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Post by commission on Jul 16, 2008 17:11:36 GMT
I showed a shetland for a friend at the weekend and couldn't believe it when the person in front showing theirs decided that constantly running her whip down the railings was a good idea, so its not just welshies, I show a welsh section D and yes you do get some people that do this winding up but its not that common at local shows
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Post by tootsiegrey on Jul 24, 2008 21:38:15 GMT
As I understand it there are new rules out now that are supposed to have put a stop to these antics. At a recent Welsh Pony and cob show they were very strict. All horse and ponies had to be led in and out of the ring at walk and if anyone outside the ring made any effort to wind horses up the competitor would be asked to leave.
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Post by wendbarry1 on Jul 25, 2008 9:34:45 GMT
At llanridian the judge asked a spectator to stop shaking a bottle filled with stones in the c class. About time too!
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Post by merlod on Aug 6, 2008 18:24:02 GMT
Spoke to two people at Brecon about canes along railings and, oh, how dare I, I actually spoke in Welsh!!!!! Got some mumbled abuse for my trouble.
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Post by dogsanddonkeys on Aug 18, 2008 20:38:39 GMT
All people showing inhand should respect everyone else. SO Y DO ADULTS BEHAVE LIKE DRUNK KIDS and then slag everyone else off if they don't win !!!! Wheres the sport in that.We show welshe's and someone has to be at the bottom of the lineup (I believed it was 'IN THE TAKING PART NOT THE WINNING' that counted maybe those who get so upset at not winning should just go and buy a box of red ribbons, and leave us amateurs to play nicely and have a super day out after all it takes the day before to get everything ready
sorry to go on just fed up with little shows being used by the big boys to collect ribbions
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Post by morts on Aug 19, 2008 9:13:24 GMT
Had a little man waving plastic bags at bridgend on sunday, another chasing the same pony waving a whip - lovely looking cob, shame they can't rely on it to sell itself. There is a certain sec C breeder in South wales who has members of his family flicking whips behind the ponies as he leads them to the ring  |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 19, 2008 9:16:51 GMT
Seven, unfortunately there's not just one doing it!
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Post by absfabs on Aug 19, 2008 9:40:18 GMT
Wendybarry1 you're absolutely right. When the C's and D's are on it would sometimes seem as though every other person is armed with a whip/plastic bag/bottle full of stones!!! WHY?  It's totally unnecessary and becoming a major health & safety issue. |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 19, 2008 9:54:50 GMT
absfabs, it is sad and very dangerous. We've managed to bombproof ours for dogs, umbrellas, motorbikes, loudspeakers but not welsh breeds!
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Post by absfabs on Aug 20, 2008 15:12:40 GMT
wendybarry1 flippin ek how do you get your dog to carry an umbrella whilst riding a motorbike barking through a loudspeaker, mine won't even fetch a ball! Have a Karma. Seriously, have taken to making contingency plans on route to Welsh ring in case the "shake it and bang it" brigade are in action!!  Pontardulais is looming, better check my bupa up to date! |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 20, 2008 21:37:26 GMT
Oh heck, those railings will be there and they bounce things along them! God save us all from Welsh breeds! (I'd better get my railings out and practice singing loudly so pony can't hear the noise as I flatten someone)
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Post by oakie on Aug 20, 2008 22:23:53 GMT
Having sat and read every post I really feel I have to comment! We breed Cs and our ponies are shown in hand as youngsters and we have had much success not only at county level but in Wales. Our ponies are all turned out daily (colts and stallions inc) They are not kept in the dark at home or at shows!!! They are not kept on the lorry til the last minute before going in and still put up a good show without the use of bags etc. Many of our ponies have gone fromthe in hand ring to the ridden ring without any problems and infact our young stallion who was shown inhand for the first 3 years of his life is this season being shown in Private Drive with great success. Whilst I totally agree the things mentioned DO happen at many shows PLEASE dont put all of us Welsh breeders under the same banner ! I find it most upsetting! The welfare of our ponies is put far above winning a rosette! |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 21, 2008 10:44:57 GMT
Oakie, sadly you are among the minority. I appreciate what you are saying, but, comming from the "land of welsh breeds" I can tell you that it can be very scary having a novice lead rein or any pony come to that, being scared out of its mind (these are flight animals after all) by idiots shaking whips with bags tied on the end, cans/plastic bottles filled with stones rattled, and numerous other "tools" used. Sorry you are tarred with the same brush but having had a pony double barrelled by one of these stallions it will take me a while to be convinced that their stallions welfare is put above the rosette colour
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Post by Nickiop NLI on Aug 21, 2008 15:51:37 GMT
Hear Hear Oakie!!! Agree with you entirely. We have travelled length and breadth of the country showing our welshies this year and havent once spotted any of this behaviour and that includes the Royal Welsh!! The atmosphere alone is enough to get them excited. I spent most of my time trying my best to keep my boy calm!!!! I find its the other competiors that cause most of the dangerous situations, when the silly muppets ride straight at you when Its quite clear you have a young colt!! I do my best to keep out of everyones way but sure is apples is apples some muppet will ride or walk straight at me!!! Then they moan when the colt gets a bit fruity!!!!
