. There are quite a few types of section B's and admittedly not everyone will go for his type, but he is nothing but a Welsh pony.
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Post by refifsneke on Dec 21, 2006 23:59:45 GMT
In reply to what Xmas Tree has put about JJ qualifying Mai as he didn't want a better D than his to qualify, why didn't he put through a Section B, or Highland or Fell? Then he wouldn't have risked being beaten at the final!! Just shows that your theory is a bit off mark!!
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Post by well on Dec 22, 2006 11:41:35 GMT
in response to was there to. alot of ponies professionals ride you dnt sit stil by choice you have to if you move then it may explode. bare this in mind. and the highland was obviously clipped and it may enjoy hunting but surely you can time it so there is somegrowth through. am sure more than one of us had a giggle when she came in to work in in that head collar and lead rope arrangement. ;D
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