sarahp
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Post by sarahp on Nov 24, 2012 18:17:27 GMT
Only temporarily Jo Jenkins, not permanently, it's not open-ended.
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Post by mollymalone on Nov 24, 2012 20:13:07 GMT
I would question the role the Trustees are performing - unfortunatly I cannot attend the EGM, but from a work perspective I work closely with Trustees of other organisations and Trustees should be a lot tighter than these ones appear to have been - unless they have inherited a lot of historic issues and are trying to resolve. But there is historic and ongoing.......
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Post by wisemonkey on Nov 24, 2012 20:51:01 GMT
Personally I would like the Open discussion on the plans for the future before deciding how I should vote.
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Post by Guestless on Nov 24, 2012 21:02:42 GMT
Personally I would like the Open discussion on the plans for the future before deciding how I should vote. Fair point. I wonder if there is a way for members to put that forward as a motion at the meeting  |
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Post by helle on Nov 25, 2012 12:10:52 GMT
Personally I would like the Open discussion on the plans for the future before deciding how I should vote. I totally agree with that! |
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Post by helle on Nov 25, 2012 12:17:23 GMT
I am really torn on this subject and have not decided which way I am going to vote (bearing in mind I am going to use a proxy). There seemed to be so many grumbles and little issues at this years Championship, like not everyone were given finalist rosettes, problems with stables and just a seemingly general discontent. They have also suffered losses of sponsors leading to loss of classes etc. I appreciate that he committee feel they would like to see this situation through, but atm I am not sure they don't need some fresh blood and eyes on this???
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Post by gillwales on Nov 25, 2012 12:32:10 GMT
Personally I would like the Open discussion on the plans for the future before deciding how I should vote. I totally agree with that! Me too There seems to me some sort of desperation in all of this, surely they must have anticipated the problems being experienced at the moment. I have finally got my voting papers in amongst them was a form for advertising that needed to be returned no later than the 16th November, what a waste of paper! Now it might be a good idea to keep the same people in place, on the other hand these are the people in charge when the mess has come to light and possibly responsible? If they were not and the rot was there when they came to the board then why were the problems not flagged up earlier? There could then have been a meeting at the show to advise members of the situation. There are lots of questions that need to be asked and I hope that these are frankly and honestly answered in order that this wonderful society goes forward. We should remember that first and foremost that it is a breed society and not a showing society. I sadly am working and cannot get the time off to go to the meeting and am wondering at the moment how to vote. |
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Post by fuhd on Nov 25, 2012 14:46:17 GMT
You may find it difficult ot locate your local Trustee as I believe there are only 5 left!! - I understand there have been more resignations than appointments!!
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Post by helle on Nov 25, 2012 16:13:58 GMT
You may find it difficult ot locate your local Trustee as I believe there are only 5 left!! - I understand there have been more resignations than appointments!! in that case would it not be preferable to hold the elections as usual??? I must admit the more I read the letter, the more confused I get. I mean, saying that they have decided to call the EGM so the members can be better informed and be given some choice, but asking anyone who can't attend to basically make their mind up without really knowing anything, because it will all be disclosed at the meeting. Of course, if you trust your appointed proxy to have a similar opinion to you you could just let them make the decision when they have heard all the information, but atm they risk people sending their voting papers back having made a decision based on virtually nothing ............. Surely, that can't be good? |
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Post by piper on Nov 25, 2012 16:34:03 GMT
I think the discussion at the EGM will be to help gauge the feelings of the membership in preparation for the AGM in Feb. I hope that we will all be united in our desire to see the NPS move forward and succeed. Huge mistakes have been made and I personally feel that there is a great deal of enthusiasm for sorting out the problems and creating a strong, modern, vibrant society. I really hope so anyway.
