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Post by Summertime on Jun 8, 2009 14:42:01 GMT
Very wet lol
Rhinns Point Fergus 1st Baileys Novice and Reserve Champion to Moortown Countryman
also Fergus was 1st and Junior Champion
go Fergus & Amber
Lovely show as always
thankyou to the EANPS society
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Post by pipandflo on Jun 8, 2009 14:57:33 GMT
I thought Baileys Novice ridden was not to have won a 1st before 15th May in M&M ridden classes ie; for true novices.
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Post by aries on Jun 8, 2009 15:12:44 GMT
I thought Baileys Novice ridden was not to have won a 1st before 15th May in M&M ridden classes ie; for true novices. You are correct, the schedule states not to have won ANY M&M Ridden class - and does not give time restrictions either, and does not even specify the classes have to be affiliated or open. Therefore neither Countryman nor Fergus were eligible. Sad case of pot hunting/cheating whatever you like to call it.
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Post by highlands on Jun 8, 2009 15:40:08 GMT
Ben Ruadh of Meggernie won highland ridden.
Lovely to see hannah and ruadh out,well done he went beautifully.
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Post by monsoon on Jun 8, 2009 15:41:13 GMT
aries and pipandflo, totally agree with you, we were in novice ridden and the rules stated "not to have won a 1st prize in M and M before closing date of entries 15th may", I think it is a real shame that we have to compete with real novices (mine was 1st time out) against ponies that have qualified for HOYS this year 2009.
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Post by pipandflo on Jun 8, 2009 16:16:17 GMT
So why didn't you complain, I wasn,t in those classes so have no axe to grind but surely champ and reserve weren't eligible
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Post by Summertime on Jun 8, 2009 16:19:41 GMT
Rules for Baileys Novice are:-
Rule 23 A NOVICE PONY for classes 6 -11 is defined as a pony that has not won a 1st prize in any ridden mountain and moorland breed class up to the closing date of entry.
Breed Class being the operative word, Fergus has never even been in a breed class, and is a Novice! He may have done a lot of winning this season but I can assure you he is still a true novice!
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Post by pipandflo on Jun 8, 2009 16:41:15 GMT
So that means that you could have been to Olympia last year and still be a Baileys novice! All comes down to interpretation of the rules I guess
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Post by rosie505 on Jun 8, 2009 16:48:35 GMT
We had a great day today... Mallards Wood Saint Peter was NF champion He was then Reserve Stallion Champion to Idyllic Entrepeneur And was then M&M champion with Moortown Honeyman in Reserve... So great day for James Well Done, who was judging this part as the only championship I saw Honeyman in, he went champion.Honeyman looked fantastic! Rules for Baileys Novice are:- Rule 23 A NOVICE PONY for classes 6 -11 is defined as a pony that has not won a 1st prize in any ridden mountain and moorland breed class up to the closing date of entry. Breed Class being the operative word, Fergus has never even been in a breed class, and is a Novice! He may have done a lot of winning this season but I can assure you he is still a true novice! Thanks for pointing that out & well done with your boy, he's lovely.
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Post by nffan on Jun 8, 2009 17:28:25 GMT
Rosie, the NF Championsip was Michael Sharpley, the stallion championship was Barbara Stiles, the M&M Championship was Len Bigley
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Post by arch1 on Jun 8, 2009 17:51:51 GMT
Rules for Baileys Novice are:- Rule 23 A NOVICE PONY for classes 6 -11 is defined as a pony that has not won a 1st prize in any ridden mountain and moorland breed class up to the closing date of entry. Breed Class being the operative word, Fergus has never even been in a breed class, and is a Novice! He may have done a lot of winning this season but I can assure you he is still a true novice! Both ponies throughly deserved the Champ and Res in this Novice championship. It is a class meant for real novices, not to have won a 1st prize in an open class. However there is a rule in the EANPS rule book, that states that the ponies were not to have won a breed class. This rule has been over looked by the EANPS and was not meant to state, 'not to have won a breed class', but was meant to say that the ponies were not to have won any open class before 15th May 2009. Therefore no rules were broken and it definately wasnt a case of pot hunting or cheating. This rule will be changed for next year, so that it doesnt state 'breed class'. Well done to the owners and riders of the two ponies.
