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Post by beccyj1 on Dec 29, 2008 23:18:04 GMT
Thanks for the karma Jemsyd!!
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Post by pho3nix on Dec 30, 2008 8:52:10 GMT
Well my view is the hunt should go on. I hear what Freyer is saying, yes the hounds go wild but they are doing what comes naturally. The fox didn’t seem to care about ripping my 2 rabbits to bits and making a mess of them did it? No. You might say the fox is only doing what comes naturally... well so do the hounds. So let’s not be cruel about it, why not has the Master of Hounds carry a shotgun or something to put the fox out of pain quickly? Only the same as going shooting? - You don’t see many people putting up a fuss about that do you? Let’s face it, how many foxes actually get caught? How many more are coming into our towns/cities/villages and causing more upset by killing people's pets and indeed lively hood? As for fox hunting being a "Sport"... I’m not so sure that’s 100% true as sport is defined as an active diversion requiring physical exertion and competition... then again everyone interoperates definitions differently... I personally prefer the definition a sport is when a person or persons compiling of 2 of more sides agree to participate in the activity which requires skill, physical exertion and competition. Anyway, I’ve been as on the fence as I can be through what I have said, and as an animal lover, fox hunting should return. forgot to say have a Happy New Year!  |
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Post by freya on Dec 30, 2008 9:01:19 GMT
The ban on foxhunting should most certainly stay. Some traditions are not acceptable and this is one of them. It is barbaric. Without a doubt. I dont understand why any reasonable thinking compassionate person would want it to be continued. ...i just hate animal cruelty, it is needless. Would your want your horse to be hunted down and then torn apart till its death just for the sake of tradition and that old silly saying 'for the love of the hunt'.....no i doubt that you would. How can you use a horse, a domestic animal and a 'flight' or prey animal as a comparison against a predator? There is no logic in that.  A joy of the British countryside and efficient and effective vermin control, and the ludicrous and highly ineffective hunting ban are really the issue in most peoples minds. I relish a good hunting debate, and will listen to both sides as everyone is entitled to have their voice heard, but only if the other side has a credible argument and an educated viewpoint. Actually everyones viewpoint is valid, wether it be based on personal experience, education or personal feelings. I experienced hunting as a child and it did not sit comfortably with me therefor my personal opinion is now based on that and my feelings towards it. My opinion, i feel, are at least valid, people do not have to agree with me as i dont them. I have made no personal reference to any individual on this thread so am not intending to offend anyone. I do take the time to look into animal cruelty (as a member of a horse rescue organisation) on the whole so i am educated and informed and can understand that there is a natural food chain...that is nature. Hunting is tradition and a pastime so is not under the same classification as the food chain. As there is now development in rural/countryside areas, the foxes have had to adapt to their now changed environment and yes are becoming a nuiscance. Their own hunting behavour has changed also. Our pet rabbit was taken by a fox, i wss horrified when we found out and we live in a built up area but they are looking for food. I guess i should have made it more secure for our rabbit...that was my responsibility. I think drag hunting is a great alternative and a far more civilised  I doubt that the 'hunt' is the most effective form of fox control anyway....but that is a hypothesis that needs to be reasearched and challenged...dont you think  Oh and the argument that being torn apart is better than having its legs blown off....maybe the failing lies in an ill experienced and trained marksman? Discussion is healthy and opens the mind ;D |
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Post by overatdaknee on Dec 30, 2008 9:39:30 GMT
The word 'Sport' in foxhunting terms is a shortening of the phrase 'Sporting Chance', hounds will kill a fox by breaking the neck.
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Post by Milliesmum on Dec 30, 2008 9:42:51 GMT
Although hunting isn't for me, the thing I object to is some bloke in whitehall who's never set foot in the countryside telling me what I can and can't do, with no concept whatsoever of the wider implications. They're just anti-hunting because that's the politically correct choice, not because they've taken the trouble to find out what goes on and make an informed decision one way or the other.
