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Post by sarahp on Jun 10, 2009 12:03:09 GMT
"there choice if they want to take the chance in doing open classes and risk loosing it's novice status." Of course it is, there's no argument with that, but it is currently possible to quite legally, as in this case, do really well and still keep their novice status instead of moving up to the open classes completely. It's all a question of how the rules are written. Which is doubtless much more difficult to sort out than it sounds, like defining who is home produced!
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 10, 2009 12:19:14 GMT
So well done to Sarah and Lexy for the lovely Dandelion.
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Post by sarahp on Jun 10, 2009 12:38:02 GMT
Very many thanks, but I think the thread's moved on!
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Post by squiffy on Jun 10, 2009 12:39:42 GMT
Yes Sarah, very well done. Carol is the nicest person, always ready to congratulate the winners, such a pro, beautiful pony.
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Post by vodkablue on Jun 10, 2009 17:44:53 GMT
this thread is one of the reasons why I dont have an account on here can't people just be pleased for owners, riders and there ponies anymore. There seems to be a constant witch hunt on this forum every other day I would like to say to all the winners at this show with Novices or Open ponies and horses, a very well done. ;D Just imagine if this witch hunt was at you, how would you feel as it would totally tarnish the joy and hard work you put into your pony and the great day you had at the show.Maybe peeps should think before they hit the send button in future and think a bit about what they post. Or maybe you are the type that is never happy for anyone and will be eaten up by jealousy, bad feeling and scorn for the rest of you days. Anyway I have said my bit and wish everyone all the best for the rest of the show season
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Post by sd52 on Jun 10, 2009 18:15:32 GMT
Well said vodkablue there is a really nasty witch hunt on forthcoming events that concerns my ponies and it does tarnish the joy and hard work that went into qualification, but on the other hand you are right to say that some people are never happy for anyone and jealousy is a very destructive emoton which in the end gets you nowhere.
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jun 10, 2009 19:01:03 GMT
Interestingly, the constant bickering is the VERY reason why I DO have an account on here. I simply, naively hoped that I might be able to make a difference. but, human nature is what it is.
SD52, do not worry. Let them bicker. Your pony doesn't have a clue what these t...otally obnoxious (nearly said something else!) green-eyed people are harping on about. Continue to enjoy him!!
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Post by foxylady on Jun 10, 2009 19:28:51 GMT
I think there should be a whole rethink on what constitutes a novice pony perhaps once a pony has qualified for any of the three main chps they should automatically be denoviced apart from being able to keep their novice tickets for the summer chps . When we qualified our novice pony quite unexpectedly ( and no I wouldn't do it again ) I did not enter him in any other novice classes even though he was eligible as I knew what people would say !!! I think part of the problem is that there are just not enough novice classes once the season gets going so people have to enter open classes , perhaps you should only be able to enter a hoys class when the pony has turned 5 so that they can at least have a true novice year especially the MM's who mature later. Just food for thought really.
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Post by Was at area 13 on Jun 10, 2009 19:36:14 GMT
The rules are there in black and white and both these ponies are true novices. I think the fact that they are both so young and have only come out under saddle this year the producer, rider's and owners should be congratulated on there success not slated or put down as pot hunter's. I thought we are in this sport for the same thing Firstly FUN and secondly too COMPETE. Not quite true, Fergus won the PUK confined Novice ridden at NPS Area 13 on 29th Nov 2008. So not as novicey as you are making out. He also won several championship classes at PUK Southern Winter. Again no body is doubting what a good job everyone does, just that they are not true novices.
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Post by ellieraga on Jun 10, 2009 20:32:02 GMT
Nobody is doubting they are good poinies and i am sure no one is that jealous that they are on a witch hunt, i for one am certaintley not ? Just find if very strange that these true novices have only come out under saddle this year, but fergus won under saddle last year ?
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Post by grotty on Jun 10, 2009 21:27:40 GMT
My stallion, Meadowlands Mooncatcher, won the Welsh B stallion class, reserve overall B champion, medalled and qualified for the National Welsh In-hand show at Shrewsbury! Well done to Pauline and Maurice of the Colliyers Stud who have him on lease this year and also to Karen from the Harwel Stud who shows the ponies for them!! Karen I have had the peasure of meeting Charlie at Maurice and Paulines, fab result!!! They were over the moon with him and he is such a lovely boy with manners to burn!!!
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Post by novice on Jun 10, 2009 21:30:16 GMT
Hi, if you beleive the pony was a novice why enter hoys/olympia? I wouldnt!!!
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Post by kt66horses on Jun 10, 2009 21:37:35 GMT
Grotty - thanks for your lovely comments. I am so pleased for them both as they truly love my boy. He couldn't have gone to better people.
Karen
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Post by grotty on Jun 10, 2009 21:53:31 GMT
Grotty - thanks for your lovely comments. I am so pleased for them both as they truly love my boy. He couldn't have gone to better people. Karen Karen you are so right! I have known them for nearly 20 years, they breed the most beautiful ponies and truly care where each one goes when sold. I really feel that Charlie will only enhance Paulines Sec B breeding plans!!! You are so lucky to own such a beautiful well mannered boy! I hope to see him again soon as I try to visit them every month or 2, even if all I ever get from Bob is a grumpy sourpuss face!! lol Can't wait to see what they get next year!!
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Post by Jessica on Jun 10, 2009 22:36:46 GMT
Does anyone know the name of the welsh B youngstock champ and who it belongs to? Was stunning!
