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Post by ponymum on Oct 19, 2008 8:22:23 GMT
Thats what restricted and amateur classes are for...
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 19, 2008 9:41:24 GMT
Of course its fair, do you think they dont put as much effort in  Very often producers are lucky enough to have the best ponies if they are eligible toenter the classes then they can, though i dont agree with alot of methods i have heard through grapevines, they work blooming hard at getting the ponies spot on and good for them. BUT it should always be the ponies that are judged not the person on the end of the lead,but more often that not the ponies are fantasticalyy turned out and presented. A certain welsh gentleman very well known and had a big win recently, his ponys look super, behave super and his quiet calm manner with them especially colts really shines through and he generally deserves to win. My only critisim would be the show condition debate, i think producers should lead by example with youngstock and show horses, if they slimmed them down a little bit ( though have seen inprovement this year) then the small fry wouldnt try and copy and bang conditon onto them to try and emulate what is winning. |
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 19, 2008 9:42:41 GMT
Echo that It's not far they always win what special about them Most of them have years of experience and do a fantastic job !!!!! Got to be something a little special about that !!!!! Its hard work and dedication, sounds like green eyed monsters are coming out to play again. |
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Post by parryshowteam on Oct 19, 2008 10:01:51 GMT
NOT ALLWAYS THE CASE, just takes hard work and effort, the producers do a fab job and help to make the competitiona more exciting
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Post by bowditchblobs on Oct 19, 2008 10:10:53 GMT
They dont always win, hoys proved that, dont forget they get the best show animals put under them, lets face it you wouldnt pay a producer unless your horse is one in a million, and its their job to get results, thats what their paid for after all. I enjoy watching them and learning from them. I think all top shows should have amatuer/home produced classes though, to give people like me a fair chance! Mind you the people that "cheat" in those! But thats another thread!!!
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Post by snatch on Oct 20, 2008 12:11:52 GMT
NOT ALLWAYS THE CASE, just takes hard work and effort, the producers do a fab job and help to make the competitiona more exciting I agree. Producers do this as their full time job so they need to work hard and get results. I am much happier enjoying my ponies as a hobby and if I beat them, I beat them and if I don't, I dont. It can be frustrating when you arrive at a show and everyone at the ringside already knows who's going to win (and that person does go onto win). Situations like that do make you think "what's the point?" But for me the most important thing is that I enjoy my ponies and wouldn't swap them for anyone else's whether I am at the top or the bottom of the line  |
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Post by diadem on Oct 20, 2008 13:49:25 GMT
That just about says it all, here have a karma Snatch |
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Post by guest9345 on Oct 20, 2008 14:34:16 GMT
I see Showpony27 changed their mind! and withdrew their comment 'Producer's always win'.
Seeing as they say in Junior Lounge that they have ridden at HOYs 6 times, it obviously isn't true!
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Post by little madam on Oct 20, 2008 19:46:22 GMT
producers and proffessionals often turn out and produce ponies/horses to a far higher standard, they know there job inside out and have a lot more time to produce them than an average working owner, also, they know every trick in the book and i mean that in a positive sense..
i can name for a start one top top show animal thats won and beat a full line of up proffesionals, with an unknown rider on the top. If you have the best animal in the line up and its produced to the highest standard you'll win no matter who you are!!
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Post by diadem on Oct 20, 2008 20:10:30 GMT
whoa now, theres plenty of home producers out there that do turn out to the highest level too, and no doubt know all the little tricks.
I ve worked with some of the best in the past and yes, they are great and do have the most amazing attention to detail, but so can the person who does a 40 hour week "normal" job to keep theyre showing life going.
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Post by Giddie on Oct 20, 2008 20:23:22 GMT
agree with that Diadem
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Post by joules on Oct 20, 2008 20:34:20 GMT
producers put a lot of hard work into the ponies/horses they produce, and most of the time they deserve to win . the dedicated home produced owners also put a lot of hard work in to thier pony/horse. the thing i find hard to except is ,the home producer giving thier pony/horse to a well known producer towards the end of the season .this is because they cant qualify them for HOYS themselves.9 times out of 10 they qualify not always deserving to.i dont think the producers are at fault because they get paid to do a job. but the judges are to blame because they are judging faces not the pony/horse in front of them.
