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Post by 2009 on Feb 3, 2009 22:06:04 GMT
Maybe 2009 we might see some new faces in the top spots!
There are many young riders out there with good ponies/horses that deserve to be winning!
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Post by gallop on Feb 3, 2009 22:25:59 GMT
Yes your right, i was watching at the Area 1b show and there was a stunning 13.2hh bay showpony there which was pulled above producers. It was being ridden by a young girl with long blondish hair not sure what breeding it was but stunning movement. Definately one to watch out for this season.
Lets hope it is new faces at the top of the line up this year!
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Post by topcat on Feb 5, 2009 13:48:27 GMT
I too saw the pony you are talking about, think it was the same one i saw at HOYs with Jack Starkie riding it. Beautiful animal
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Post by ponymum on Feb 5, 2009 14:03:28 GMT
yes, its my friends pony!! He is a doll....
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Post by Gallop on Feb 5, 2009 17:30:56 GMT
Ponymum, you dont know what breeding it is do you? Also have they any plans to sell it in the near future
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Post by ponymum on Feb 6, 2009 10:26:19 GMT
sorry gallop, im next in line  |
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Post by just a thought on Feb 6, 2009 13:53:16 GMT
Sometimes, IMO judges do not have the confidence to put a home produced above a producer, infear of a backlash. I have a good LR pony for my children and know what I am looking at, I am not recognised at all and it is very interesting to see which judges have the nerve to put you above. I have asked for constructed criticism when we are down the line and it is very interesting what you are told. i.e your sons reins were too loose, pony still went in a nice outline and jogged along lovely and steady, leader on the end line, pony that won bit leader, and feared the consequences with its well know owner watching the class!! So my advice is keep a log of the judges where you come and you will soon see, it not always a case of which judge likes your pony, but which judge is brave. ;D
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Post by iluvmyponies on Feb 6, 2009 14:22:18 GMT
Sometimes, IMO judges do not have the confidence to put a home produced above a producer, infear of a backlash. I have a good LR pony for my children and know what I am looking at, I am not recognised at all and it is very interesting to see which judges have the nerve to put you above. I have asked for constructed criticism when we are down the line and it is very interesting what you are told. i.e your sons reins were too loose, pony still went in a nice outline and jogged along lovely and steady, leader on the end line, pony that won bit leader, and feared the consequences with its well know owner watching the class!! So my advice is keep a log of the judges where you come and you will soon see, it not always a case of which judge likes your pony, but which judge is brave. ;D Well said  |
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Post by gauntlet on Feb 7, 2009 10:09:17 GMT
Its always the judges who are at fault. They are always the crooks, the cheats and the ones who know nothing. Just remember you can only please one person! When you ask for constructive criticism do you want the truth??? So many of the horses and ponies being shown are second rate but of course in the owners eyes they are swans. Can you imagine if judges were honest with exhibitors they would get reported and consequently removed from the panel.
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Post by hottoddy on Feb 7, 2009 15:47:25 GMT
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Post by lucretia on Feb 7, 2009 17:05:43 GMT
A good friend of mine was honest when placing a pony second and was asked why by the handler. Upon giving her opinion she was actually insulted and then threatened outside the ring, !! I know this does not happen often but it has actually caused some judges to give up.
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Post by gauntlet on Feb 7, 2009 17:11:25 GMT
Well Whoopy Do Dah!!!!! Some people who live in the real world at last!!!
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Post by lucretia on Feb 7, 2009 17:25:56 GMT
and furthermore there is a percentage of judges who are aware of the goings on and strive to be seen to be fair and honest. That makes enemies and can result in not being asked back to judge at that show. I think judges also try to help with comments but are so often spoken to rudely they just give up....(commenting I mean).I have grown a thick skin but it is so much more pleasurable when competitors are gracious losers (ie any place but first)
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Post by hottoddy on Feb 7, 2009 17:29:23 GMT
Threatened??!!! WHat a bloody world we live in!! How sad!
