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Post by cheshmere on Jul 24, 2009 21:17:41 GMT
So proud with our ponies at cheshmere and riders started with cheshmere tegan gaining 4th in a very good class of brood mares ,then terry and cheshmere flashman getting 1st and champion getting a lovely gold medal in his ridden class, we left him out of the hoys class. Then our d mare winnydene mayflower got 5th in her ridden class rode by cassie as terry was still on flash thankyou cassie. Then cassie rode coran as she as been doing this year and they did us proud again gaining 4th in the hoys class getting also the best A taking the A trophy
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Post by jaymar2228 on Jul 24, 2009 21:18:58 GMT
If I felt so negative about it all I would not set foot in a ring again
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Post by i was there on Jul 24, 2009 21:21:47 GMT
champ mare, i think its time you gave up showing ponies and started with budgies or something, hell fire why do you waste your entry fee's if its all so corrupt like you say and tell everyone else? We all show for our own reasons and some may not agree with them but thats our decisions, but i repeat if you feel its so bad why compete or are you waiting for your return favour so will stick with it?
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Post by diamondsapphire on Jul 24, 2009 21:23:03 GMT
Hi - just reading the comments, and was wondering if someone could tell me how a pony is taught to move 'articfially'? Especially if the pony has appeared to move differently in the past? Not having a go or being sarcastic if it sounds that way when read - just quite curious!!
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Post by WELL SAID on Jul 24, 2009 21:25:27 GMT
The Section A judging was a disgrace! The man didn`t have a clue! There was no consistency in type or movement or indeed anything else! And Stacey, as for the Champion being a worthy winner, what rubbish! the mare has no more Welsh Mountain pony movement than I do! i`d love to see her running up and down the mountains with that movement cos she`d go head over heels! One lady at the ringside voiced her opinion to her companion about the mares un natural movement and was jumped on by an earwigging Jenny Kilbey who proceeded to shout her mouth off about how many other well known welshies had the same movement, quoting amongst others, Coed Coch Planed! I`d never heard such tosh! Planed had quite a bit of knee action but also extended and MOVED freely from the shoulder! Not like a puppet! As for respecting them, well many many people saw old man idyllic kick his mare up the backside in the ring on camera on Tuesday - disgusting behaviour and he should have been kicked out of the ring and disqualified from future classes that day! It horrifies me to think what else they do if they will kick one of their ponies up the backside in view of thousands of people, not only at the show, but on camera too! The whole of this mans judging was a complete farce, a disappointment and a waste of money for many of the competitors with beautiful ponies there who didn`t get a look in! And before anyone says, NO, I wasn`t showing, I was just a very disgusted and disillusioned spectator!! VERY VERY WELL SAID....COMPLETELY AGREE. ITS SO SAD THAT A JUDGE CAN PUT UP THIS SORT OF FALSE UNNATURAL MOVEMENT AT THE BIGGEST SHOW IN THE WORLD ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW ENOUGH TO GO HOME THINKING THAT IS GOOD, TRUE MOVEMENT.
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Post by Champ mare on Jul 24, 2009 21:33:58 GMT
i was there ....please read my post correctly! I do not show as I have already said, I don`t need favours off anyone, my ponies do well and sell well because they are quality WELSH MOUNTAIN PONIES! Thought this was a discussion and a place for opinions, didn`t realise the only opinions allowed are the ones that agree with you! You don`t know me, so don`t pass your ill advised opinions on me or my ponies - however, I was there at the RWAS, saw the disgusting judging and saw a pony given a championship who doesn`t have true Welsh Mountain pony movement at all, now I`m not saying she`s not a nice mare, she is lovely, but her movement isn`t correct for a Section A- slate me all you like I really don`t care, but the fact remains! I am not the only person to have this opinion, either on this forum or indeed at the Royal welsh, in fact it was the talk of the place!
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Post by interesting on Jul 24, 2009 21:35:15 GMT
VERY VERY WELL SAID....COMPLETELY AGREE. ITS SO SAD THAT A JUDGE CAN PUT UP THIS SORT OF FALSE UNNATURAL MOVEMENT AT THE BIGGEST SHOW IN THE WORLD ALLOWING PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW ENOUGH TO GO HOME THINKING THAT IS GOOD, TRUE MOVEMENT. Come on then, who's the present day ideal as these consistently placed ponies under varied judges at this show are so incorrect, who should we be looking at so we know what we should be seeing the breed description identify??
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Post by Stacey on Jul 24, 2009 21:35:20 GMT
I just found this picture of Planed, I guess you think his action is false too?
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Post by jaymar2228 on Jul 24, 2009 21:35:52 GMT
Mrs Kilby has a phenomenal record in the Royal Welsh I would love to look at any of her winners over a stable door every day and whilst on the subject was dyfrdwy seren arian not a spectacular mover ridden up a mountain regularly and a royal welsh winner twice
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Post by Champ mare on Jul 24, 2009 21:38:36 GMT
Stacey, the very beautiful Planed...you are not honestly telling us this is the same movement as Pebbles? Come on now, even you have to admit that isn`t true, not to the extent pebbles does it?
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Post by Champ mare on Jul 24, 2009 21:40:18 GMT
jaymar - you`re not Jenny Kilbey are you? lol
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Post by jaymar2228 on Jul 24, 2009 21:42:26 GMT
No but I wish I had her ponies and I am sure so would many others !!!!
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Post by Stacey on Jul 24, 2009 21:44:57 GMT
Champ Mare, if you compare the pictures of Planed to the pictures of Pebbles on the Idyllic website you cannot deny that the similarities are more than striking...
