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Post by mf on Oct 10, 2009 16:18:33 GMT
And ...so I might be biased and all jump on this if you will, but surely CHANTILLY LACE IV must be the most unlucky and beautiful pony not to win HOYS. A 3rd and Three seconds in a row now? Won most other major titles and rarely beaten except at HOYS. Four mannerly performances there, and surely she didn't deserve 10 marks less for show than this years winner! No bad feelings - the winner is a very good pony and I always accept the judges decision because thats what showing is all about - but can't help feeling she has not had the best of luck in the arena that matters most! Does anyone agree? . I absolutely agree and if it is true that she got 10 marks less than the winner for ride then she was VERY hard done by IMO. Delighted that Brookfarm Heaven Scent came up to reserve in the championship as went superb in the class and would have been the winner for me in that class
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Post by extraforelock on Oct 10, 2009 16:27:32 GMT
Actually Chantilly Lace got (altered as informed later) 3rd highest ride marks of the class with 48. Cassius got 58...... 9 clear marks more than anything else for his show - at this level that is most suprising. I am not having a go at connections of Cassius or Cassius himself and well done to him for winning he is a lovely typey pony. I and I am sure many others though, find the great gap in marking these performances quite eye brow raising. The Pied Piper did a superb show and was approximately 13 marks shy of Cassius for ride.. I must add I have never commented on the marking of a class before and I believe the judge has the right to give whatever marks they wish.
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Post by drenrowstud on Oct 10, 2009 19:57:24 GMT
hi folks im new to the coloured sceene and watched all the coloured classes very closely , is there anywhere that the marks are published as i was stumped by some of the results . especially in the ponies where the judge didnt ride them . i know some horses can be deciving and some ride better than they look too but some of the ponies i thought would be up the top didnt get placed and others that i thought wouldnt get placed were . as we are hoping to do some riddens it would be helpful to compare the offical marks with my jottings in my programe
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Post by emixxx on Oct 10, 2009 21:06:16 GMT
could anyone put the m+m marks on please
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Post by alex on Oct 10, 2009 23:59:48 GMT
hi folks im new to the coloured sceene and watched all the coloured classes very closely , is there anywhere that the marks are published as i was stumped by some of the results . especially in the ponies where the judge didnt ride them . i know some horses can be deciving and some ride better than they look too but some of the ponies i thought would be up the top didnt get placed and others that i thought wouldnt get placed were . as we are hoping to do some riddens it would be helpful to compare the offical marks with my jottings in my programe I think you can email grand stand media/HOYS and they will email you the scores, remember the exhibits are identified by their back numbers so you will need a catalogue to be able to put a name to the mark!
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Post by Greatscott on Oct 11, 2009 11:05:06 GMT
I was very sorry to see the result of the small native coloured class. 10 marks higher for ride is a disgrace quite frankly. It is no secret that the Barkers and the Avery/Patricks are very close friends. I know with 100% certainty that they are regular dinner party guests of each other.
A lot of people 'predicted' this result long before HOYS started, but I really hoped she would not have the front to do this, with so many comments about it before the show, though I think she would feel under a great deal of pressure from said parties. It must be very awkward having to go to lunch next week with them if she had marked them down!
Judges who can't stand up to friends in the show ring and judge what is in front of them on the day should not be judging.
I feel so sorry for Chantilly Lace and the Pied Piper. Extraforelock - I thought Lacey looked a little tense in her show in the Caldene but went fantastically in the championship as she usually does. I would have had the Pied Piper to win, he went foot perfect throughout, and I really don't know how the judge can justify her marks - really badly done.
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Post by jinja on Oct 11, 2009 11:18:14 GMT
As the mum of Sarah Harrison (owner and rider of Chantilly Lace)I would like to thank everyone who came to us at HOYS and said they thought Lacy should have won. I have never spoken to as many people half whom we did not know, it was disappointing to be the bridesmaid yet again. When the results were called out we felt we had been just pipped at the post, however when we went to see the marks we could not believe our eyes when we saw the winner had 10 marks more for show. Sarah and Lacy could not have gone any better so what more can we do it was not meant to be. Greatscot I did not think Lacy was a little tence in her show Sarah was just taking her time so as to do a foot perfect show which I and many people thought she did including several other judges who watched her, however I agree that the Pied Piper went very well and I personally thought it would have been between the 2 of them. I do not wish to take anything away from Chris and the lovely Cassius and we certainly are not bad losers, but we never stood a fair chance of winning, the show judge made sure of that, she and she alone behaved appallingly.