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Post by lucretia on Feb 7, 2009 17:35:56 GMT
The judges daughter was with him for the day and said her father was very shaken by the incident. He did not judge for quite a long time afterwards. Must say these are rare incidences and I have judged some loveley people, very good sports and accept showing for the fun it should be. I have also received thanks for positive comments to competitors especially if they are young or novice as they need encouragement.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Feb 7, 2009 22:38:36 GMT
Its a shame that judges can be treated like that, I judge am when asked will tell them what i think but thats purley my opnion on that day, But as a show sec booking approx 50 + judges a year its hard enough without fear of threats etc and yes does happen i have been in a ring stewarding when a incident took place !!! I will say to all my judges anyone has a problem or is rude to you you call for me and i will deal with the matter, you pay your money and you are asking for one persons opnion, not everyone will be the same, if you cant leave the ring with a smile coming 1st or last dont do it, take it on the chin dont go under judge again if they dont suit and enjoy showing, if you are happy with what you see over your stable every day thats the best feeling in the world, my ponies are the best in my eyes, but obviously i would never judge my own and 1st or last as long as the team did their best, this is no excuse for judges to place us down as they think we wont moan, i have only ever moaned and questioned things twice in the last 6 years and it was blatent and unjustified, so out came my book and in went 2 names |
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Post by just a thought on Feb 8, 2009 9:07:13 GMT
Please i did not mean to upset anyone. I show for fun don't care if I am last in line and boy we have been and deserved to be. But my point is when someone well known, basically makes a meal of it and is obvious for all to see whether you know what you are looking at or not they should be penalised, not still win. Thats what makes me little cross. Yes, producers need to win or else where would there reputation be, and know one will want to send a pony to them if they never wins. And with all the hours they put in they should win, but horses/ponies are animals not machines and sometimes they have off days. All I am saying is, it would be nice if on the day the best pony won whether produced or home produced. We all pay our money and how lovely it would be if we all went into the ring on a level playing field and may the best pony win and not whos riding it.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Feb 8, 2009 9:51:13 GMT
Totally agree, i dont care who is riding it, leading it or connected with it I judge soley what i see as being the best on the day, including manners, BEST ANIMAL that is, I have had top animals come under me and fluff it up and go down and others who have been suprised plesently by their honest placings !
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Post by gauntlet on Feb 13, 2009 14:05:15 GMT
I think there are more judges that fall into the category that EmmaJane describes than any other. Bad sports will always descibe the judges that didn't place their animals in the latter!!!
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Post by ummm on Jul 5, 2009 8:32:05 GMT
just wondering why showpony27 started this thread? they are home produced and have done lots of winning, been to hoys aand royal international several times!! ?   so what are they moaning about? dont get it!? |
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Post by hollycane on Jul 6, 2009 14:37:16 GMT
It seesm to me that an awful lot of people like to blame anything else other than themselves for not getting the results they wish. Whether that be the fact a "pro" was in the same class or the judge was blind/bent/biased. I never fail to be amazed just how much time and effort is put into moaning about show results and yet people go out week after week and carry on. Perhaps it's just all part of lifes rich pattern, but it does get a bit wearing. I mean you never see a thread that says "So glad to be 7th" or " Really pleased to stand below Sam Roberts/Katie Jerram/Adam Winbourne"
I see a huge amount of very sweet ugly ducklings and very few genuine swans. Folks should really wise up to the reality of the quality of their own animals and just enjoy the day out.
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Post by welshwizard on Jul 6, 2009 17:23:12 GMT
You always see producers win in classes.
but its funny when they sell the ponies and some other kid rides it and they get last.
(i see it all the time) it makes me lol
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Post by seen it all on Jul 6, 2009 17:28:03 GMT
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Post by gauntlet on Jul 6, 2009 19:21:31 GMT
You can pay a fortune for a pony that has won everything, but if you can't produce or ride it you're not going to win. Have seen many lovely ponies that have been consistent winners end up doing nothing........... not because they're not being produced by producers but because the owners don't have the depth of knowledge or experience to do the pony justice. They're not machines and the best ones take some producing!!!!