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paul
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Post by paul on Nov 25, 2012 16:38:31 GMT
You may find it difficult ot locate your local Trustee as I believe there are only 5 left!! - I understand there have been more resignations than appointments!! Agree with Helle on this. If, fuhd, your information is correct, then it would be doubtful that the workload could be shared by the remaining 5 trustees. I would imagine that what the NPS needs is new, and dare I say it, young blood to help the society through at this very difficult time. If the NPS only has 5 trustees left, I can't see that Resolution one can work. With regards to Resolution 3 - I don't think that this would be the first time that there have been two presidents in office at the same time, working together. I would have to check my NPS reviews to make sure on that one though, although I'm sure Caroline Nelson would know this information. This could obviously have its advantages and the pro's i'm sure would vastly outweigh the con's. I am sure that a lot of the questions will be answered at the meeting, but for those who would like to be more informed prior to the meeting, or those that can't attend, I would try and contact the office who may be able to help, or failing that, contact the chairman. Modifed to add that I also agree with Piper!! |
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Post by CarolineNelson on Nov 25, 2012 22:41:16 GMT
To answer Paul's query regarding an Annual NPS President/a President-in-waiting - this suggestion, to my knowledge and memory, would be a 'one-off' situation.
However, we in the UK have a 'Co-elected' Government . . .
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Post by bulldoggy on Nov 26, 2012 9:47:55 GMT
ON reading this thread and post notification - in my opinion the NPS are doing exactly what is required when faced with a challenging 2013- Call a meeting , in a central location and discuss the actions the current situation and what action is required . Giving us members a very equitable opportunity to get a better understanding and to also be involved in the debate.
For me it is far more important to act and give fair notice than to procrastinate and decide upon a suitable date . Clearly actions need to be agreed by the membership and implemented.
Personally i am not concerned with resignations , as to me it indicates that those who have decided to stand down may not be the best equipped at managing change and challenge - and may have preferred the old " weve always done it that way " approach. I am sure the NPS will have benefitted from their support over the years - but one must also reason that they have a responsibility for any problems our society may now face.
This may also not be the time for New Blood. Energy and whirling dervishes with Ideas may not be that constructive at present , and to me it seems a good idea to keep a temporary status quo with a board that clearly does have ideas for the future - and once we have a clear strategy going forwards, then seek members to committee who can provide skills and action.
So overall i am glad I’ve been invited to be part of the debate and the future and I appreciate the action being taken clearly from a more business perspective and not just sticking our head in the sand and hoping it may all just come right
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Post by paul on Nov 26, 2012 10:02:49 GMT
bulldoggy, while I agree with alot of your post, makes absolute sense, I simply can't see that the NPS can function with only 5 trustees left in place, if that is correct. Obviously there has been no evidence on this matter, only rumour!!  Personally, I agree with the idea to allow the remaining, current trustees to stay on to see this situation through. However, I also feel that there maybe willing and very able members who have the much needed skills to assist in the 'rebuild'. |
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Post by cherbellina on Nov 26, 2012 13:26:22 GMT
From what i heard it is 5 trustees that have resigned not that are left. Originally there were 14, so that makes 9 left. Whether this is enough or not i do not know as at this moment we have not been told how bad it is or how much work is involved to sort it out.
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Post by tountmarastud on Nov 26, 2012 13:58:10 GMT
I very rarely post on here but I cannot find anywhere on website or rulebook who the trustees are - have a feeling it is in the Review but not got mind to hand (at work typing on the qt!) - are the trustees same as council - dont think so - does anyone know?
I am keen to go to EGM but committed to visiting elderly parent that weekend in Sussex - aargh!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Nov 26, 2012 14:05:57 GMT
Yes, a "Council Member" is a "Trustee".
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Post by foxylady on Nov 26, 2012 14:13:44 GMT
I might be wrong but as a charity the NPS will be bound by certain rules and regulations I cannot help but think that may well have to have a certain number of council members !!!
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Post by soxsina on Nov 26, 2012 14:35:05 GMT
Just to add my tuppence worth into this, and perhaps as I am feeling a little raw from discovering that there will be only one HOYS M&M WHP qualifier in Scotland as of next year I really am beginning to question whether it is worth continuing to show ponies. My experience of NPS this year has been appalling - NPS Scotland Spring Show was so badly organised - they decided to do all the flat classes first (which ran late), then spend over an hour building the workers course and the classes did not finish until after 9pm - I came early away having lost entry money as I had youngsters doing dressage the next day. The Scottish Summer show was not a huge amount better - they altered the course, competitors walked it, all ready to go then they stopped for lunch! The National Summer Show was interesting - first time I have been and I have to say, it is not a show we would be that keen to go back to - no finalist rosettes, no championships on the first day, limited choice of classes etc - we mentioned this during the show and were told we were lucky to have a show at all given the financial state of NPS - quite clearly, I am not surprised it is struggling financially!