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Post by Greatscott on Oct 11, 2009 11:33:07 GMT
I completely agree with you Jinja!
By tense, I meant she didn't appear to be striding out quite as much as she usually does, Sarah being careful I guess, maybe 'tense' was the wrong choice of word. And she still did a very good show! Definately the 2nd best after Pied Piper.
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Post by rover on Oct 11, 2009 12:04:19 GMT
I was very sorry to see the result of the small native coloured class. 10 marks higher for ride is a disgrace quite frankly. It is no secret that the Barkers and the Avery/Patricks are very close friends. I know with 100% certainty that they are regular dinner party guests of each other. A lot of people 'predicted' this result long before HOYS started, but I really hoped she would not have the front to do this, with so many comments about it before the show, though I think she would feel under a great deal of pressure from said parties. It must be very awkward having to go to lunch next week with them if she had marked them down! Judges who can't stand up to friends in the show ring and judge what is in front of them on the day should not be judging. I feel so sorry for Chantilly Lace and the Pied Piper. Extraforelock - I thought Lacey looked a little tense in her show in the Caldene but went fantastically in the championship as she usually does. I would have had the Pied Piper to win, he went foot perfect throughout, and I really don't know how the judge can justify her marks - really badly done. Does this link into the thread "Why do producers always win" I remember a few years ago Mr Patrick ridding a lovely Section D that Galloped off with him in his gallop it still won and got champion I think. On a personal note thought he is a fab approachable man and a very good judge himself!
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Post by delliam on Oct 11, 2009 12:35:10 GMT
Completely agree with you Jinga, this class particularly showed what is wrong in showing at the moment. Blatent favours which will no doubt be returned. I feel sorry for all the competitors who got up at 3 oclock in the morning, all the time effort and not to mention cost of competing, do they think we are all stupid, apparently so. Disgraceful.
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Post by jinja on Oct 11, 2009 12:58:34 GMT
Dellium thank you for your support HOWEVER I must say I have not got a problem with anyone but the JUDGE on the day. Chris is always friendly and helpful and his pony is very nice I have no problem with him in any way.
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Post by slj on Oct 11, 2009 16:14:04 GMT
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Post by cheeky on Oct 11, 2009 18:48:01 GMT
Actually Chantilly Lace got second highest ride marks of the class with 48. Cassius got 58...... 10 clear marks more than anything else for his show - at this level that is most suprising. I am not having a go at connections of Cassius or Cassius himself and well done to him for winning he is a lovely typey pony. I and I am sure many others though, find the great gap in marking these performances quite eye brow raising. The Pied Piper did a superb show and was approximately 13 marks shy of Cassius for ride.. I must add I have never commented on the marking of a class before and I believe the judge has the right to give whatever marks they wish. Dont mean to pick holes but Eywas Magpie got 2nd highest ride with 49. As shes retired now and thats the last time she's ever gonna compete at that level id just like her to have her little moment in the sun! Thanks ;D On another note having competed at hoys for many years, i actually quite like the fact that the "form" book is thrown out of the window if you like, and im not just talking coloureds but all the showing classes in general. On that day and at that time it really can be anyones.
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Post by extraforelock on Oct 11, 2009 18:56:21 GMT
apologies to connections of Eywas Magpie - misinformed on show mark, and therefore a point higher than Chantilly Lace and 9 less than Cassius. She is a lovely mare and no probs whatsoever with her score or place - well done. The form book being thrown out of the window is always a fantastic thing in my opinion. That is not the case in question here.
