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Post by Ren on Jul 24, 2009 15:03:10 GMT
Does Abbie come on here ? If so - Abbie I thought your mare was absolutely STUNNING and was totally captivated watching her in the go round (and have lots of photos of her too). If you ever want to loan her for breeding, then let us know She is beautiful cob, but also was really impressed at how balanced and loose she is too, and loved her attitude too. Wow!! I'm Abbie, the owner of llwynhywel sofren goch (ren) thank you so much Lexy for your lovely comments . We were completely overwhelmed with our result yesterday (last year we were 5th, and i didn't think we would beat that), especially with the conditions. But she did us proud as usual Congratulations on your result with your stallion , he really is lovely. Thank you everyone for your congratulations... i just about managed to squeeze rens head out the door this morning ;D
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Post by a judge on Jul 24, 2009 15:19:07 GMT
i agree the movement of the mare is very artifical, i seen that mare over many years and she never moved like that before. how people think when a pony leans back head waving in the air with leg movement like that is attractive is beyond me!! the movement is eyecatching but very in correct!!
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Post by Gabbie on Jul 24, 2009 15:22:10 GMT
The D marks were taken by someone!! All the marks were taped up outside the ring but some of them dissapeared!! So someone has them if they could be so kind as to put them on please.
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Post by sarahp on Jul 24, 2009 15:29:32 GMT
Anyone got the marks for the ridden D breed classes in the main ring?
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Post by seventy8910 on Jul 24, 2009 15:50:40 GMT
All the marks are available from the RW office usually pinned up on the wall inside for everyone to see. If you phone them they will send a copy of the marks sheet to you just give them the class no.
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Post by sec d on Jul 24, 2009 16:04:05 GMT
Hi All just looked up one of the d's that won at RW and both its parents are C's. Just interested to know how you register this as a D?
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Post by avenger on Jul 24, 2009 16:12:02 GMT
If sec c grows over 13.2hh it can be re registered as D. Also if cob registered as D fails to grow over 13.2hh it can be reregistered as c at 7 years of age.
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Post by CandD on Jul 24, 2009 16:13:29 GMT
Hi All just looked up one of the d's that won at RW and both its parents are C's. Just interested to know how you register this as a D? Surely that is just due to its height? A Welsh Sec C must measure under 137.2cm whilst a D is just a bigger version. Taken from WPCS - "The main difference is size: Section C's do not exceed 13.2 h.h. (137.2 cms) while Section D's are larger."
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Post by hunter on Jul 24, 2009 17:59:30 GMT
couldnt get any straighter :0)
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Post by C D on Jul 24, 2009 18:29:13 GMT
Thats very strange about the D having C sire AND dam, I enquired myself this year due to the size of 1 of our foals and i was told by the lady at WPCS that a foal from C sire AND dam can only be a C, if it goes over its just an over hight C, a foal from D sire AND dam can only be a D if it doesn't make the hight then its just under hight, Only when the foal has 1 parent C and the other D can it change sections if need be on gaining a life hight cert.
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Post by sarahp on Jul 24, 2009 18:37:45 GMT
No, not the case. If both parents are Cs it can only be registered in first instance as a C, but can be re-reg as a D at whatever point it grows over 13.2. If both parents are Ds it can only be originally reg as a D, but can be re-reg as a C at 7yo or over if it stays C height - I do know, one I've bred has been done. If one parent is C and the other a D, you can choose which section to register the foal in but it's usually sensible to choose C as you can move them up at any age but they have to be 7yo to move down to make sure they don't grow any more.
It all makes sense when you think that that Cs and Ds are part of the same genetic population and have the same breed description but only separated by height.
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Post by wizardess on Jul 24, 2009 19:11:14 GMT
That straight leg action of the sec A mare is not coming from the shoulder (as the breed standard requires). Might look impressive but there is no power behind it. Where are her hocks while all this eye-catching front leg flinging is going on?
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Post by sec A on Jul 24, 2009 19:15:25 GMT
the A
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Post by sec A on Jul 24, 2009 19:17:05 GMT
The A Judging was just like the ring (mud) say no more
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Post by cleopatra on Jul 24, 2009 19:37:48 GMT
have to agree about the a champ, def not a true welsh natural movement,and as for the judging......bit like the weather c****, and as for next years judge, who the hell picks them!!!let have someone younger who can see quality in front of them and give everyone who pays there entries a fare chance, think i'll show a plate of eggs next year instead of an A!!!
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Post by Stacey on Jul 24, 2009 19:58:29 GMT
Can I just say before you continue to slag Mark & Liz's pony off - did you ever see Pendock Legend?! There is a reason why these ponies are consistent winners, as for putting her head up, I'd love to see the critics running a pony which covers the ground like she does and be able to keep up!
I think the champion was very worthy and she has always moved this way, as do many of her siblings regardless of who ones and shows them. The whole point of a pony moving from the shoulder is so that they cover ground and are unaffected by any unlevel footing whilst on the hill - I would love to see some of the ponies which supposedly move get going on some bad ground, I think this year's royal welsh sorted that out don't you?!
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Post by laugh on Jul 24, 2009 20:05:17 GMT
stacey.....i'm afraid you have no idea what your talking about
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Post by hairys on Jul 24, 2009 20:33:29 GMT
Thankyou SarahP for explaining that so well. I can assure you all that the C bred D is well over 137.2.