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Post by freya on Dec 30, 2008 10:04:47 GMT
Although hunting isn't for me, the thing I object to is some bloke in whitehall who's never set foot in the countryside telling me what I can and can't do, with no concept whatsoever of the wider implications. They're just anti-hunting because that's the politically correct choice, not because they've taken the trouble to find out what goes on and make an informed decision one way or the other. I think that is true and can be said for many political decisions that are made in general. I do think that the decision to ban hunting was a political popularity exercise. |
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Post by jemsyd on Dec 30, 2008 17:31:53 GMT
i don't think its fair letting city people have a vote on this, as fox hunting lies in the country and country people should have a vote as it's a country sport and it's to do with them not city people. As i've always said, Keep your cr4p in the city and our cr4p will stay in the country x
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Post by freya on Dec 30, 2008 19:13:23 GMT
i don't think its fair letting city people have a vote on this, as fox hunting lies in the country and country people should have a vote as it's a country sport and it's to do with them not city people. As i've always said, Keep your cr4p in the city and our cr4p will stay in the country x Fortunately, politics does not work that way, people's vote cannot be discounted because of where they live. We live in a democratic society-fortunately. Sadly, we already increasingly becoming a society that looks the other way. We need to look at the bigger picture and the country as a whole and consider each other and our neighbours, however far away. Idealist view i know |
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Post by bowditchblobs on Dec 30, 2008 19:49:19 GMT
Thank you for the karma who ever it was!!! We could go on and on debating about hunting till the cows come home realy!!! Perhaps if the ban stays in force there should be some changes to protect foxes, ie having a set season and a licence to shoot them, then we wont get sunday shooters taking pot shots for money and just maiming, which is whats happening. Regarding our fab labour govenment i have a large sticker in the back of my shogun, it says keep your bull***** in westminister and we will keep ours in the countryside!!! Lol.
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Post by freya on Dec 30, 2008 21:49:07 GMT
And thanks to whoever pinched my one and only Karma.. you festive soul!.... lol
However i am a member of the smite club so i am used to it...i dont mind at all ;D
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Post by gobby on Jan 1, 2009 17:14:52 GMT
I have sheep and I have had lambs taken as they are being born. particularly if twins, while ewe is cleaning one of the pair, the fox is waiting for her to drop other.
Having said that, the hunt we ride with is more like a countryside hack
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Post by jemsyd on Jan 1, 2009 17:52:57 GMT
Although hunting isn't for me, the thing I object to is some bloke in whitehall who's never set foot in the countryside telling me what I can and can't do, with no concept whatsoever of the wider implications. They're just anti-hunting because that's the politically correct choice, not because they've taken the trouble to find out what goes on and make an informed decision one way or the other. well said have karma! p.s happy new year x |
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Post by masters on Jan 1, 2009 18:19:40 GMT
Was to go 'hunting' for the first time today, travelled up from Cornwall to Wiltshire with our ponies to spend new year with friends, but ground like concrete!!!! Bu--er but still having a great time. Happy New Year everyone.
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Post by jemsyd on Jan 3, 2009 23:26:43 GMT
Was to go 'hunting' for the first time today, travelled up from Cornwall to Wiltshire with our ponies to spend new year with friends, but ground like concrete!!!! Bu--er but still having a great time. Happy New Year everyone. d**n, Have karma anyway cause im in a good mood! hehe. Did you have a good time anyway? |
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Post by Georgie on Jan 4, 2009 12:41:24 GMT
hunting all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
hay, is there any way we can give this 2 the goverment?  LETS FIGHT THE BAN!!!!!!!!!P.S ITS BETTER THAN A FOX GETTING IN 2 A CHIKEN COUPE AND KILLING THEM ALL FOR SPORT AND PRHAPS TAKING 1 FOR FOOD! 
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Post by jemsyd on Jan 4, 2009 18:12:07 GMT
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Post by sexy1234 on Jan 4, 2009 19:42:41 GMT
i agree ban the ban.
lets face it how many more foxes has everyone seen splattered all over the road because there are to many of them now running around all over the place.
They need to be kept under control and the best way for this in my opion is HUNTING the horrible creatures.
so i agree BAN THE BLOODY BAN.
