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Post by ferret on Dec 22, 2006 11:52:16 GMT
I know Lucy and her mum , they are always professional and that highland goes so well and light ...so to me if the perelli ( think thats how you spell it ) halter works to get her fourth ...then good on them for working in in it in . Lots of peole work their ponies in strange contraptions ....but bet not many would do it out in the open where all can see !!!!! Well done Lucy and Sue , what a fab Olympia record with different ponies !!!
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Post by welldoneall on Dec 22, 2006 12:06:24 GMT
I don't know eve from adam of people in the m&m world really but from watching the ponies at Olympia i think the highland and section d that was 5th both went beautifully. All connections should b every proud.
At the end of the day all showing is subjective, the section b is not my type but was obviously the judges and lets be honest it has a pretty good competition record for a 5year old, why shouldnt it have won, your winner is never going to please everyone! Yes it didnt really gallop but then to be honest not many did and it did show an extension.
Watching the shows a lot of ponies seemed to have the odd blip but then did spectacular shows (ri, pearly king) so as a judge you weigh this up and decided how much YOU think stuff should be penalised but everyone is goign to penalise differently and see certain things as worse than others.
Since starting judging myself i have also found out that what you see from the inside of the ring can often look very different from the outside. Sometimes in the centre you cannot see a pony hang or lean or vice versa. At the end of the day judges are only human and can only judge what they see from there point of view.
Everyone has a right to there opinion on what should have won but personnal remarks about how people ride or look or what they do with there pony is not needed. If you have ridden long enough you all know different ponies sometimes need different technics to get the best out of them however bizarre they maybe you do them as you want to do your best. Unless you know the pony and rider very well i don't think you can comment on what they could do better!
To everyone at Olympia well done for even getting there! and to the judges well done! ;D
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Post by What Problem on Dec 22, 2006 12:21:49 GMT
What is so wrong with a clipped look? It was also evident that govner had been clipped, so why is there a personal attack on the dun for being clipped? Plenty of ponies had a fresh clipped look, Castlehill flash, the exmoor are just a couple that comes to mind, however I dont see a problem with this at all being true natives they are bound to get thick coats, and it should not alter the overall picture..............the horses did not ask to be competed in the middle of december, they least the owners can do is make them comfortable!
And to 'well' I dont have time for parelli or whatever it is yo call it, HOWEVER, if people want to take this approach then good on them, the results speak for themselfes, the highland went lovely...........I have seen ponies being warmed up in a double and draw reins.........I know what I would prefere to see!!
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Post by pystekhag on Dec 22, 2006 14:01:04 GMT
in response to was there to. alot of ponies professionals ride you dnt sit stil by choice you have to if you move then it may explode. bare this in mind. and the highland was obviously clipped and it may enjoy hunting but surely you can time it so there is somegrowth through. am sure more than one of us had a giggle when she came in to work in in that head collar and lead rope arrangement. ;D If you expect the above points to hold water i suggest you dont pick on the pony that had joint top ride mark with 47.like most people that really understand ponies and how to get the best out of them obviously the Craven team realise there is more than one way to a ponies trust and happiness.......So i suggest you try your giggling on your unexploded time bombs and leave the real horse people to have a right laugh at your expense. |
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Post by The future on Dec 22, 2006 14:16:59 GMT
I don't care who did what this year!
I just want to get my baby there next year!
And well done to Katy- she was robbed at HOYS!
And to anyone else that got there- well done. If I make it there then you can all gladly slag me off cos I won't care!
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Post by princess on Dec 22, 2006 15:08:20 GMT
in response to was there to. alot of ponies professionals ride you dnt sit stil by choice you have to if you move then it may explode. bare this in mind. and the highland was obviously clipped and it may enjoy hunting but surely you can time it so there is somegrowth through. am sure more than one of us had a giggle when she came in to work in in that head collar and lead rope arrangement. ;D what a ridiculous comment!!! Where was your olympia pony? Sorry you were sat in your seat watching, making jealous pathetic comments!! Lucy will still be giggling though with her top joint ride mark (as mentioned) and 4th overall! What a great christmas the Cravens will have! |
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Post by dizzy on Dec 22, 2006 16:29:53 GMT
WELL DONE TOO LUCY AND MAC YOU LOOKED FANTASTIC WELL DESERVED.....
and as for being clipped there were much more obvious clips than yours not that it matters, someone is very jealous of your achievements. 5TH HOYS with both ponies and then BOB,overall 4th OLYMPIA and joint top ride mark what a result. I bet the people making nasty comments cant match that this year. Good luck for next year.... Nicky
As for parelli dont knock what you dont understand it works wonders for some....
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Post by elmere on Dec 22, 2006 17:03:55 GMT
Eeer, i was giving advice, we aren't all horrible on here you know, you shouldn't just presume!
