it's a LOCAL show NOT the royal welsh......

[perhaps]

why do certain people who show welshies have to behave like football hooligans at a local show?? rattling bottles filled with stones, and flapping carrier bags on the end of whips is not necessary at a local show, especially when there are kids in the same class with little ponies. as all the m&m were in together.......when asked to stop by a concerned parent, the abusive language was astonishing and disgusting, this will put others off going to the shows, and the organisers were talking about not allowing welsh c AND D to take part it was so bad......

[Milliesmum]

In my opinion it shouldn't be down to parents to ask them to stop, the stewards and organisers should step in as it is obviously dangerous. Banning c's and d's is tarring everyone with the same brush though, they should just ask those behaving dangerously to leave the showground.

[ferret]

completely agree it is down to the Judge to stop it ...i def would if that happened in a ring i was judging in

[haps]

i think that this can get dangerous at times,when we was at a show on saturday with a 2 year old there was people waving the carrier bag whips around in the collecting ring causing our pony to rear up.
obviously people are going to do this to benifit their ponies but at smaller shows where its not really common they sound be more careful.

[Giddie]

Natural excuberance of fear...Would never do that to my ponies but thats me..

[bowditchblobs]

Im glad i dont do welshes if thats how they behave [owners that is]

[ponymum]

yes, i agree , but the arab people are the same , whooping etc...

[titch]

I was at a show at the weekend and they had bottles filled with stones on the edge of the ring. Oh well it's up to them if that's the only way they can win and it means that much to them then that's a bit sad. On a different side i saw many welsh cobs with massive weighted shoes on. I personally don't like this as it is false movement and it can harm the cob. My friends went lame after having these on! I think things like this happen in all parts of the showing world and always will do.

[nat3265]

I've got to say I show a welsh in hand and I wouldn't dream of doing any of the above - I thought showing was a hobby ( so to speak ) and some people have to spoil this. I think it happens alot more when showing Welsh as they do tend to get worked up and on their toes very easily if people wind them up - but then again to me that's not fair on the horsey! :-)

[Guestless]

I judge at local level and have to say if I came across that, I would stop the class and tell people it will not be re-started until the bottles and noise have been stopped. It's outside interference and IMO against the spirit of showing.....if they must do it, then keep it for Welsh only shows so other breeds are not upset by it.

[halfpass]

we have welsh and can't see the point of all this bag and bottle shaking ours are hot to trot without all that sort of thing, if some one waved a bag at one of ours it would take me two counties to stop it.
Could it be that these ponies that need all this bag waving are over shown and are completely fed up with showing so don't show them selves naturally ?

[titch]

Well said halpass will give you a karma later!!! Outside interference is surely not allowed so how come the welsh people get away with it??

[danni]

I show a welsh for my friend and he's a sensitive soul
So all that business tips him right over the edge

[seahorse]

Am glad I am not the only one who just wants to show a pony judge can look at, not leaping all over the place. My C will stand quitly before trot and in the line up and still come out do his stuff

[Jolie]

I show Welsh B's and we are looked upon as the posh lot of the welshies and are often put in a ring the over side of the show from the others, quite glad about that sometimes, I for one dont need to shake anything at my ponies to make them trot nor do them wear heavy shoes for movement.

I thought actually that the use of false articles from outside the ring were now banned by the WPCS ?

[merlod]

Doesn't matter if it IS the Royal Welsh. I find it really ignorent when so called "horsemen" (and I use the word genericly) find it necessary to use such methods to wind their animals up particarly when there are kids on ponies nearby. I know of one famous commentator who puts a stop to it. A few years ago at Pontardulais show several young children were waiting to go into the main ring when the "Cob Boys" entered the area, I spoke my mind and was applauded by the other parents and other spectators, If they are so clever, why aren't they sitting on top of the animals. During the centenery celebrations of the Royal Welsh, ITV Wales profiled an elderly Cob Man of great repute. HE didn't find it neccessary to resort to Hooligan tactics in order to show off his animals at their best and WIN.

[absfabs]

Merlod, I too have been at Pontardulais show and had to ask a "cob handler" to stop running a stick along a metal barrier, as it was alarming my ridden cob. If looks could kill.........! Why do these "horsemen" find it necessary to install fear into their horses? I've heard of some people putting deep heat or chilli paste onto the dock of their animal for extra exuberance and high tail carriage. Do they not realise they are causing pain and distress?!

[wendbarry1]

Agreed merlod and absfabs, pontardulais seems to have all the "cob nutters" out! Georgia's pony quakes when it see's a cob, not because it's a cob but because of the bottles being shaken, was there when you shouted at cob man for running stick on railings!

