BEF Futurity 2010

[holiday]

Is anyone going? What are you taking and where?

Were taking 3 to Arena UK

Dressage Section
"Trevor" (Juswith Sindoor x Don Ricoss)

Sports Ponies
"Arthur" (Mona x FS Dont Worry)
"Colin" (BH Sea Swift x Casino Royale K)

[beckylock]

O need to look into this as may take my coloured yearling sport pony.

[holiday]

www.bef.co.uk/British_Breeding/BEF_Futurity.html

This is the link to the entries and explains all about it!! However the entries are filling up fast if anyone wants to go!!

This is a link to our last years foal showing there with my darling Mona!!!!!! He took Champion Sports Pony at Arena UK and was 4th overal at the Venue (all ages all heights wow what an acheivement from about 60 horses!!!)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmSTNIKirVg

Its a bit stoppy and starty but will give an idea of what to do!!!

[stormyskies]

yes hoping to take a 2 yr old i bred to richmond. you have just reminded me to enter!!!

[holiday]

Mine were born on the 17th March, 11th May and 30th May, however there are much younger foals presented, as it is not a showing class they are not judged against each other they are judged individually, on athletisium, conformation, attitude and potential to compete in the given discipline of which they are entered (only one allowed this year, however if the evaluators think they are in the wrong section they will suggest you swop to the appropriate one for your horse).

I for one really enjoy it and it gives a decision on whether the ponies are going in the right direction of our breeding plan!!!! I do not go with rose tinted glasses and evaluate the scores and learn from them, if there is a fault with the foals I have usually noted it myself and tend to come home agreeing with the evaluators. The brood mares will receive a diploma for first premium foals and above!!

[sarahp]

I didn't know entries had opened - have just entered our yearling but too late for the one we wanted - grrrrr! I thought daughter was watching for entries opening as really her project, she thought I was.

Are all handlers in white(ish) holiday? And I can't see our boy's loose bit being quite as polite as your foal's on Utube!

[holiday]

LOL entries always open June 1st so some people are entering foals before they are born!!! Its a bit of a nightmare really in case something happens, like weve entered Arthur and Im happy hes OK but he could go downhill quickly being an orphan!!!

Yes you want to be in white, you can have a few people in the arena though to send him where you want, however reading the rules no chasing with bags this year!!! Weve never done that but a lot of people do!!!! It sparks the movement up!!! However my view is if the movement is there it will come out in a strange place!!!

From a yearling point of view you would walk and trot round the triangle before loosing and TBH some can be quite entertaining!!!! However you do need them to "show off" so dont worry!!!!!! If you think there could be a problem catching take a bucket of food!!!!!

Where are you going sarahp?

[sarahp]

I may breed Welsh Ds but we don't chase with bags anyway! I give them empty feed bags to play with to make sure they aren't frightened of them, and daughter has already taught this one to walk over them on the ground - and treading on them too, no leaping over. I have no doubt that he will show off what he can do but at what speed in which direction is the question. And the catching.

I've done a very little bit of this sort of stuff before - one D youngster did some sport horse show classes on the triangle, and when I bred a PB years ago by an AES SJ stallion we were asked by the stallion owner to take it to the AES grading class at Hickstead so we did - we had a 14.1 yellow D mare in a class full of 16.2 mostly bay WBs....... but the foal got the top second premium, 5th in a big class of foals, we were pleased with that. Come to think of it, this boy is grandson of that mare. Never had one loose though, that will be a new experience! He will be plaited but we are debating whether to take off his feathers or leave them on.

We are going to Writtle, planned on Catherston but too late. I shall go and watch one or two first I think.

[jay]

I've entered by 2yo CB at Alsager...I know he'll probably be the odd one out, but we're just going to enjoy it

[holiday]

I personally take feather off for the futurities but it isnt really essential however does show the legs off better from a competition point of view. Im sure your CB wont be the odd one out at all jay, theres quite a few ID go through with good results!!!! Im sure he moves really well as the breed does!!!

[sarahp]

But do you have native breeds that should keep them on as a breed point? If a PB they'd be off in a jiffy! Not that he has masses anyway like a Fell or Dales would. Thanks for your help holiday.

I expect to be an odd one out too jay but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

[magrat2002]

I am taking my 3yr old homebred coloured filly to Myerscough (again) she already holds 2 x 1st Premiums as yearling and 2yr old through the BEF Futurity!

I hae also entered her foal, although not born yet - due any day - just hope I am not tempting fate, reading some of the sad posts!!!

[holiday]

Sorry meant to say if hes going out in the native show ring obviously you cant take them off!! It would be fab to see a few HG members going!!!!

[bananaman]

I am taking one foal to Writtle and one to Keysoe.
Daddy was awarded Elite First Premiums in both dressage and showjumping sections so they have big shoes to fill!

[stormyskies]

i have a filly foal who is by an unregistered but graded traditional cob and out of a tb with a full pedigree. would she be eligible? she has bone and substance of dad and grace and movement of mam. but would we be laughed at? also the dam has never one anything like this before and can be nervous. will she be taken into condideration at all or just foal?