I picked Misty out at HOYS so i'm obviously not agreeing with the comments, its just i know how mothers are and you're bound to be offended coming on here, i've been there (not as a mother lol) but its best just to ignore it instead of letting them see its getting to you, thats what they get enjoyment out of, oh and its a she, my 18th today actually, so i'd say i've done pretty well for my age and hope to get there one day ;D
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Post by clipped on Dec 22, 2006 17:22:25 GMT
i love lucy's highland and dont think i have ever seen 1 so light on its feet and move as well! i think it well deserved its placed and in my eyes its the best highland i have ever seen! and just because it was clipped doesnt mean it didnt deserve to get in the placings its still beautiful! well done lucy
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Post by lucy craven on Dec 22, 2006 17:34:59 GMT
you was sat 'outside the ring' laffin tho......hahaha ;D
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Post by manes&muzzles on Dec 22, 2006 17:45:55 GMT
I would like to say what a wonderful time we had at Olympia. It was great fun socializing in the bar the night before (wasn't it mum?), meeting lots of friends and enjoying lots of Christmas spirit. Got some lovely photos - no we wont blackmail anyone.
I was extremely pleased with the way Gov went he is such a gentleman. I too thought the highlands went extremely well (bias of course) and a very well done to Lucy for getting bob your pony went beautifully. Just for everyones information Lucy and Gov were clipped at exactly the same time, so not sure what the clipping issues are anyway. Just as little mention of Steffie and the Hirds who was truly home produced, but went and looked like a professional. Cant comment on all sections as didn't see them.
I would like to say well done to the winner Pittybeck Prince Charming and Katy Carter and to everyone who got bob and placing rosettes, and also the all those who competed I hope you enjoyed it as much as I.
I hope everyone has a happy Christmas and after we will be getting ready again for next year and to try and
again as it is wonderful.
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Post by Loubie on Dec 23, 2006 14:35:09 GMT
Aimee - thank you so much you are so kind! i have to say i was so releaved to be around you on the day - you were so chilled you calmed me down! thank you. Also you weren't bad company in the bar the night before too (i'd love to see the photos!)
Can't quite believe its over now but well done to everyone who made it and enjoyed the day, it was truly magical. personally i was delighted to qualify and be part of a truly stunning collection of horses
merry christmas and see you next year. Lxx
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Post by watcher on Dec 23, 2006 18:06:43 GMT
Clipped or Painted with Purple Spots the Dun Highland is to die for and Ridden so beautifully
Well Done to the owners, it is always a pleasure to watch
Well Done Everyone esp large breeds all super ponies
you all did the Native Breeds Proud
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Post by MM Fan on Dec 24, 2006 18:11:27 GMT
i love lucy's highland and dont think i have ever seen 1 so light on its feet and move as well! i think it well deserved its placed and in my eyes its the best highland i have ever seen! I don't mind the fact it was clipped in the slightest - I would rather see a bald coat than a hairy, sweaty pony, particularly at such a prestigious final. I'm more of a Trailtrow Taransay fan though - I think Ben is nice to look at, but a Highland pony wouldn't be capable of carrying deer off a mountain while flicking its toes like that.  |
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Post by me on Dec 24, 2006 19:48:26 GMT
Good job hes down here to entertain us & give his owners so much pleasure and not Stock Up some Mountain then with a deer straddled across his back, doing what suits  Merry Christmas |
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Post by ben fan on Dec 24, 2006 20:02:12 GMT
I think you are right leave Trailtrow Taransay on a mountain with a deer strapped to his back and leave Ben to flick his toes at Olympia were he is a star at the end of the day this is a showing competition not who can carry the biggest stag competition
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Post by sad on Dec 24, 2006 22:07:02 GMT
... to flick his toes at Olympia were he is a star at the end of the day this is a showing competition not who can carry the biggest stag competition That is truely tragic and just shows how showing is ruining the hertiage of our natives. No-one is suggesting these ponies should be carrying stags etc but to be true to type they should be able to survive in their natural habitat. Something like flicking feet would be criminal in the natural habitat and would result in the horse hitting the floor pretty quickly over the rough terrain. To lose these characterisitcs means we lose what makes our native ponies, what we see in the ring becomes a show pony, not a native pony. |
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Post by video watcher on Dec 24, 2006 22:07:45 GMT
Have just been watching the video's, well done to that person for doing that, for those that didn't get to go it's great to see them all doing their shows!
I thought taransay, did a lovely show so the preious comment was very uncalled for, he's a lovely example of the breed. So did Govenor. Dain did a fab job on his guy, actually thought he did the best show apart form his initial fidget at the beginning and should have had b of b! At least he was obedient in his show unlike wizard and Ri who both cantered when they should have just trotted away! As for the girl on the dales what on earth was she doing! If you are going to do a direct walk canter transition and vice versa, at least make it direct and correct! It was a disgrace, not professional at all.
Prince charming did a super show to, it's a shame that his hind socks don't match as it gives a bit of an optical illusion, which could be why some of you are commenting on him being unlevel!