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Post by Nickiop NLI on Aug 21, 2008 15:56:24 GMT
Or how about this....... earlier this year we attended a local county show. Folks were dangerously crowded round the entrance to the Cob ring. As classes were running late my colt came off the lorry breathing fire (nothing to do with me might I add as he had been out in the paddock that very morning!!) but standing on the lorry gave him time to recharge his batteries...... A friend walked ahead and polightly warned poeple to make room....... A guy was stood with his young daughter and she politely asked him to make room, I heard the way she spoke and she was in no way offensive just concerned for the safety of his young daughter........ the reply " who the f*ck do you think you are!!" I rest my case....... you try and do the right thing and get shot down for it!!!
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 21, 2008 16:01:59 GMT
As a "muppet" with normally a "small muppet" in tow I'm sure you should be aware that you are leading "a fruity" lad, and be aware of what's going on. When in the hunting field if wearing a red ribbon it's your job to stay out of the way not the other way around. Maybe the non-muppets should stand back and watch what other non-muppets are doing to your reputations by using such ludicrous behaviour
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Post by Nickiop NLI on Aug 21, 2008 16:20:52 GMT
Wendbarry1 I feel you should re-read my post.... by "muppet" I refer to the people with no horse sence who create dangerous situation by not being aware, I do not mean fellow competitors who I have great respect for.... I too usually have two small people with me and would never put them into a dangerous situation and ensure if in pushchairs etc they are no-where near the horse walks etc!!!! By "muppet" I mean muppet ie/ idiots like the chap at another local county show a few years ago who when approaching a gateway full of poeple with small children decided to run his D colt right through the middle of them for no other reason than to show off!! That to me is a muppet!!! I think you have read the term muppet to mean anyone other than myself which I can assure you is not the way the phrase was intended to be interpreted!!!! Also be well assurred no body is more aware than myself how dangerous a colt can be hence keeping right out of the way, but what can you do when others (muppets) with no horse sence ride straight at you and there is no where to go!! And for your information I have hunted regularly including on board my Section C stallion and I am well aware of hunting etiquette!! I dont think you could have digested my posts properly as you seem to have definately got the wrong end of the stick, and I am slightly offended at your outburst!!
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Post by nickiop on Aug 21, 2008 17:42:51 GMT
C'mon Friends, romans, countrymen, Welshman and none welshman!!! Are we going to take this lying down, lets rally the troops!!!! (joking by the way)
Dont do arguing life is far too short, however as a welsh owner and breeder WHO DOES NOT whistleblow, bag shake, bottle rattle etc etc I do find some of the statements in the post a little sweeping!!! As Oakie said dont judge all Welsh owners the same, and I do find some of the posts a little racist!! Or should that be welshist!!!!
Yes there are the hooligans out there who have no regard for others safety but we are not all like that, and most of us hold our ponies welfare first and foremost above everything else!!
By the way "muppet" can also be a term of endearment (sp) my friends and family, as can I, can also be muppets on occaisions!!