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Post by pattendown on Jan 5, 2009 0:18:52 GMT
im going to upset everyone now ,,,as foxes dont need controlling ,i live in the country ,as hundreds get killed on the roads everyday to one at a hunt it is just because it has been done for many years ,,and because a fox kills a rabbit or chicken or two does that really give us the right to rip it limb from limb and if so then it perfectly ok under those terms for say a hunt sabature to rip everyone on the hunt limb from limb or for someone to set say a pit bull on the dogs and let them get ripped limb from limb ,,,,,the answer is no they are animals and are preditors and as such should be treated as such ,,itll be the tigers all over again if some people had their way ............welll thats my oppinion
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Post by janeburnell on Jan 5, 2009 10:13:22 GMT
I come from a very hunting/country family, as children my sister and I hunted our show ponies during the winter and went showing in summer, My own daughter, now 6 has hunted since she was two, my husband has been an MFH from the last 5 seasons, I after 15 years of watching have now returned to the saddle and started hunting again - what a fantastic and stimulating day - to see hounds working, horses enjoying there freedom being ridden round the countryside and at the same time controlling the fox population in a sensible and controlled manner. We need to get over the those who do not support us that hounds 'do not rip the fox apart' one bite from a hound will kill a fox outright. Secondly, my welsh sec a has been shown for four seasons and done nothing else, when he came to us last season my one goal was to see if would enjoy hunting and give him some more freedom rather than just going round the show ring. Three days over xmas my daughter has been and my what a difference, a pony which now looks more alert and happy and went round the ring yesterday in a first ridden with his ears pricked and looking happy. we shall contiue to hunt him till the end of the season for it can only be good for his health and wellbeing.
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jan 5, 2009 14:19:22 GMT
I totaly agree with hunting all show animals, does them the world of good, it gets them used to horses being round them at speed, being over taken and staying behind, jumping natural obsticles etc etc. I even took my old fruit loop palomino sp with it's stick peg legs [ i did nearly die several times though] i have to put a red ribbon in my shp tail because she bucks constantly!!!! Never does it in the ring, she does love her hunting!! My nervous Fell realy enjoyed himself when my friend took him she put him in the middle of the field to get him used to a galloping herd lol!!!!
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Post by pattendown on Jan 5, 2009 22:41:44 GMT
of coarse they will come into town if some lovely so and so keeps building houses and shopping centres on their home and has anyone seen these so called fox masacres which ive seen foxes who have a den near my fiald they are clean killlers and rearly leave mess and wot they dont eat they bury so why oh why would they kill all their food source in one go and starve all winter it doesnt make sence if that was the case they would all die out ,i think you should look closer to home and look at your cats or the neighbours cats
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jan 6, 2009 15:35:45 GMT
Er why did i have to clean up a load of chicken heads once when a fox got in to the coup down my old stables, it wasnt a very pretty site i can tell you, i [and some one else] have said why they kill everything when they get in some where. They wont die out or starve we are to busy feeding them!!!! I could defend hunting till the cows come home, but iv posted enough on here already!!! Pattendown sorry to sound thick is your signature count down to a foal due???
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Post by my4boys on Jan 6, 2009 16:23:34 GMT
Agree with you bowditchblobs not a very pretty sight to see all your fowl and Chickens headless, wingless totally shredded and all still there, not taken for food just wiped out.
You will never win an arguement with people like pattendown. The best thing to do is ignore them and let them carry on in there own little fluffy kitten world.
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Post by jemsyd on Jan 7, 2009 18:09:54 GMT
Oh look im getting smited for what i think. Well lucky im a member of the smite club isn't it!  |
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Post by dun4u on Jan 7, 2009 21:47:43 GMT
I was watching one of those Wildlife SOS programmes today and they said they had been inundated last year with fox-cubs which had to be rescued as more and more found their way into towns and found themselves trapped in difficult places.
The less foxes are hunted in their rural natural surroundings the more they will breed and encroach on towns and cause havoc. Look how bad things have got since badgers have become one of the endangered species. They do a lot of damage including undermining roads which collapse and cause thousands of pounds worth of damage.
I also heard that a lot of these 'rescue' places actually spey or castrate them before releasing them. Now what is the point of that?
