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Post by smokeycott on Jun 13, 2008 18:12:40 GMT
wonder if any judges or stewards are seen this rule?  , is it just for that area association or is it a wpca rule??? |
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Post by merlod on Jun 13, 2008 20:10:04 GMT
I have suffered the problem of "guns at shows" A few years ago at Aberystwyth it was announced that there may be a "few loud bangs" as the Territorial Army gave a display. The result was an out and out mock battle and that was in the Horsebox park! There was a queue of angry competitors at the secretary's tent and all she could say was "do you want a vet to look at your pony?" My animal, an experienced 122 SHP, was beside himself and I was supposed to put a 9yo child on his back within the next half hour!
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jun 13, 2008 22:27:38 GMT
Their saying they will halt the rings, iv got visions of loose arabs running amock, those slips arent that strong. I shouldnt laugh any way im in the ridden............on a 5yr old.............gulp
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Post by Jolie on Jun 14, 2008 17:22:22 GMT
The rule is on the eastern welsh site but they have taken from WPCS rules. www.ewpca.com |
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Post by dun4u on Jun 15, 2008 21:54:14 GMT
I've been told that these 'D's are kept in blacked-out stables at home and also blacked-out horseboxes, at the shows, and run down the ramp at the very last minute to go straight into the ring whilst their eyes are still standing on stalks. So, are these animals brought out under saddle when they are older? ? IMO, from what I've seen of the top C's and D's in-hand - they appear to be so sway-backed that you'd never get a saddle to sit in the right place to ride them, anyway!!! |
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jun 15, 2008 23:04:31 GMT
Thats totaly disgusting, the more i learn about showing the more disgusted i feel, if their so desperate for a rosette and pot why dont they go out and buy one- it makes you sick
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 16, 2008 5:54:57 GMT
I must be quite niave but some of the things i have heard about showing, again it may be just to provoke a shock factor out of me ....... but some things are terrible, it is common to leave a pony on the box generally for its own safety if a youngester or a stallion at WPCS shows and county shows, nothing worse than a fractious stallion or youngster parading about or dancing tied to side of transport, thats why they are left on, never worked with my youngster, bring him of box as class went in he would stll go to sleep  |
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Post by nickiop on Jun 16, 2008 10:36:50 GMT
Well we show C's and D's and all my colts have daily turnout, if they didnt they would be lethal, No one I know needs to resort to these tactics, please dont tar all Cob owners with the same brush. My lads certainly have enough "presence" without artifical assistance, in fact One of my C colts is turned out for as long as possible day before a show to keep his as calm as possible!
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 16, 2008 10:40:29 GMT
LOL Nicki you're only tiny, you'd end up in the next county if someone rattled a bag behind one of yours!
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jun 16, 2008 11:20:11 GMT
It appears to be professionals that resort to these tatics though isnt it,not amateur or home produced. I do show ponies and some of the thinga iv heard they do- well! Ridding ponies through the night before its hoys class, with holding water, draw reins left on days on end. My farrier told me some of the things hackney people get up to and saddle bred people- in America they even surgicaly enhance them- that tail carrage isnt all natural. My friend shows dogs which apprentley is just as bad- and as fixed!!! I for one would rather be down yhe line up [usualy am!!!] and have happy nags
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Post by manicblonde on Jun 18, 2008 19:51:00 GMT
I have has one or two run ins with the 'cob boys' over their bag rattling! I am lucky our pony is not fazed by this at all and actually thinks there maybe something in the bag to eat!
However, after spending 30 mins boxing a rather stubborn shp at a show last year by coaxing her onto the box as she decided she would rather stay at the showground than go home that day, we got her 3/4 way up the ramp only for some cob nutter to rattle and whistle as they got behind us and that was that, the three of us that got her up the ramp were quite quickly returned to the side of the vehicle!
As you can imagine, I had a few 'stern' words with the competitor and then a full blown row with their 'supporters/bag shakers'.