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Post by poop on Jun 8, 2009 17:52:33 GMT
I think most of the in hand section A's were very white, including their tails!
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Post by shud sj on Jun 8, 2009 18:39:19 GMT
Well done Amber and Fergus OMG I think people are off on there little green eyed monster trek again oh what a surprise. lol
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Post by true2type on Jun 8, 2009 18:48:54 GMT
Does anyone know the con/Nf results for the olympia and the connemara in hand results please
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Post by gemgem on Jun 8, 2009 18:55:21 GMT
Does anyone know who the photographer was please?
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Post by Jolie on Jun 8, 2009 18:56:12 GMT
real time imaging - photos not on-line yet
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Post by pipandflo on Jun 8, 2009 18:56:55 GMT
No green eyes here, we have always done the Baileys novice with real babies as we always thought that the class was for them, don't know the ponies, wasn't in the classes but did the real novices stand a chance?
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Post by gemgem on Jun 8, 2009 18:57:57 GMT
Thanks norman1.
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Post by Jolie on Jun 8, 2009 18:58:08 GMT
Very wet lol WET!!! yep, you could say that, I had 5 classes sunday morning!! still got rugs and show jackets etc all over the house trying to dry out.
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Post by arch1 on Jun 8, 2009 19:09:12 GMT
Full results will be on WWW.EANPS.co.uk in the next day (maybe tonight) Conny Results below Class 54 OPEN RIDDEN, 1st 188 Ardbear Spirit, , Conn, S, 7, s Coosheen Thyme, d Ardbear Belle, Exh Mrs Bagshaw, Bredder Mrs Connelly, owner Exh, . 3rd 403 Andy Pride, CPSM11975, Conn, M, 12, s Ardravinna Andy, d Fox's Pride, Exh Mrs Davis-Pannell, Breeder Mr B O'Hare, Owner Exh, . 2nd 515 Millfields Sonnet, ECPSM01660, Conn, M, 9, s Millfields Troubadour, d Millfield Solitaire, Exh Mrs Green, Breeder Mrs Rolinson, Owner Exh, Rider C Green. Class 55 YEARLING FILLY, COLT or GELDING. 2nd 83 Charterhouse Attree, FC02513, Conn, F, 1, s Silver Fox, d Pilgrims Omulet, Exh Mrs Papworth, Breeder Exh, Owner Exh, . 1st & Champ 458 Chilham Pursuit, FC01582, Conn, C, 1, s Castle Comet, d Walstead Purdy, Exh M Larkin, Breeder V Compton, Owner Exh, . Class 56 2 & 3 YEAR OLD FILLY, COLT or GELDING. 1st 96 Innellan Osprey, FC02400, Conn, G, 2, s Liscaninane Boy CPS501191, d Innellan Odette ECPSM01182, Exh Mrs Sutton, Breeder Mr J Beeley, Owner Exh, . Comp No. 137 Tasty Dream, S00186, Conn, S, 3, s Tasty Pride, d Noelle Dream, Exh Mrs Maestrani, Breeder Mrs Kearns, Owner Exh, . 2nd 289 Silverbridge Alfie, FC02082, Connemara, Gelding, 3, s Fenrose Murphy, d Curraghnakeely Holiday, Exh Mrs Stevens, Breeder J Stevens, Owner J Stevens, . Class 57 MARE or GELDING, 4 years old or over. 1st & Res 185 Ardbear shadow, , Conn, G, 5, s Glencarrig Lexus, d Ardbear Millie, Exh Mr Cox, Breeder M Connelly, Owner Exh, Rider K Ramsden. 2nd 338 Rickamore Archer, BCPSG021099, Conn, G, 4, s Ard Archer, d Honeys Tatler, Exh L Ryan, Breeder Ms P Magahey, Owner Exh, . Class 58 STALLION, 4 years old or over. None
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Post by chatterbox on Jun 8, 2009 20:02:29 GMT
I think all stewards who managed to keep results dry enough to read and reproduce deserve their own medals! Again a lovely show my favourite of the year, yes I do think there is still plenty of space to make some rings bigger, but still a lovely show Well done to all involved
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Post by westerly on Jun 8, 2009 21:23:05 GMT
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Post by meadowlands on Jun 8, 2009 21:24:04 GMT
My stallion, Meadowlands Mooncatcher, won the Welsh B stallion class, reserve overall B champion, medalled and qualified for the National Welsh In-hand show at Shrewsbury! Well done to Pauline and Maurice of the Colliyers Stud who have him on lease this year and also to Karen from the Harwel Stud who shows the ponies for them!!