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Post by Curious on Jul 24, 2009 21:46:53 GMT
Other than one being black and white and other colour i don't see much difference to be honest in Planed and Pebbles Champ mare, out of interest what bloodlines do your ponies have, sure we must have heard of them if they have done and sold so well so will give us all a chance to see the difference? www.idyllicstud.com/individuals/pebbles/pebbles.htm
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Post by dizzy on Jul 24, 2009 21:49:33 GMT
Well done to all at Cheshmere fab results.
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Post by tHE POINT IS on Jul 24, 2009 21:50:25 GMT
False action - is it implanted like false boobs then - tell me please and I will rush away and sort our Welsh Mountain Pony out - bless him, he has a decent enough front as it is -
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Post by WELL SAID on Jul 24, 2009 21:51:33 GMT
STACEY......how can so many people at the rwas who voiced the same opinion as 'champ mare' be wrong. For it to be the talk of the show there must be something odd about the movement. She did not move from her shoulder or track up behind, all the photos of her show her hind legs doing very little. and as for planed....try finding a good photo of him really going and you'll see his true movement. section a judge was honestly gaga.
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Post by Champ mare on Jul 24, 2009 21:55:21 GMT
Think you will find the similarity is only because Pebbles legs are on the way down in her stride - photo`s do not give the true impression as I am sure you are all well aware! I just wondered why I am the one being attacked on here rather than all the other people who commented too? Am I touching on a nerve perhaps? By the way, you may have heard of the lines I follow, Coed Coch???!!!!!
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Post by Numbers count on Jul 24, 2009 21:58:54 GMT
STACEY......how can so many people at the rwas who voiced the same opinion as 'champ mare' be wrong. For it to be the talk of the show there must be something odd about the movement. She did not move from her shoulder or track up behind, all the photos of her show her hind legs doing very little. and as for planed....try finding a good photo of him really going and you'll see his true movement. section a judge was honestly gaga. Okay this thread is 11 pages long - you refer to " how many people at the RWAS voice the same opinion" - well as there were over 200, 000 people there can you please ask them all and come back to us? ultimately the pony won - and I congratulate the owners - and NO I dont know them, dine with them or sleep with them!
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Post by Champ mare on Jul 24, 2009 22:01:02 GMT
STACEY......how can so many people at the rwas who voiced the same opinion as 'champ mare' be wrong. For it to be the talk of the show there must be something odd about the movement. She did not move from her shoulder or track up behind, all the photos of her show her hind legs doing very little. and as for planed....try finding a good photo of him really going and you'll see his true movement. section a judge was honestly gaga. Well good for you!! ;D By the way, the majority of this posting isn`t actually about the Section A judging!! ;D Okay this thread is 11 pages long - you refer to " how many people at the RWAS voice the same opinion" - well as there were over 200, 000 people there can you please ask them all and come back to us? ultimately the pony won - and I congratulate the owners - and NO I dont know them, dine with them or sleep with them!
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Post by jaymar2228 on Jul 24, 2009 22:02:15 GMT
A difference of opinion does not constitute an attack and like judges we all have different opinions well done to the kilbey family I just hope their success is not soured by negativity
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Post by avenger on Jul 24, 2009 22:03:29 GMT
how would it be possible to "change " a ponies movement to this extent???
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Post by jaymar2228 on Jul 24, 2009 22:05:35 GMT
Avenger if you find out do let me know !!!!!
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Post by Stacey on Jul 24, 2009 22:06:06 GMT
Champ mare, none of this has touched a nerve with me, I am not associated with the mare at all but feel some of the comments on here have been unjust. Pebbles may have eccentric movement, as does Fonteyn, however so do their foals and to imply that this is anything other than how the animals have been bred is not only unjust but completely untrue.
If you keep and breed Coed Coch bred ponies then you of all people should know that they are good movers, and the main source of the movement at Idyllic (Legend aside) as I understand it is Taliaris Granite who coincidently happens to be the sire of Pebbles. I have also had a stallion by Revel Saled who was the half brother to Granite and I can tell you it was the best moving pony I had on my yard, the extension was unbelievable.
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Post by avenger on Jul 24, 2009 22:10:44 GMT
Funny that this is being said and yet no one can say how!!!! Can it not possibly be natural? I suppose it is better saying she moved to much than saying she didn't move at all. lol.
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Post by hairys on Jul 24, 2009 22:18:36 GMT
Some of my photos now uploaded: picasaweb.google.com/alexiapage/RoyalWelsh2009Includes: * Sec A Jnr Stallions (in hand) * Ridden Sec D stallions * Ridden Sec D mares * Ridden Sec D championship More to follow ! If anyone would like a higher res copy of a particular photo, then let me know. Or feel free to copy and use, but please add credit. Thanks. Lexy WOW LEXY where you in the ring taking those pics or have you got a super dooper lens??
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Post by yawn on Jul 24, 2009 22:19:48 GMT
of course its natural !!! unless the hooves are pumped full of helium ?? ;D ;D and the hocks are steam driven pistons !! ;D anyway what a bunch of moaning cowards why not phone liz or mark and ask if you can arrange a stud visit im sure they would love to see you and show you all there beautiful ponies .
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Post by avenger on Jul 24, 2009 22:24:16 GMT
Well said yawn. I hope you read my message right. Its to poke fun at all those who think that this is unnatural. Lovely pony.
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Post by gauntlet on Jul 24, 2009 22:26:42 GMT
Again and again we see it on this website. NOT CONGRATULATING SUCCESS but knocking the judging. The A and B champions may not be every bodies cup of tea BUT they have been consistently successful under numerous judges at major shows for several years. STOP the knocking!!! Unless you can be positive or constructive give it a rest!!!
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Post by yawn more on Jul 24, 2009 22:31:43 GMT
open your eyes you silly people and see the movement for what it is!! not true mountain pony movement but a true circus pony!! the mare that was res female although not my type movedmuch more correct as did the lovely friars filly.
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