But it was Hamish, that I thought was fab, to be reserve twice is great but I feel he deserves a win!
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Post by Guestless on Dec 24, 2006 23:01:38 GMT
Can I just point out Taransay is a mare and she is a fine example of a Highland pony. She also moves very well - freely and fluently which is why she was the best pony to qualify at the breed show. Please try to be polite with your comments - people are perfectly entitled to pass opinion on movement, etc but personal comments about leaving a pony up a mountain are a bit below the belt. At the end of the day if we are to protect our native breeds, then we have to ensure they are still suitable for doing the jobs they were originally bred for. |
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Post by HiPo fan on Dec 25, 2006 17:58:37 GMT
I think you are right leave Trailtrow Taransay on a mountain with a deer strapped to his back and leave Ben to flick his toes at Olympia were he is a star at the end of the day this is a showing competition not who can carry the biggest stag competition Good grief, how extraordinarily ignorant... |
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Post by fancy feet on Dec 25, 2006 19:23:15 GMT
mm fan I assume you haven't seen many highlands or perhaps ahve never attended either the breed show or the highland show. Perhaps you should make this one of your NY resolutions then you and every one else who is in to flicky footed highlands would be able to compare the breed type ;D
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Post by flicky toess on Dec 25, 2006 19:28:49 GMT
oops sorry mm fan not seeing straight ;)comments should have been addressed to the flicky toed brigade, too much christmas spirit maybe  |
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Post by representation of breed on Dec 26, 2006 15:21:56 GMT
ben is a lovely mover he is just enough not 2 flicky! if you r saying that about a highland mm then what about the section b now thats 2 flicky he doesnt move like a traditional b! bs should be workmen like! but ben he is just right its not over the top i think we like 2 see a bit of flick in the showing 2day but not 2 much thats when they lose thier representation of thier own breed.
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Post by MM Fan on Dec 26, 2006 19:41:57 GMT
oops sorry mm fan not seeing straight ;)comments should have been addressed to the flicky toed brigade, too much christmas spirit maybe I'll let you off this time - lay off the egg nog in future!  ben is a lovely mover he is just enough not 2 flicky! but ben he is just right its not over the top i think we like 2 see a bit of flick in the showing 2day but not 2 much thats when they lose thier representation of thier own breed. Well you're entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine - leaving this particular pony aside, I don't like to see ANY flicking on Highland ponies. It's certainly not (in my several years experience from the breed show and Highland show (for flicky toess board)) something I have seen Highland pony judges going for, except the odd English one perhaps.  I can't comment on Section Bs as I know nothing about them, although I did think they were more of the daisy-cutting type in any case so not that far removed from flicking toes. |
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Post by ben fan on Dec 27, 2006 8:15:17 GMT
Sorry for any offence my careless comment caused i just saw red after reading mm fans comments about ben, it was totally wrong of me to make a nasty remark about taransay i did not realise how bad it sounded not had chance to come online since i wrote it. I do wish people like mm fan would not make such remarks in the first place ben is a true to type highland that goes fantastic and several people on here have sniped at him and i do not understand why. Taransay is a diffrent stamp but that does not make him any better than ben just diffrent so it is down to individual preference. at the end of the day both ponies were at Olympia so they must both be top class highlands
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Post by twinkle toes on Dec 27, 2006 18:35:02 GMT
well ben fan if you knew a bit more you would realise taransay is a mare not a gelding wouldn't you? I suggested you do some homework over the next few months on the characteristics of mand m ponies and then you will be better qualified to make comments about breed type you may notice that flicky toes don't come in to the breed specification even if you do like them ;D |
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Post by what are you talking about on Dec 27, 2006 21:46:56 GMT
I would like to know what people think PPC is if they dont think hes a welsh b with a head and front like he can be nothing but welsh and you wont find a big B with any more bone. and if you see his progeny then he certainly doesnt throw them light of bone.
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Post by ben fan on Dec 28, 2006 17:20:45 GMT
Dear Twinkle toes, Sorry for calling her a he hardly a crime is it , I was trying to sat that people like diffrent types of highland pony and the term flicky toes is unfair i only used that term as it was used by m&m fan to knock ben i was being sarcastic when i said it and i have apologized for that already, ben moves very well and is light in the hand giving a much nicer profile than a highland that does not cover the ground as well and is on the forehand ben has qualified HOYS Olympia etc, he is a top class highland pony and the Cravens have always had fantastic ponies remember Vean Brown Trout, i do not know them personally but i give credit were it is due. do you? and just for the record have any of your ponies qualified Olympia or HOYS as you do seem quite an expert.
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Post by Expert on Dec 28, 2006 17:44:31 GMT
"Ben fan" you seem to be pretty much an expert with m and m's maybe you should use your name own so we can all come to you for advice?
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Post by twinkle toes on Dec 28, 2006 18:54:56 GMT
Hi Ben Fan yes they have. Happy New Year Twink |
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