A few weeks later we were in a supreme and the only ridden pony, one handler decided to 'lunge' their section C stallion ( that was supposed ot be stood in the line up) as my daughter was doing her show. Good job the cob stallion was pretty sensible and our pony fairly nimble as they both managed to miss what could have been a serious collision. I don't know if the handler did it on purpose, but, they got 2nd best as we took reserve supreme and they got nothing! Ha Ha!!
I just wonder if any of these cob enthustiasts actually have children that ride and would like their kids lives put in danger by such silly tactics.
I attend lots of WPCS shows and in fairness I do think its the few ignorant handlers that give the 'cob boys' a bad name as most of them are very helpful, knowledgable and approachable.
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Post by wendbarry1 on Jun 18, 2008 22:01:45 GMT
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Post by morts on Jun 20, 2008 15:19:25 GMT
We do a lot of wpcs but there's a lot of cob nutters about, you know what they say about small men with welsh cobs? A bit like a short man driving a porsche, got to have something to show off cos not got a lot else going for them!!!quote] How true  Have given you a karma |
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Post by pentaran on Jun 21, 2008 21:29:24 GMT
I think Cobs give small men a testosterone buzz!! We dont show any of our cob boys in hand, or show them under saddle in fact but they do jump, XC, dressage and sire good foals, because the behaviour you are all talking about is all too common in our area of Wales. Firstly ours are not obese, they are fit and ridden and could lap the RWAS ring ten times without puffing if neccessary, they dont need geeing up because they have stamina and muscle not fat and our old boy after a life of competing is now 29 and still going strong.
Most modern in hand cobs never 'finish' their in hand carrer as someone suggested , many just retire to stud,or die of colic or laminitis.
Most in hand cobs are never turned out, some never see the light of day and yearlings look like four year olds, Which other native breed allows its youngstock to behave in the way you see the welshies behaving in the ring.
I love the welsh and because of this I never show them to be demeaned under some of these fat ones,but we use them to produce, pure and part bred TB animals who are sane, never need Oxyshot to behave, and go on to live a long healthy life given the right owner and habitat.
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Post by wendbarry1 on Jun 22, 2008 8:27:30 GMT
pentaran, I love part breds, I have 5 of them and an a and b. My mate shows a D who has perfect manners, hunts and goes to pc with daughter, but, in the ridden classes he's dropped because, " He doesn't have exuberance the others do"! Yep, he rides like a riding horse, manners to burn! He does a fantastic gallop then stops on a pin. AND he doesn't sound like an intercity 125!
My other mate has a D stud. They are lovely, but, only show in hand. NO manners the bite and buck and scream like pigs. I know hwat I'd rather be sitting on!
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Post by solitaire on Jun 23, 2008 10:41:35 GMT
I have cobs because I love the breed them. We have bought a yearling filly and she is bred wonderfully and we show her in hand but our plan is for ridden when she is older - she is treated like a pony and guess what as she is not feed massives of feed and shut in a stable etc we do very little and she does not come in the class like a nutter the welsh judges say she needs more life but she is not dangerous and my grand children can go in the stable with her - some of them go into the ring like lunicats and look more like 3 year olds as well. I know my girly will be a nice mare to ride and will have a long life without lots of problems as well.
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Post by nickiop on Jun 23, 2008 13:44:53 GMT
Well MM had the "pleasure" of meeting my 2 year old colt on Sunday, who by the way had been out in his paddock on Saturday and then even out in his paddock sunday morning of the show day as we were not due into the ring until Midday. However as the classes were running late he stood on the box for quite some time which of course gave him time to re-charge his batteries, so by the time he came off the wagon he was breathing fire!! I dont think anyone coud say he lacked show ring presence LOL and he had been running out that morning so as said before please dont judge all cob owners the same! Some of us arnt hooligans (but maybe our ponies are!!) LOL that was a joke by the way. At the end of the day all ponies are different and some with BIG welsh egos may give the impression they are locked up for days on end when in actual fact they are not.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jun 23, 2008 14:00:16 GMT
Well he definitely showed himself to his best advantage, without the aid of any bags bells or whistles!! Judge thought so too!
