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Post by flagmountmolly08 on Oct 28, 2008 8:37:11 GMT
professionals have the time to school there ponies,its there job. i work 35hours a week and then i ride the ponies after work and if i cant ride one night the horse gets lounged, i think it depends on the relationship you have with the owners. i can ride upto 3horses a night and still be riding when its going dark and then go to my own two horses and give them attention. if your dedicated enough and what to get the results and give the produces a run for there money, your going to work really hard it and put the hours in and enjoy it!
show days should be fun and see how your hard work has paided off.
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Post by Billybobble on Oct 28, 2008 11:10:40 GMT
shady lady,dont get me wrong i dont give a monkeys what people think of me,or how they look at me but its sharp un called for comments like she gave that is just not exactly nice is it?! infact if anything it just makes you feel more determind to even better- yes showing is a catty game as everyone knows, and has probably been on the recieving end of at some point.
ive got upmost respect for producers,they are good at what they do,and in alot of cases are always happy to give you tips and a help in hand when needed.and as it has been mentioned before its their job aswell as a hobby,so yes they've set a high standard,but dont think that makes it more satisfying when on the occasion that you do get placed higher,it makes all your hard work,blood sweat and tears very worth while?!......even if the bank balance is still showing minus!!!! lol x
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Post by texas on Oct 28, 2008 11:36:56 GMT
All of life is about a "POSITIVE MENTAL ATTITUDE".
The reason professionals win is because they believe they can and if they don't they try harder. Not saying that amateurs don't try but some to constantly knock producers.
Not all producers do it full time some of the younger up-and-coming ones go to work and produce, so are in the same boat as the non professional.
My mum always says "YOU CAN IF YOU THINK YOU CAN"
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Post by dun4u on Oct 28, 2008 11:41:07 GMT
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Post by Billybobble on Oct 28, 2008 12:18:19 GMT
thanks dun4u! x
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Post by tomissb on Oct 28, 2008 21:25:01 GMT
Thats a shame Miss b..
i have bumped into her many times out, when shes won or just been placed and always smile and congratulate her and she always smiles and very nicely thanks me :S
I last saw her at Newbury where she had a constant grin on and was smiling at the public and was being genuinly friendly to the people who came up and spoke to her (we were stood near her)
Shame, but at least you have the satisfaction of knowing she is probably just a bit jealous that you have a nice horse!!
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Post by Giddie on Oct 29, 2008 1:39:41 GMT
Well l am into the Welsh A's and have never even come near to beating a producer, despite having, what l believe, some quality ponies. However, l have been told on several ocassions that l produce my ponies well...so at least l have the satisfation of knowing that what l am doing l am doing right but at this time just not quite good enough yet, to compete with the big bods...Will it ever be ?? who knows ??..I don't care really about where they are placed top or bottom as l love my ponies for what they are, my best friends and soul mates..I do know that most of my ponies are worthy of being shown as county standard show ponies, and in my opinion it is just a shame that some of the judges don't always agree with me !!!
I had to laugh about the comment on having a positive attitude..I have always gone into the ring with the attitude go to lose but win if you can..
So with the positive attitude in mind my aim is to beat the top producer of A's Mr C Tibbey amongst many others next season..
I do however think l have won if l come second to someone that has been showing/breeding for many years..Trouble is we always get about 9-10 of these type of people in the classes l enter !!! Oh well we always have a great day out..
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Post by And on Oct 29, 2008 7:20:36 GMT
I last saw her at Newbury where she had a constant grin on and was smiling at the public and was being genuinly friendly to the people who came up and spoke to her (we were stood near her) quote] And she won her classes there and had two horses for sale on HQ. But I am sure that had nothing to do with it  |
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Post by Custard on Oct 29, 2008 22:34:07 GMT
Good for you miss B..Have a karma from me(before someone robs it).
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Post by Egon on Oct 30, 2008 13:45:00 GMT
They can be beaten, look what happened at The Country Fair at the Great Yorkshire Show Ground last weekend! Gorgeous little roan pony beat a certain HOYs winner and was place top in the next F/R class but the tiny tot on board just couldnt canter so the pony was dropped to 3rd, the pony was a true F/R L/R with the tinest jockey and the judge was brave and honest enought to put the pony at the top.  |
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Post by shadylady on Oct 30, 2008 18:41:15 GMT
Miss B - That's what i like to hear positive attitude. Cant agree with you more. Ive beaten producers in the past and it makes the time and effort more and more pleasurable!!!!
Good luck and keep putting in 110%
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Post by valentyneponies on Jan 2, 2009 10:49:34 GMT
It works both ways,,, Ive taken in a novice pony and come 2nd against producers and was very proud of him obviously what the judge liked that day, your also to bear in mind producers do it 24/7 they know what each judges preference is and will take what they think will do well, they are never pot hunting so why quibble there not at local level showing taking childrens qualifications and if you want to win wouldnt it be nicer to win because you have trained and been the best rather then because no producer turned up that day?