[annoyed]

the worst thing about this is when show organisers don't put consideration into their arrangement of rings.

i mean, putting the LR/FR ring next to welsh inhand ring

and i know its abit off topic but putting sp/shp rings next to the workers- it can really frighten the younger children

it happens all the time.

eg) nyorks on sunday.

one of my favourite shows but the m&M inhand champ is in the next ring to the shp champ. and just as you are asked to extend down the long side, a great big welshie comes running at you and the handler is screaming at it with a long stick and all you can see is the hair and legs everywhere this really puts the 12hh off aswell as mking the older ones tense

i know many of you on here will say that ponies should learn to cope with it but if a person came running at you holding ballioons, whilst you were in the middle of your show, everyone would be angry and complain to the commitee, so why is it any different if that person is holding a horse? which can be equally as scary to sensitive sp and shp

[smokeycott]

i can understand why it seems to be welsh cobs that need this geeing up to put on a good show, other breeds dont seem to use the same showing techniques,
it also seems that they have helpers outside the ring to get them going as they go past, is this outside interference??
what happens to these buckers and flingers when they come out under saddle and they see a carrier bag or people whistling and whooosing, wil they revert to previous behavior?

[thecremellosociety]

While is totally think bags bottles and cans are appauling and have seen plenty, with re the cobs next to Lead Rein etc, shouldnt the pony be sane enough to do its job ? i have been indoors doing lead rein with stallions at the other end ( just a question thats all

[morts]

There is a very well known sec C breeder in south wales who thinks nothing of having his ponies chased down to the ring by members of his family with driving whips flicking at their hind legs to get the required pazazz from them.
We show welshies under saddle and would never dream of treating them like this.

[stop the idiots]

i was at a show at the weekend and the same thing was happening in an arab class, they has bottles full of shingle that was being rattled from outside of the ring !!! and those showing the animals were constantley using the whips to make them apparantley show themselves off better !!! so why put it next to a lead rein and first ridden ring where the ponies that do have some manners seemed terrified, and i completelyb agree is it not the judges and stewards who should put a stop to this as some of these people seem to have a harsh mouth on them ??

[merlod]

Emmajane. Just remember that although some ponies are "angels", by definition an equine is a prey animal with the attendent tendencies. They are NOT clockwork toys. No equine is totally bomb proof no matter what type, what age,and in whatever discipline. Some have more tolerance than others, but at the end of the day they are ponies!However I do agree that as much care as possible should be taken with the arrangment of rings, time and classes to assure the saftety and enjoyment of all competitors.

[Milliesmum]

I also think that the bigger shows have a responsibility to stop this, as people who don't know any better will see this happening and think that that's how the professionals behave, and that it's acceptable. Then it filters down to your local RC type shows just by people trying to emulate the 'professionals'.

[bowditchblobs]

I had to chukle got my Royal Norfolk stuff through today and it had a warning inside about loud bangs, the kings royal horse artillery are doing there gun display, it gave the classes it would co inside with and that they would halt the rings. One of the classes was the welsh they certainly wont need their bottles and things will they the professionals will be saying "no steward carry the class on please!" . I appologise to all welsh people on here i know none of you do it! . Oh and it classes with the arab in hand to

[halfpass]

I wonder what happens to these horses after the have finished their in-hand careers if they come out under saddle. the impressive trot in the show ring doesn't have the same appeal when the plastic bag in question rustles in the hedge row whilst out on a hack.

[4emms]

Ahah Halfpass - you hit on the next big thing ! - They'll all be on Oxy-shot (if not already for ordinary life at home) :-)))

I don't show anymore so it doesn't affect me personally, but IMO it is ridiculous that they should need to do this. If the animal hasn't got the natural presence or talent to show at the level they are competing then they either need to get one that does or put more time /work in at home.

But then again when top show producers publicly advocate cheating in national press then I don't think anyone's grumbles on here will change things. It would take a very strong/confident judge to be willing to make a stand against such behaviour. And good luck to that person.

[Jolie]

I as I said before, I am sure that the use of the articles (bottles of stones cans, whips etc) from outside the ring are banned by the WPCS so they shouldnt be using them at all anymore.

[Jolie]

2.12 The use of any artificial aid (e.g. plastic bags, excessive use of
whips, drinks cans, etc.) to excite the animal being shown is not acceptable
and may be subject to penalty, including being asked to leave the ring.


This rule is taken from the eastern welsh pony society website.