ETA: How did Big Ern go btw? Had to dash off!
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Post by commission on Jun 23, 2008 14:16:35 GMT
I think Cobs give small men a testosterone buzz!! We dont show any of our cob boys in hand, or show them under saddle in fact but they do jump, XC, dressage and sire good foals, because the behaviour you are all talking about is all too common in our area of Wales. Firstly ours are not obese, they are fit and ridden and could lap the RWAS ring ten times without puffing if neccessary, they dont need geeing up because they have stamina and muscle not fat and our old boy after a life of competing is now 29 and still going strong. Most modern in hand cobs never 'finish' their in hand carrer as someone suggested , many just retire to stud,or die of colic or laminitis. Most in hand cobs are never turned out, some never see the light of day and yearlings look like four year olds, Which other native breed allows its youngstock to behave in the way you see the welshies behaving in the ring. I love the welsh and because of this I never show them to be demeaned under some of these fat ones,but we use them to produce, pure and part bred TB animals who are sane, never need Oxyshot to behave, and go on to live a long healthy life given the right owner and habitat. well said, I fully agree, I showed one of my welshies at Denbigh and Flintshire last year, wasn't placed, was told by the judge that she was a very good stamp but she was too laid back  well I am glad she is laid back it means she can be handled and ridden by anyone of any age and ability  |
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Post by halfpass on Jun 23, 2008 14:33:20 GMT
just thought we would give this bag waving a go at home to see what all the fuss was about, will have to tell you all about it later as I'm just off to A&E to get my shoulder put back where it should be. |
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Post by shelleyj on Jun 23, 2008 14:48:06 GMT
get it sorted quick or you won't be doing anything with the hose......!
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Post by Balvenie on Jun 23, 2008 15:22:41 GMT
get it sorted quick or you won't be doing anything with the hose......! surely the Dame has a servant to help out with hose holding |
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Post by dun4u on Jun 23, 2008 16:39:44 GMT
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Post by wendbarry1 on Jun 23, 2008 17:27:51 GMT
Halfpass should have a medal, makes me smile daily, NO MEAN FEAT!!! Brill sense of humour.XX
On the other hand, who pinched my Karmas, was it because of my comment about Cob Nutters, well take some more, I hate small scores!
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Post by halfpass on Jun 23, 2008 18:07:55 GMT
Well lets put another smile on your face wendbarry1 here's a karma I look forward to meeting you Dun4u But I think it will be more of a shock |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Jun 23, 2008 22:27:47 GMT
Thanks, but would rather hold the hose!
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Post by halfpass on Jun 24, 2008 21:20:14 GMT
Ooooooh you naughty girl
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Post by merlod on Jun 30, 2008 20:30:07 GMT
What about a concerted effort to indicate to these gentlemen and ladies that the practice is totally unacceptable apart from being downright b***** dangerous! A little "word in their ears" EVERYTIME it happens. I suggest "if you're so clever, why don't you sit on it and let me rattle the bottle behind you". or words to that effect! Clearly the more able cob people, who don't resort to these tactics would, by default. not be affected.
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Post by hollyj0111 on Jul 16, 2008 8:58:48 GMT
Well i run a section D stallion myself, i have to agree a lot of people do go over the top! But banning them i think is a tad extreme!!! However i do feel that they should be in a different class to the small breeds, not only for the children who are possibly running them, but also the A's and B's, and C's and D's are so very different to one another1
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Post by shelleyj on Jul 16, 2008 9:09:27 GMT
Had a little man waving plastic bags at bridgend on sunday, another chasing the same pony waving a whip - lovely looking cob, shame they can't rely on it to sell itself.
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, is it just for that area association or is it a wpca rule???
well I am glad she is laid back it means she can be handled and ridden by anyone of any age and ability 