Producers make money from clients for a reason they concentrate on the ring craft and 9/10 have difficult ponys with hard strides to keep up with come to them and bang they work day and night perfecting there performance whether in hand (installing manners, movement and free flowing action) or ridden manner flowing paces and a perfect show.
they will make you up your game but my god what up roar would we have if you went as a spectator to watch HOYs Olympia RIHS to see ponys poking there noses tottering around lame and poor quality. If you have the quality and style to that standard trust me you will get to the top....I'm still trying but i know that if i work hard and get the horse at its best I have a chance.
Recently went to a medal show for the welsh and came 1st against a very well known producer who had imported the pony from Holland and spent big bucks on him! but that day my god did I run and my pony was spot on next show he didnt do as well because his manners werent as polite and had fidgeting just all down to the day.
If your not being paid it is dissapointing to travel to a show and not do well of course it is but if its not being enjoyed why not take a step back and do something alongside the showing? I compete show jumping and x-country as well as dapple with rides and driving just to keep showing light hearted! otherwise if i went round trying to concore all producers Id be skint and depressed lol
Have fun!!! my best ribbon was a 6th on Olympia qualifer yes Ive won classes but that day I worked so hard and did my best and was pleased to look up the line and say yep those ponys are FAB! what would be worse is looking down the line going i had to win nothing decent turned up?
Remember getting to these big shows the quality will be there so might as well be at qualifers as well! =)
also must add producers actually are human and quite nice at times I have had producers comment and congratulate even when below and I make a point to return comments at all times. Always nice to keep your posure and be a good horsemanship =)
good luck to all those showing 2009!!!!!!!
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Post by dun4u on Jan 2, 2009 13:58:36 GMT
Thank you valentyneponies - I've awarded you a karma. What you have written above is so full of common sense and if the whingers can't see that for themselves then they really shouldn't be in showing. Yours is a very philosophical way of looking at things - pity there are not more like you out there! Good luck in 2009!  |
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Post by dun4u on Jan 2, 2009 13:59:05 GMT
PS Welcome to the forum!!!
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Post by valentyneponies on Jan 9, 2009 10:20:51 GMT
Thank you valentyneponies - I've awarded you a karma. What you have written above is so full of common sense and if the whingers can't see that for themselves then they really shouldn't be in showing. Yours is a very philosophical way of looking at things - pity there are not more like you out there! Good luck in 2009! Thank you, for your comment funny how negative comments have stopped since our posts. I just feel its draining to hear it repeatly said about producers, we all hear it at shows, yards and all over the place its becoming boring to hear people unexceptant that they go showing and the more they moan about it the more they are putting up a divide between themselves and the producers. Its a pointless argument to have if they are trying to stop producers winning there wasting there time unless all poor quality horses/ponies went to the producers and everyone bought the best ponies it isnt going to change. Just a shame people cant except its a fact of life, its like moaning your husband that goes to the pub every night has a beer belly isnt in the england football squad but david beckham got there? well obviously its a talent he doesnt have whos going to pick him? lol just for those that cant see it in a sensiable light. showing is showing its been the same for years it isnt going to change over night and will only be enjoyed if you make it that way. Its a mugs game we are all gamblers even the producers as we are taking completly different breds some all of good quaity under one person and saying pick me so its dependant on what they like. You could have equally good ponies to producers and the judge could go either way on prefernce just enjoy the sport. Its funny how you dont hear complaints in showjumping 'i went show jumping this weekend and got 3 knock downs and that showjumping stud went clear i should of won that!' see my point.? all sports are judged and critised but complaining is a fools game on that note as you might go out this year and win as your pony does a perfect show and the breeds in fashion who knows....? so everyone upset about judge/producers etc sit back take 10 deep breathes and say bad day try again next time or go dapple in something alongside to cheer you up. Its your hobbie why pay to get stressed about it ...its certainly not cheap to stress on x Good Luck to everyone 2009 and may the best pony/horse handler Win chin up guys =) x |
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Post by smokeycott on Jan 9, 2009 15:49:13 GMT
just be the very best YOU can be, cant do better than that and enjoy yourselves !!!!
aint it great when your up the line in good company!!!
go on !!! have a great time !!!! wishing you all good luck for 2009 shows !!!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 11, 2009 14:51:15 GMT
bagerrewoo people were warned about mouthing off about individuals furthur up this post, I cannot understand much of your post as while im not the worlds best speller or grammer expert think your post is a childish dig at a sucessful person who has done very well for herself.