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Post by a judge on Jul 24, 2009 20:33:32 GMT
stacey, please could tell me what other pony moves in that exact way that is owned by someone else? you say this royal welsh sorted that out, sorted what? the guy was a joke!! he was random, he had no type, what he would have to win 1 class he would chuck similar types out in the next! the mares show record this year has been ok, she has been beat in her class regular and there is a reason for that, she is a ok mare not a bad mare but not a great mare either. i congratulate the owners as everyone wants to do what they have achieved but i still say the movement is false
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Post by bellabella on Jul 24, 2009 20:35:47 GMT
I'm a fan of the Idyllic ponies and I respect Jenny, Norman, Mark and Liz for everything they have achieved. Well done Team Kilbey. I am really delighted for you all and wish you every success, always.
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Post by Stacey on Jul 24, 2009 20:50:30 GMT
I think you are missing the point - I am not critiquing the judge, you will notice I haven't given my opinion. As far as sorting them out goes, not many ponies could move in the mud, which made the ponies that could move even more noticeable.
I am not getting into an argument about whether you like the pony or not, that's your opinion, however I stick to what I said, and if you think I am wrong then you are also implying the very senior and well respected panel judges who have taught me this and put up similar moving ponies are wrong too - maybe you ought to read a few more of Dr Wynn's books?! I am sure that someone who had the courage of their conviction wouldn't feel the need to hide behind an alias.
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Post by Champ mare on Jul 24, 2009 20:53:07 GMT
The Section A judging was a disgrace! The man didn`t have a clue! There was no consistency in type or movement or indeed anything else! And Stacey, as for the Champion being a worthy winner, what rubbish! the mare has no more Welsh Mountain pony movement than I do! i`d love to see her running up and down the mountains with that movement cos she`d go head over heels! One lady at the ringside voiced her opinion to her companion about the mares un natural movement and was jumped on by an earwigging Jenny Kilbey who proceeded to shout her mouth off about how many other well known welshies had the same movement, quoting amongst others, Coed Coch Planed! I`d never heard such tosh! Planed had quite a bit of knee action but also extended and MOVED freely from the shoulder! Not like a puppet! As for respecting them, well many many people saw old man idyllic kick his mare up the backside in the ring on camera on Tuesday - disgusting behaviour and he should have been kicked out of the ring and disqualified from future classes that day! It horrifies me to think what else they do if they will kick one of their ponies up the backside in view of thousands of people, not only at the show, but on camera too! The whole of this mans judging was a complete farce, a disappointment and a waste of money for many of the competitors with beautiful ponies there who didn`t get a look in! And before anyone says, NO, I wasn`t showing, I was just a very disgusted and disillusioned spectator!!
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Post by Disgusted on Jul 24, 2009 20:59:29 GMT
Really glad that people have seen through the Section B judge! Knew before the show who would win and do well so for the first time didn't even bother going to watch. How can anyone stand in front of so many knowledgable people and not care what we all think? What overwhelming arrogance! As for the owners of the champion, they are just as bad as her. What sort of person gets pleasure from that sort of win?
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Post by michellejonesziggy on Jul 24, 2009 21:04:41 GMT
anyone know a link to watch the d stallions in hand and or ridden well done terry and flash so pleased for you !!!!!!
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Post by i was there on Jul 24, 2009 21:05:06 GMT
I agree the judging left a lot to be desired and like many could not make head nor tail of what he wanted but i can only assume that if hadn't seen anything that he really truly LIKED then he had to make a decision and if he was looking for a pony that put on a show then it was Pebbles. Love her or hate her she shone every time she entered the ring and for all the people that say she has no hock engagement, well i think its time you went to spec savers!! There are far too many ponies these days tied in in the elbow, poor confirmation full stop that couldn't get up a slope never mind a mountain! Yes Pebbles is extravegent and maybe more than is needed to survive but surely more if better than not enough?
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Post by c d thankyou on Jul 24, 2009 21:06:24 GMT
SarahP thankyou for explaining that for us, can you please phone up the WPCS and explain thier registration rules for C and D's to them because they havn't got a bloody clue!!!!!
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Post by jaymar2228 on Jul 24, 2009 21:10:46 GMT
Judge bashing this year has escalated out of all proportion both in hand and ridden .We have all left a ring considering we were robbed and if we are honest we have all had placings we did not deserve ( but how many come on here and admit we did not deserve it ) .It is time we all remembered that judging is fundamentally a personal and hopefully imformed decision on the day . Give these people a break they are not highly paid professionals and just do it for the love of the breed. Please note I am not a "GUEST!!!!!!!"
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Post by diadem sli on Jul 24, 2009 21:13:08 GMT
I can only re iterate what SarahP said, if a pony of that section goes overheight it can indeed be re registered as a D. Regardless of the C breeding.
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Post by hairys on Jul 24, 2009 21:14:17 GMT
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Post by champ mare on Jul 24, 2009 21:14:30 GMT
Sorry jaymar, but alot of the judges do do it for personal gain! The majority show also and they give a medal or championship out here to get one back there! Come on, wise up, the majority are bent and get off on the power trip too!!
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