I considered taking out an British Eventing membership this year and thank goodness I didn't as the weather knocked that on the head but I have to say, I will almost definitely be giving my membership money to BE this year (and keeping my fingers crossed) and not NPS - I wonder how many others will do this?
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Post by CarolineNelson on Nov 26, 2012 14:53:37 GMT
Soxina, it is not for me (personally) to agree or disagree with your sentiments, but, to explain:
i) The decision not to stage HOYS M&M WHP classes at the Scottish Horse Show 2013 was not made by the Scottish Horse Show. Far from it. It is a decision of HOYS and partly due to the 4 class M&M WHP system which will be in place for 2013.
The Scottish Horse Show, whilst affiliated to and loyal to the NPS, as it is to all it's Affiliations, is not organized by the NPS (either NPS Scotland or NPS 'main body'). It has it's own Show Committee.
ii) NPS Scotland. Again, is run by it's own Committee. NPS Scotland is not an "Area" of the NPS, it 'devoluted' in 2005 and is self organizing and self funding.
iii) What was iii)? Oh yes, the NPS Summer Championship Show. Well, perhaps that grievance could be taken up at the EGM!
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Post by roseview on Nov 26, 2012 15:06:31 GMT
According to the website there are 12 trustees listed. The Memo and Arts states 14 trustees so only two appear to be missing?
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Post by soxsina on Nov 26, 2012 16:06:10 GMT
Thanks for clarifying Caroline - what I am trying to say is that I pretty fed up and despondant with the showing world and ultimately it is a huge amount of money to spend, time and effort when you all you have to aim for is one qualifier unless you are prepared to travel for hours and pay for diesal. As a result I am considering not joining the showing societies and spending my hard earned money elsewhere - how many others are considering the same and what impact will this have on already struggling societies?
I did write to NPS to air my grievances about about the show and it was 'duly noted'.
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Post by piper on Nov 26, 2012 16:38:47 GMT
 soxsina I feel for you with your grievances re the Summer Champs, you are right in all you say and at the time I felt that it was the membership that were losing out. Not fair at all. A rosette is the least you should expect at a championship show. This EGM and the discussion afterwards will give you a chance to have those grievances aired and for people who felt similarly to make their feelings known. I applaud the NPS for asking for help and giving us the chance to be constructive. Yes we CAN have a moan about this season, our membership fee allows us that privilege but we have to look forward as well, otherwise we risk losing our society. OK we lost the Olympias BUT I see that as a positive. HOYS have some new and exciting stuff going on, they are a forward thinking organisation, who do actually listen to what we want, eg. the splits for the natives, heights etc. Onward and upward I say . bulldoggy, with you all the way. 
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Post by forester on Nov 26, 2012 17:07:15 GMT
i am still waiting a reply from my complaints letter where i was written a reply that i would get a reply after the meeting on 25th sept?where is this reply?
bring back caroline noakes and geth at least you got a response straight away not a "need to check it and will call u back "
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Post by catkin on Nov 26, 2012 17:09:24 GMT
To be fair, I think in these times, almost all membership societies must be having to re-evualuate their 'reasons for being', how they deliver to these objectives and, perhaps most challenging, stay afloat. So, this EGM seems reasonable to me. However, I do think this is an extremely difficult time of year for most people (especially those with children), so perhaps a few weeks later would have been helpful. This date is impossible for me, and I will try to use my Proxy. But, I believe that it would be useful to share more information prior to the meeting in order for this to be an optimum 'vote'. For what it's worth, I think the NPS must make the British Riding Ponies their priority. This studbook is surely their USP. As for their work with native breeds, controversial as it may seem, I believe that this could probably be left to the breed societies who on the whole are far more organised than they used to be and in particular more supportive of the ridden and driven ponies. NPS has done some wonderful work for the ridden M&Ms (Olympia final etc) but I think this job is largely done and/or covered well elsewhere. Its the Riding Ponies that concern me. Perhaps they can continue to do it all, but perhaps they have been spreading themselves rather thin? Just my opinion, of course.