If you had written your post in a clearer manner rmaybe more could understand it but think you need to pipe down and go back to play group !
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Post by halfpass on Jan 11, 2009 15:30:53 GMT
I have removed bagerwoo's post, as you have stated EmmaJane a warning was put in earlier in this thread.
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Post by bemused on Jan 12, 2009 21:46:57 GMT
Whats a warming? Can I have one too please?
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Post by Admin on Jan 12, 2009 22:21:02 GMT
Whats a warming? Can I have one too please?  |
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Post by halfpass on Jan 12, 2009 22:23:28 GMT
If you are at NCPA Staffs on Sunday I will give you on of my extra special warming,   |
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Post by S on Jan 12, 2009 22:47:31 GMT
professionals have the time to school there ponies,its there job. i work 35hours a week and then i ride the ponies after work and if i cant ride one night the horse gets lounged, i think it depends on the relationship you have with the owners. i can ride upto 3horses a night and still be riding when its going dark and then go to my own two horses and give them attention. if your dedicated enough and what to get the results and give the produces a run for there money, your going to work really hard it and put the hours in and enjoy it! Yes your right we stood above producers at the weekend which is a great feeling................ Yes your right we placed above them at weekend show days should be fun and see how your hard work has paided off. |
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Post by bemused on Jan 12, 2009 22:56:11 GMT
I am up for that - see you there!
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Post by peaches on Jan 13, 2009 13:31:56 GMT
this thread made me giggle! of course producers win alot of shows as they dedicate their time to perfecting their/ponies and riding for money it is their job. Saying that not ALL producers do it as their sole income i know producers which hold down full time jobs alongside producing ponies. i love watching producers ride and if i'm up their with them in the line up even better  |
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Post by newbie on Jan 13, 2009 21:56:56 GMT
I use to work for 2 producers, 1 of them just use to turn the horses out to graze and work them maybe once a week if they were lucky and they would always win even if the horse was goin crap and the other i use to ride for them at home and then the kids use to ride at shows and 99% of the time they won even if the horses didnt go that well.
it is pretty annyoing!
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Post by ebayhorse on Jan 20, 2009 21:54:36 GMT
who was the deleted post about - or is it an easy guess and have already been mentioned  |
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 21, 2009 8:03:16 GMT
yes just was a repeat but aimed at a producer already named basically !!!! ( give people a wooden spoon !!!!)
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Post by polite but firm on Jan 27, 2009 13:18:38 GMT
Quote "they will make you up your game but my god what up roar would we have if you went as a spectator to watch HOYs Olympia RIHS to see ponys poking there noses tottering around lame and poor quality. If you have the quality and style to that standard trust me you will get to the top....I'm still trying but i know that if i work hard and get the horse at its best I have a chance." Get real! are you telling me there are no pokey noses and poor quality animals at HOYS etc... Did you watch the same hunter class and M&M classes as I? Lets have a taste or reality, Go to the sponsers tents and look who are having tea and cake together then notice who comes out to win, Northern Horse last year was classical! Judge and producer having tea and scones togther, producer comes out on an "over the Knee" hack who did an extremely poor show and blow me down wins! Nothing to do with anything else but being buddieswith the judge. That is not being bitter cause I dont show anymore I enjoy going to natter with old friends and watch them mostly pour there money down the sink and say to me " well I came second to a producer I am happy with that" |
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Post by gauntlet on Feb 2, 2009 16:40:42 GMT
This old story has been rumbling around for decades! Producers often have good horses that are well turned out and go well...... so do amateurs. Judges can only judge what is in front of them. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder............. animals look very different from the ringside. Owners often see their animals through rose tinted glasses. They see the good points but not the bad. TRY HARD, MAKE THE BEST OF WHAT YOU HAVE GOT, ACCEPT THE DECISIONS OF OTHERS WITH GOOD GRACE. Everyone should avoid slagging off people they hardly know!!! Enjoy showing, tension causes stress, stress causes short temper!!!!!!
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Post by morwenstowstud on Feb 3, 2009 21:57:15 GMT
Surely most of the fun of showing is trying to get to 'the top', whatever that may be. For some that is HOYS/Olympia, for others they're happy if they win at their local pony club show. I can honestly say even if I had the money to go out and buy a guaranteed HOYS contender, put it in top class production, and have it ridden by a top class jockey, I wouldn't want to. Where is the satisfaction in that? We have a lovely little RP mare who has superb breeding lines and could potentially go a long way. Yes I'd like to be able to put her in production at some point in the future, but only to polish her off after we've broken her in and given her basic schooling. Even then it will be a fairly small producer who is local to us, not some huge great big yard where she's just another winning machine, then both the producer and myself can share the highs of when she does well, not just expect her to do well.
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