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Post by monarch123 on Jun 10, 2009 23:20:11 GMT
are the results posted yet
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Post by eanps guest on Jun 11, 2009 7:33:44 GMT
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Post by notsurprised on Jun 11, 2009 8:48:45 GMT
I have been watching this thread with interest and it seems to be turning into a witch-hunt. Professional or Homeproduced, all young ponies and horses have to start somewhere. So, "notsurprised" (a guest) your comment about true novices not standing a chance against the professionals just doesn't stack up. A novice class is not the same as a home-produced class. I do know the difference between novice & home-produced!! Having competed in both myself. My comment was down to the fact that these ponies have won many red rosettes & championships - so they might be in their 1st full season of showing but they are far from novices in reality I'm not jealous, quite the opposite, these are 2 superb examples of their breed & I wish them well in their respective careers, just leave Novice classes for the novice ponies to enter & be able to compete equally with other novices
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Post by Welsh B on Jun 11, 2009 10:11:18 GMT
Does anyone know the name of the welsh B youngstock champ and who it belongs to? Was stunning! That pony is Brookhall Neptune, owned and bred by Mr & Mrs Greenleaf. Thay have beautiful B's.
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Post by eanps guest on Jun 11, 2009 10:29:13 GMT
At the end of the day they didn't break any rules, just because it is his novice year doesn't mean he can't contest HOYs and Olympia qualifiers. If you want to sell a pony vendors expect a proven track record, and maybe they are preparing to sell him?
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Post by chocaholic on Jun 11, 2009 11:20:17 GMT
I don't see any reason why a novice pony should not qualify /compete at HOYs . if the pony is mentally and physically ready. The interpretation of eligiblity for the class in question is written clearly and it would seem that these ponies have not broken any rules . It would appear that this was a mistake or oversight on the side of the organisers and is being altered for 2010. I suppose it depends on the individual interpretation of "true novice" . Is this a horse or pony which has not reached the required level of schooling for an open class or just one which is lacking "mileage " If so then should this then barr any pony / horse which has been introduced to the ridden classes and done it with maturity beyond its experience from being a novice I cant see a problem with a stunning animal which goes beautifully winning a novice or open class in its first year of showing, regardless of age or previous wins .
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Post by wornthetshirt on Jun 11, 2009 11:25:28 GMT
But 'notsurprised', from time immemorial, since Jack-was-a-boy, some "novices" have been more "novicey" than other "novices".
Some are quick developers, good learners and come to it quicker than others. Some take ages to get to grips with the new job.
In Horse classes, I know that I'm very much not alone when the occasional exhibitor expects you (as a Ride judge) to do their schooling for them - and in 2 minutes!
Others have had a super grounding and are capable of going on in Open classes from day one. (That, of course, is the way to WIN novice classes)
Sometimes it is a darn site safer to ride a good young horse (or pony) in an Open class, than risk getting it bashed into by a raw one (which, if coupled by an inexperienced rider, can be a recipie for disaster)
But that isn't really the issue with this EANPS situation & I still think we see a bit of the 'Green eyed monster' here.
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Post by Guestless on Jun 11, 2009 14:16:45 GMT
Can we please move on from the novice discussion - it's been debated on here time and time again, and if its a wish of members then you are free to start another thread in the Lounge. Whether people like it or not, these ponies didn't break the rules (albeit they may have interpreted them a bit more loosely than others would have) and it won't happen again next year. Nothing anyone says will change the results but you can all rest happy knowing the rules will be looked at for next year and move on.
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Post by bopper on Jun 11, 2009 14:53:49 GMT
Quite agree, move on. So much more went on at the show. HOYS, Olympias, up & coming youngsters, sure people have more to talk about.
We had a great time, other than the rain. It gave me and my husband a bldy cold. But of course he is much worse than me!!!
Does anyone know anything about the connie that won the olympia. Good to see new ones about.
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Post by kt66horses on Jun 11, 2009 15:26:37 GMT
Grotty - are you going to the Royal Norfolk with them? If so could you try and get me a nice picture of him as there weren't any of him at this show!! I also can't wait to see his foals next year. His first foals for me are beautiful!
Karen
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Post by Harold on Jun 11, 2009 21:27:31 GMT
If you're all so worried about one class with unclear rules at this show then don't compete under bSPS rules as you stay a Novice until the hunter folk would consider you a veteran! Who on earth thought up the STUPID BSPS rule of letting ponies stay Novice until they are 7. The true BSPS "starters" no longer have a class.
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Post by talisker on Jun 19, 2009 11:44:54 GMT
I must admit i think a novice pony should stay novice for a season and it should not be based on wins. Julies riders do an amazing Job. I know how great Katie and Linzi made Mins look under saddle at his first shows. When i jump on a home its a whole different story and he is so a novice.
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Post by hunter on Jun 22, 2009 12:45:53 GMT
everyone seems v impressed with the connie ,he is brocklodge buster ,this is his first season over in the uk ,he is from ireland ,and im glad you all love him because i have a two year old colt by him !!!!!!!!
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Post by blackknight nli on Jun 22, 2009 12:50:54 GMT
Lucky you Hunter, he was totally stunning in every way, he went like a dream and looked fab to ride. I was sure he was going to get the Olympia ticket - he got my vote!! ( even tho i do love Leo too!!)
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Post by miller on Jun 22, 2009 13:01:55 GMT
I saw him at EofE this weekend he is very smart, but got spooked by the driving horses so did not get placed. I do't know his rider or the stud are they new to showing? she did look a bit of a novice.
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