[holiday]

She would be eligible, and last year an Arab x Cob gained an elite, mum wont be judged. Go for it and enjoy!!!!

[jay]

Jun 12, 2010 5:09:31 GMT holiday said:

I personally take feather off for the futurities but it isnt really essential however does show the legs off better from a competition point of view. Im sure your CB wont be the odd one out at all jay, theres quite a few ID go through with good results!!!! Im sure he moves really well as the breed does!!!

Thanks holiday...really looking forward to it. I've never done anything like it before so it will be an experience!

[stormyskies]

Holiday, what discipline would be best? For a half cob!!

[holiday]

Fantastic, have a couple of people in the Arena to keep him moving and big tip take a bucket of food "just in case" id practise at home for him to come to a bucket if there is any chance he wont be caught once his tail gets up lol!!!!

[stormyskies]

On the triangle, are foals loose at dam side or led? I can't get on to watch video

[holiday]

The foals are walked in hand on the triangle then let loose to show trot and canter. This year they will be shown on the triangle first before the conformation so they may settle better for the conformation. Basically you need to take the mare quite wide to keep the foal on the inside (easier said than done lol!) and extend the trot along the far side if possible to show the movement. They need to be "run" up quickly (more like a Welsh class) not shown as a showing class where the paces are restricted slightly, you have to judge the mares pace to show the foal at the best advantage!!!

[sjc]

holiday,

I have a 4 month old welsh B foal and would love to do something like this with him. How do I go about it? Its all a bit confusing reading this thread haha.

Thanks
sjc x

[holiday]

You need to enter quite quickly sjc as the entries are closing fast - the links are on the above link in a previous post. The video shows basically how the foals are shown, I assume you would be close enough to Richmond being in Yorkshire?

It is very easy to show them at the futurity but they do need to be "Run" up rather than shown like an in hand showing class. You would need to wear white top and trousers, I always wear a hat and the mares and foals need to be plaited. The mare needs to be in a snaffle bridle and the foal in a headcollar, I tend on the ponies to put the number (of which you need two on either side of the head) on the mare rather than the foal, as their heads are so tiny!!!

You would obviously need two handlers, and when the foal is loose the "spare" handler can keep the foal moving if needed, in some cases the foal will be caught back up and the mare trotted across the arena then the foal loosed again to see their turn of foot.

I just went a bit early and watched a few to see what to do lol!!!!

It is really good fun and you get an idea if your foal could be helped with any limb deviations etc from the vet, who is always really well informed.

Hope that helps!!!! PS dont wear black bras under white shirts it caused some amusement on some of the forums last year lol!!!!

[horseyll81]

I managed to get my 2 yr old colt in to Catherston on 17th August. He is by T-Movistar. He is the first warmblood that I have bred so I am taking him to get a thorough opinion of whether he would be worth keeping entire...I think he is quite nice!!
I have never done a Futurity so I'm intrigued to find out what goes on so will be attending one of the others beforehand to be a 'spectator'!!
Good luck to all who go x

[sjc]

Thanks Holiday, . Yeah Richmond wouldn't be far for us at all really.

Do you get a certificate at the end with your marks? Does the mare receive anything?

Thanks again
sjc x

[holiday]

Yes the foals get a score sheet detailing marks, conformation, movement, walk, trot, canter, general impression, etc, with comments from evaluators and vet. If you have your passport it can be stamped with whichever award gained on the day. You also receive a rosette with whichever premium awarded on it. Plus if you get awarded the highest score or next down you will also receive a "High Score rosette"

The mare will receive a broodmare diploma if the foal (I think) gains a 1st premium or above not sure about the lower premiums, awarded at the end of the year. You also get a nice certificate for the foal later on in the year.

I may have a look at coming up to Richmond depending on entries (plus finances lol) and bringing someone or may look at Stoke not sure yet, ive got three foals entered at Arena plus im taking a livery mare and foal, a friend is also coming up from Kent to stay overnight with a mare and foal to also go to Arena with us!!!!

Hope that helps!!!

[lils]

Im going to enter one of the Sussex ones, never done it before, with the Acado Foal. He would be a pony, do you then still have to state jumping or dressage? His dam is older, and will hopefully be back in foal, she isnt a fat mare, i know it states they mustnt be in 'show' condition, but will she be taken into account much?

[sjc]

Thanks Holiday, you have been great!

Just trying to enter online for Richmond and it asks for the passport numbers of the sire dam and dam sire. Is this number just the registration number or the actual passport number? Im not sure how I would get the dams sire passport number . x

Thanks
sjc

[sjc]

ps, because he is a full welsh section B, which section do I enter??? Im so confused! haha x

[holiday]

sjc & Lils - yes he will still need to be picked for a section even though a pony and it isnt separted at the end. The B ponies are really quite versatile, does he have jumping lineages? If his movement is off the floor and with a bit of knee I would go dressage? To be honest if you are in the wrong section they evaluators will suggest you swop so dont worry!!!!!!

The mares wont be looked at so dont worry, is the number not on your passport? I just put down whatever numer I can find!!!!

Im so thrilled you are thinking of going good luck!!!!!!!!