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Post by EJM on Nov 26, 2012 20:45:37 GMT
Just to add my tuppence worth into this, and perhaps as I am feeling a little raw from discovering that there will be only one HOYS M&M WHP qualifier in Scotland as of next year I really am beginning to question whether it is worth continuing to show ponies. My experience of NPS this year has been appalling - NPS Scotland Spring Show was so badly organised - they decided to do all the flat classes first (which ran late), then spend over an hour building the workers course and the classes did not finish until after 9pm - I came early away having lost entry money as I had youngsters doing dressage the next day. The Scottish Summer show was not a huge amount better - they altered the course, competitors walked it, all ready to go then they stopped for lunch! The National Summer Show was interesting - first time I have been and I have to say, it is not a show we would be that keen to go back to - no finalist rosettes, no championships on the first day, limited choice of classes etc - we mentioned this during the show and were told we were lucky to have a show at all given the financial state of NPS - quite clearly, I am not surprised it is struggling financially! I considered taking out an British Eventing membership this year and thank goodness I didn't as the weather knocked that on the head but I have to say, I will almost definitely be giving my membership money to BE this year (and keeping my fingers crossed) and not NPS - I wonder how many others will do this? This is pretty much me to a T too was so disappointed in the summer show it was also my first year down to the show after Q for championship classes, when we mentioned our concerns to the office during the show it was met with negative feedback, i am afraid it put me off ever making the trip down again Off to have a look at Eventing membership and a crystal ball for the weather! |
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Post by paul on Nov 26, 2012 20:58:58 GMT
I know that the Summer Show had problems. Some classes didn't have finalist rosettes, clashes, expensive entry fees, lack of catalouge etc.
I know that an awful lot of people were left feeling negative towards the NPS but I would urge everyone to stick by the society. Things can only get better and back to how it used to be!
Hopefully not all was bad at the champs. The rings that I stewarded in were full of lovely competitors, judges and really brilliant fellow stewards!!
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Post by holmedown on Nov 26, 2012 22:38:36 GMT
I know that the Summer Show had problems. Some classes didn't have finalist rosettes, clashes, expensive entry fees, lack of catalouge etc. I know that an awful lot of people were left feeling negative towards the NPS but I would urge everyone to stick by the society. Things can only get better and back to how it used to be! Hopefully not all was bad at the champs. The rings that I stewarded in were full of lovely competitors, judges and really brilliant fellow stewards!! Completely agree, I thoroughly enjoyed the summer show - the NPS did well to move rings round as some had not recovered after Three Counties, we had our ups and downs in the judging rings but came away happy. Found all the stewards smiling and cheerful from dawn to dusk. Not sure which Championships didn't have finalist rosettes ? we had in all our flat riddens. |
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Post by titch on Nov 26, 2012 23:05:00 GMT
We had ours in the workers which was a surprise as we did not get a qualifying one so was a nice surprise!
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Post by misterben on Nov 27, 2012 8:49:44 GMT
I am hoping to go. I just hope it is a constructive meeting.
I too was bitterly disappointed with the Summer Champs. A show which has historically been a favourite. Some of the classes that clashed were bonkers eg. 4,5,6 year old finals and Pictons. Surely people are going to want to do both. Appreciate not everyone can be accommodated but surely that's a no brainer?
I also emailed in suggesting they review a change to the Peasedown age rules. It seems mad you can qualify for hoys as a 4 yr old yet not do a restricted class? I was told for this to be considered it had to be a written letter. Why? Can't they print it off? All a bit archaic really.
Still no judges allocated for the Spring show. However, probably a good call on change of venue due to the British weather! Again, this won't suit everyone but has to be done to ensure the show can run whatever the weather throws at us.
Not hugely surprised they lost the Olympias, classes were getting ridiculous with such small entries. Hardly surprising with what was going on. I for one, had given up bothering, despite riding (in my opinion) ponies worthy of Olympia consideration.
Let's hope the meeting can play a part in moving the NPS forward before it forms part of history, which would be a crying shame.
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soxsina I feel for you with your grievances re the Summer Champs, you are right in all you say and at the time I felt that it was the membership that were losing out. Not fair at all. A rosette is the least you should expect at a championship show. This EGM and the discussion afterwards will give you a chance to have those grievances aired and for people who felt similarly to make their feelings known. I applaud the NPS for asking for help and giving us the chance to be constructive. Yes we CAN have a moan about this season, our membership fee allows us that privilege but we have to look forward as well, otherwise we risk losing our society. OK we lost the Olympias BUT I see that as a positive. HOYS have some new and exciting stuff going on, they are a forward thinking organisation, who do actually listen to what we want, eg. the splits for the natives, heights etc. Onward and upward I say . bulldoggy, with you all the way. 