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Post by oakie on Aug 21, 2008 19:23:47 GMT
Oh my goodness - I certainly didnt intend to start a war !!! was only defending the way we show our ponies!!!! But I must add - at PUK last week (where I went to watch one of my Cs being ridden to perfection !!) I was nearly run over while walking along a path my a 'very smart' lady with a 'very fiesty' young colt (not a clue what it was???show hunter? ) she was clearly late for her class and ran along shouting 'please move this is a colt' ! it did make me laugh really as she was so out of control however she wasnt 'a yob with a cob' but it had the same effect??  Wendberry1 - I completely understand how you must feel if you had a bad experiance with a welsh stallion - but there are always good and bad arent there??? Our stallions ands colts are full blooded show animals - but have NEVER kicked or hurt anyone at any shows and we have been (like Nickiop)all over the country ! And I can assure you that the welfare of OUR ponies is top priority !! |
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Post by nickiop on Aug 21, 2008 20:17:43 GMT
I was only saying the other day that things had been a little quiet lately, nothing like a good ol' debate to get the blood pumping!! LOL And I would defend friends, family, ponies (let face it they are family) until the bitter end!!!!...... LOL I must apologise I do have a warped sence of humour LOL!! :-  |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 21, 2008 21:26:40 GMT
Point taken. I did have an outburst but we seem to have a lot of "yobs with cobs" down here. I think it has something to do with the testosterone! Anyway, we were at a show in devon when this very loud voice yelled "clear the way, stallion comming through", we all duly moved and waited with bated breath for the earth to move and a big D stallion to strut past us. Imagine the looks on peoples faces when the smallest miniture stallion walked past and didn't even bat an eyelid!!!
We (as in small riddens/ lead reins) do panic when we here the voice ring out "out of the way, STALLION,STALLION!!" It makes us all quake with fear and wait for the rattles, swishing and chasing that ensues .
You must admit that it only takes one idiot to spoil it for the rest
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Post by oakie on Aug 22, 2008 7:32:44 GMT
You are in the thick of it Wendbarry1 arent you?? After reading this it does explain something that always makes me wonder .......why us WELSHIES are banished to the far bounderys at some shows??(NPS etc?) guess its because we are not really wanted in the first place? If this is the case why bother to have the classes and take our entry fee??? Now here another debate for you all |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 22, 2008 12:43:02 GMT
Perhaps it's to safeguard you from plaiteds? Kidding! Perhaps it's to give you the space to get colts/ stallions safely to rings, or, larger rings? ? |
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Post by oakie on Aug 22, 2008 15:05:11 GMT
Not to sure about that to be honest??? Surely if we have to take a hike with our ponies from the lorries to the ring - we run this risk of meeting more 'un-welshie' people on route?? Larger rings would be a lovely thought - but rarely does it happen - hardly have room to get our boys warmed up !! This is not a complaint just an observation !!  |
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Post by leafycroft on Aug 22, 2008 16:19:59 GMT
You are in the thick of it Wendbarry1 arent you?? After reading this it does explain something that always makes me wonder .......why us WELSHIES are banished to the far bounderys at some shows??(NPS etc?) guess its because we are not really wanted in the first place? If this is the case why bother to have the classes and take our entry fee??? Now here another debate for you all Could not have put it better myself have a karma on me  |
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Post by oakie on Aug 23, 2008 8:55:31 GMT
Thanks Leafycroft !!! Just feel its all such a shame??? |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 23, 2008 12:20:17 GMT
For a change it's good to see both sides of the coin, "we" as plaiteds complain about "welshies" but fail to see the other side of what we do, I for one will put my hands up and say sorry if I've made/ said something that is offensive/incorrect. Therefore I may slate "welshies" and may choke the next one that rattles a bottle but will be more considerate to the "nice welshie" that says excuse me!
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Post by oakie on Aug 23, 2008 15:54:31 GMT
Thank you Wendbarry1 - that is so good to hear !!!! I think it is brilliant that we can all air our views as there are ALWAYS 2 side to every story??? Nothing you said offended me - I just really wanted to you know that not all C & D people are the same?? I have also been upset by banging and bashing and carrier bags in the past - we get our colt off early so as to give him time to settle and go in and give a GOOD and CORRECT show (I consider this to mean WALK TROT and stand in line!) Really cant understand how a pony who doesnt walk and spends alot of the time on 2 legs can be judged?? But it happens !!!! Maybe we will pass at a show one day? we WILL be the ones who say 'excuse us please' !! |
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Post by wendbarry1 on Aug 23, 2008 16:44:05 GMT
I will listen out for it and clear your path! xx
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Post by oakie on Aug 23, 2008 20:17:10 GMT
Sounds as if we have sorted the 'plaited & welshies' debate out !!!! Brilliant !! |
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It's totally unnecessary and becoming a major health & safety issue. 