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Post by diadem on Oct 20, 2008 20:50:04 GMT
Thankyou giddie.
At the end of the day its the pony that should be judged and on its own merit, without any jiggery pokery is the one that should come out top.
I abhor that some peeps have to go to such lengths as using theyre connections or producers to get places.
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Oct 21, 2008 10:32:14 GMT
how hard do you think it would be to start producing ponies for the ring and to get your name known in the horse world?
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Post by pigsear on Oct 21, 2008 11:11:17 GMT
how hard do you think it would be to start producing ponies for the ring and to get your name known in the horse world? Very!! But nothing is unachieveable with good old hard work!! |
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Post by diadem on Oct 21, 2008 12:06:33 GMT
You learn from your contemporaries, you work hard and never ever give up.
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Oct 21, 2008 14:37:05 GMT
might see how my youngster goes next year when i back her. if all goes well i might get some ponies going!
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Post by diadem on Oct 21, 2008 15:01:04 GMT
That s the spirit Molly |
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Post by pigsear on Oct 21, 2008 16:32:21 GMT
might see how my youngster goes next year when i back her. if all goes well i might get some ponies going! Wish you lots of luck |
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Post by iluvmyponies on Oct 21, 2008 18:40:41 GMT
I have been to a few shows were my pony has behaved perfectly and a producers pony hasnt. That is the moment were i feel i will actuallyget somewhere untill they place all the producers at the top, even if they were naughty and others werent  |
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Post by beating on Oct 21, 2008 20:21:59 GMT
Sometimes theres never away to beat a producer no matter how much effort and time you put in Its all about the money  |
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Oct 22, 2008 10:34:07 GMT
diadem and pigsear - thanks, i actually leaned over my youngster last night in the stable. she's 3 in january but thought i'd have a play get her use to me jumping next to her. And for a chestnut TB mare she was really good!!
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Post by pigsear on Oct 22, 2008 11:16:12 GMT
diadem and pigsear - thanks, i actually leaned over my youngster last night in the stable. she's 3 in january but thought i'd have a play get her use to me jumping next to her. And for a chestnut TB mare she was really good!! Just be sure to give her plenty of time x |
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Post by Bombay on Oct 22, 2008 11:16:54 GMT
This year has proved that Producers done always win, There was some good results at HOYS in all classes where home produced/ametures have been placed highly. Its not all about the money!! Ex: One horse that won HOYS last year has sold before HOYS this year for over £20,000 but it didn't get placed this year.  I know someone who bought a pony from a sale for next to nothing and did very well at HOYS this year!!  Just proves you dont need to spend thousands on a pony you just have to be able to see the potential. |
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Oct 22, 2008 13:08:03 GMT
diadem and pigsear - thanks, i actually leaned over my youngster last night in the stable. she's 3 in january but thought i'd have a play get her use to me jumping next to her. And for a chestnut TB mare she was really good!! Just be sure to give her plenty of time x pigsear - dont worry i'm not in a rush to sit on her, as i've got 3 others to ride. so am just going to play about with her and let her grow up and she can be big sis to when the foal is born next year!! |
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Post by diadem on Oct 22, 2008 13:36:26 GMT
Yep, plenty a time Molly! So what will she be debuting in, will she be a hack? I love all the spangly plaited jobbies, but i m left with hairy fluff balls LOL |
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Oct 22, 2008 14:07:30 GMT
Yep, plenty a time Molly! So what will she be debuting in, will she be a hack? I love all the spangly plaited jobbies, but i m left with hairy fluff balls LOL to be honest i'm not sure what she is going to? think she might end up a ISRT. dont think she'll be a hack and defo is not a hunter. the other one is more riding horses. ruby has very nice movement, and a lovely extended trot. i'll try and trim her up and post a picture of her. |
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Post by diadem on Oct 22, 2008 14:11:41 GMT
Looking forward to seeing her. So the bit of bling is still in then |
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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Oct 22, 2008 14:33:31 GMT
Looking forward to seeing her. So the bit of bling is still in then what you mean by abit of bling still in? am confused. doesnt take much! |
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Post by diadem on Oct 22, 2008 15:11:39 GMT
What I mean is you still able to use colour in browband etc arent you as opposed to a workmanlike turnout of the Hunters. Sorry if I didnt make sense |
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