Great news Karen - it is lovely to hear he is doing so well - keep that flag flying ! ! ;D
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Post by roie505 on Jun 8, 2009 21:41:07 GMT
Rosie, the NF Championsip was Michael Sharpley, the stallion championship was Barbara Stiles, the M&M Championship was Len Bigley Ok, thanks. I watched the supreme that D Chadwich was judging.
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Post by madam on Jun 8, 2009 21:47:28 GMT
A big well done to to Charlie (Meadowlands Mooncatcher), Karen this news must have cheered you up after such a drowning at midland Counties - not good on your first weekend helping us with the trade stand,!
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Post by chardonnay on Jun 8, 2009 21:51:40 GMT
Rules for Baileys Novice are:- Rule 23 A NOVICE PONY for classes 6 -11 is defined as a pony that has not won a 1st prize in any ridden mountain and moorland breed class up to the closing date of entry. Breed Class being the operative word, Fergus has never even been in a breed class, and is a Novice! He may have done a lot of winning this season but I can assure you he is still a true novice! Both ponies throughly deserved the Champ and Res in this Novice championship. It is a class meant for real novices, not to have won a 1st prize in an open class. However there is a rule in the EANPS rule book, that states that the ponies were not to have won a breed class. This rule has been over looked by the EANPS and was not meant to state, 'not to have won a breed class', but was meant to say that the ponies were not to have won any open class before 15th May 2009. Therefore no rules were broken and it definately wasnt a case of pot hunting or cheating. This rule will be changed for next year, so that it doesnt state 'breed class'. Well done to the owners and riders of the two ponies. there are several rules in the showing world that can be interpreted in a way to suit competitors who wish to compete, although i feel it is important to remember that our sport needs to remain fair and people need to enter ponies for classes where they won't be overly questioned due to winnings before the show. i wasn't there but reading this thread i understand that this class was meant for true novices and not for ponies who have already qualified for hoys/olmpia? maybe all the societies should get together and amalgamate their rulings on novices as it is all very confusing.
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Post by vodkablue on Jun 8, 2009 22:25:30 GMT
Summertine and Amber whoop whoop very well done and as its stated all within the rules. If your last or first in showing there is always someone ready to have a go. Go team Fergus and make all the Highland Pony owners proud. Ohh and some do say you haveno made it till you are bit*hed about on HG LOL
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Post by chardonnay on Jun 8, 2009 22:50:25 GMT
Summertine and Amber whoop whoop very well done and as its stated all within the rules. If your last or first in showing there is always someone ready to have a go. Go team Fergus and make all the Highland Pony owners proud. Ohh and some do say you haveno made it till you are bit*hed about on HG LOL it doesn't seem that anyone is bit*hing but that the rules should be interpreted in the true sportsmanship spirit they were meant to be. i believe that the highland has won many classes including at championship shows and that the dartmoor is already qualified for hoys/olympia? maybe i'm wrong but just going on what has been said on here?!!
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Post by Hack on Jun 8, 2009 22:52:31 GMT
I am not a mm person bout Out of intrest if you Q for hoys is that not a breed class?
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Post by leo on Jun 8, 2009 22:56:40 GMT
it's all about how you interpret the wording, 'breed' class means a class for your breed only, ie. winning a ridden dartmoor class - either at the breed show, a county show or indeed at a show like EANPS where they hold single breed only classes on the sunday.
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