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Post by hollycane on Jul 6, 2009 19:33:27 GMT
Gauntlet you are so right. I've seen several new combinations this year. Horse has previously been very successful as it has been produced with skill and knowledge but then the new owners lack experience or are frankly too arrogant to take advice and the poor horse looks and goes like a drain. The owners are left bemused and often rather bitter but they will not accept that the reason for previous success was down to the skill of the pro.
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Post by btst on Jul 7, 2009 15:48:39 GMT
Its a shame some judges only look at the faces on the horse or whos grooming.
Some people could go in the ring with a 3 legged, 1 eyed, No eared, MULE! and still bloody win because who is riding or grroming.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jul 7, 2009 15:54:11 GMT
It's easy, if you find a judge who is more impressed with the face than the pony, don't go under them. There are plenty of straight judges out there, so pick and choose accordingly. Simples!
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Post by sarah00000 on Jul 7, 2009 18:53:00 GMT
I am not really into showing in a big way. I turn out well and keep myself to myself. Dont get involved with politics and am not known to judges. My sons and their ponies have often beated produced ponies? ? We have been beaten by them too, but on balance, not one situation more than the other. On one occasion I felt really sorry for a mum, whose pony she was paying a lot to have produced. It just wasnt "all that" and despite the fact that she had all the posh outfits etc, it just wasnt good enough. She was a nice lady too. |
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Post by hannahlh on Jul 8, 2009 15:55:51 GMT
It seesm to me that an awful lot of people like to blame anything else other than themselves for not getting the results they wish. Whether that be the fact a "pro" was in the same class or the judge was blind/bent/biased. I never fail to be amazed just how much time and effort is put into moaning about show results and yet people go out week after week and carry on. Perhaps it's just all part of lifes rich pattern, but it does get a bit wearing. I mean you never see a thread that says "So glad to be 7th" or " Really pleased to stand below Sam Roberts/Katie Jerram/Adam Winbourne" I see a huge amount of very sweet ugly ducklings and very few genuine swans. Folks should really wise up to the reality of the quality of their own animals and just enjoy the day out. I know my sec C is never going to HOYS (not with me anyway  ) but i still did lots of county shows etc with the odd hoys qualifier....do you know in those odd hoys quals i did and the royal welsh classes his worst place has been 12th? ? out of 30 or 40 odd! I am very very proud of him and love to say i was 8th in the hoys qual at RWAS because i know he wont quall but i would say thats holding his own? Anyway my point is i always say i was pleased to be 7th or 12th or i was 3rd to Sam Roberts and ' that other pony who always wins' (i have beaten 'that other pony who always wins' a few times too  I think there is alot of faciness and betn judging out there, but i also think that there are some lovely judges who are more than happy to help and i agree with hollycane...just because someone beat you at a show doesnt mean the judge is facy...your pony may be lovely and an Angel with four legs...but is he a world beater? ?? |
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Post by tabbyx on Sept 6, 2009 8:15:30 GMT
i really respect producers.
they do alot of work and the ponies are always spot on. they put alot of work into getting them that way and yes they might win alot but that could because they have the better ponies that are turned out to a much higher standard than some. they also have years of experience with horses and know what they're doing. i also remember that last year Julie T had a pony in the 13.2hh show pony class at HOYS but when they got down to the ring she was a little sore on her feet so she decided not to take her in and this year one of they're 14.2hh show ponies got cast and nicked himself at the start of the BSPS champs this year and they decided to take him home and let him recover for HOYS so they don't push the ponies to much they do whats best for the ponies and i think we could learn alot from them.
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so what are they moaning about? dont get it!?
) but i still did lots of county shows etc with the odd hoys qualifier....do you know in those odd hoys quals i did and the royal welsh classes his worst place has been 12th?