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Post by cheeky on Oct 11, 2009 19:00:36 GMT
its ok, am just mega proud of my little mare ;-) And even though im probably biased too she felt amazing to ride on friday x
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Post by jinja on Oct 12, 2009 8:09:00 GMT
well done with Eywas Magpie
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Oct 12, 2009 10:12:57 GMT
Everyone should take note of which judge it was and boycott her classes in future. And no doubt, as has already been said, the favour will be returned soon enough and boycott their classes too. Bent judges are ruining showing. It cost a lot to put on HOYS qualifiers and a few shows with no entries under dodgy judges would pay dividends in the long run. But it would only work if people did not sieze the chance to qualify somewhere that is supposed to be off limits. Get a petition together, all you CHAPS members and let them know how you feel. All these societies need all their competitors, even more so in these financial hard times. Threatening them with voting with your feet may make them think about which judges should be crossed off their lists. There are enough straight judges out there and as we all pay the same entry fee and registration fees it is only fair that we all start off on a level playing field. As it stands, everyone who has entered a HOYS coloured qualifier this season and those who entered the show itself have subsidised the win of Casius. All the other competitors are paying for this fiddled moment of glory. Are you going to put up and shut up and pay again next year?
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Post by tessy on Oct 12, 2009 10:27:56 GMT
The trouble is Mis Marple, that CHAPS as a society have no hand in the choice of HOYS judges, HOYS themselves choose who is there.
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Oct 12, 2009 10:32:17 GMT
Tells the organisers of HOYS as well then.
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Post by Guestless on Oct 12, 2009 10:59:54 GMT
The trouble is Mis Marple, that CHAPS as a society have no hand in the choice of HOYS judges, HOYS themselves choose who is there. Genuine question - do HOYS have to select a judge from the CHAPS panel? Perhaps that's the appropriate way for it to be dealt with Disclaimer - Please bear in mind that I was not there so cannot comment on the fairness or otherwise of the marks awarded!
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Post by hopeteam on Oct 12, 2009 11:09:58 GMT
Jinja, Even though you were hard done by, you are an example of good sportsmanship!
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Post by Pony-Nutt on Oct 12, 2009 11:21:14 GMT
Write an identical letter to CHAPS and HOYS outlining the complaints. Spell out the connections, the discrepencies of the ride marks and any other relevant information. Send a copy to every committee member of CHAPS and to the secretary and all the organisers of HOYS. Keep it to factual information. Dont sling mud. Make it known to all recipients of the letter that copies of it have been sent to every committee member and organiser. That is how to stop the wrong person opening the letter and sweeping it under the carpet. This is the correct way to deal with this type of blatant fiddling. Unless you are prepared to act now it is no good complaining next year. The organisers cant react unless they get an official complaint. Once it has been received they have to deal with it and let concerned parties know of their decisions and any outcome. Only by making complaints in the correct way will rules be amended to make sure that scratching each others backs is stopped.
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Post by lils on Oct 12, 2009 11:41:54 GMT
Does any one have any pics of Brookfarm Heaven Scent ( poppy) at HOYS, as ive followed her with interest throughout her in hand career, when the Merrigan Martins produced her to perfection! So glad she is now as much a winner undersaddle! x
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Post by bouncer on Oct 12, 2009 11:48:29 GMT
I don't have any pics of Poppy but there are some videos on you tube of the lap of honour and the championship
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Post by bhest02 on Oct 12, 2009 12:40:38 GMT
Well done Sue and Andy with Del Boy. 5th in the coloureds and best traditional. Fab result for a young stallion in his first season!!
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Post by frobster on Oct 12, 2009 12:54:23 GMT
Does any one have any pics of Brookfarm Heaven Scent ( poppy) at HOYS, as ive followed her with interest throughout her in hand career, when the Merrigan Martins produced her to perfection! So glad she is now as much a winner undersaddle! x Rubbish photo, but she still looks fantastic! A very deserved placing in the championship!
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Post by sammib on Oct 12, 2009 16:19:56 GMT
well done chris and cassius go team avery sam
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Post by dukeyboy on Oct 12, 2009 17:04:16 GMT
ha ha ha thats well funny
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Post by r.e.d on Oct 12, 2009 17:07:45 GMT
Does any one have any pics of Brookfarm Heaven Scent ( poppy) at HOYS, as ive followed her with interest throughout her in hand career, when the Merrigan Martins produced her to perfection! So glad she is now as much a winner undersaddle! x She's in this video I took of the lap of honour! www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ptKc1QVaNg
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Post by dukeyboy on Oct 13, 2009 18:54:33 GMT
if you have a complaint to make why not do it officially, its dead easy and completely FREE and even better if you can predict who the winners are going to be before the event complain beforehand too.that is dead easy too and also completely FREE
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