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Post by pattendown on Jan 7, 2009 22:03:54 GMT
i sertainly dont live in the fuffy ketten worl but i dont see why we should kill something for doing what your doing as ive said i have had a rabbit killed by something i presume it was a fox but i didnt want to kill the fox i just buried the rabbit..... thing is i bet your the first to say its disgusting the chinese fighting the horses or the spanish fighting bull or even us ,.we rip off chickens heads to kill them to eat but i dont want to kill everything ... i dont agree with any bloodsports as its what seperates us from them were are supposed to be siverlized and running around the county side drunk in charge of a horse with a pack of savage dogs dont do it for me ....and if you dont like people like me complaining dont keep telling everyone you like to kill animals
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jan 7, 2009 23:32:09 GMT
Fine dont awnser my question then i was only trying to be civil, and whos nicked another karma- god their dropping like flies on this thread!!!! Jemsyd iv given you one since yours are plopping down wards too!!!!
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Post by bugsy on Jan 8, 2009 22:20:59 GMT
i ... i dont agree with any bloodsports as its what seperates us from them were are supposed to be siverlized and running around the county side drunk in charge of a horse with a pack of savage dogs dont do it for me What a shame, I really respected your opinions until this. Although I hunt, I do appreciate and understand your views on this topic but what a shame you couldn't maintain your erudite and substantiated views. "Drunk in charge of a horse with a pack of savage dogs", what a ridiculous comment and you certainly haven't helped your anti movement have you. It really doesn't help us to understand your opinions and respect them when you decide to back up your argument with playground banter. A glass of port at the meet does not make people drunk and to be pedantic the 'dogs' are hounds and not akin to domesticated animals, just like our heralded foxes. Many people in our hunt are apt to be rude and disrespectful to our 'antis' which I am always in disagreement with but maybe they have been subjected to the same disrespect. Try the other tact and you might find people such as myself are more willing to listen... |
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Post by dun4u on Jan 8, 2009 23:12:31 GMT
i ... i dont agree with any bloodsports as its what seperates us from them were are supposed to be siverlized and running around the county side drunk in charge of a horse with a pack of savage dogs dont do it for me What a shame, I really respected your opinions until this. Although I hunt, I do appreciate and understand your views on this topic but what a shame you couldn't maintain your erudite and substantiated views. "Drunk in charge of a horse with a pack of savage dogs", what a ridiculous comment and you certainly haven't helped your anti movement have you. It really doesn't help us to understand your opinions and respect them when you decide to back up your argument with playground banter. A glass of port at the meet does not make people drunk and to be pedantic the 'dogs' are hounds and not akin to domesticated animals, just like our heralded foxes. Many people in our hunt are apt to be rude and disrespectful to our 'antis' which I am always in disagreement with but maybe they have been subjected to the same disrespect. Try the other tact and you might find people such as myself are more willing to listen... Very well said, bugsy. You echoed my thoughts exactly. |
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Post by valentyneponies on Jan 9, 2009 11:16:21 GMT
I dont hunt so am an outsider looking in and my view after reading the posts was a hard one, I am normally very opioniated but did sit back and think before replying....
I have voted on the poll for the hunt to continue rather than be banned and have reason behind it.
I like the look of the fox and do love all animals but felt that hunting has been around for years, indians cowboys etc we have a different animal at hunt but if there was only one man and his hound would there be an uproar? I think that its more the image of a tiny fox running from thousands of galloping horses and hounds is taken more to heart then it should.
I used to have a grey hound who when on walks would kill animals unfortunatly to me he would retrieve it back to my discust but thats shows its a natural think and the other horses and riders benefit from the excitment of the chase and obsticals on there path so why not?
The fox is being followed and has chance to get away I agree the poor animals wont survive and the healthy will but although it will cut down them it wont illiminate them and certainly will still see them about as i have eating at KFC, dont shoot me but yep i gave it a chicken piece as looked so cute... but on other hand they seem to be coming into the city areas to eat and councils or whoever deals with pests as such would end up illiminating them with poisons and traps which is worse.
I know someone said about dog fighting and badgers etc but to be honest the fox is a wild amimal free to roam and would be killed by other animals in the same way if it came across the wrong path,,, well i really am not an expert on it but only can say i cant see the harm it causes in comparrison to winding a dog up letting it fight and cheering it on , thats cruel as the dog is barrackaded in and not killed if injured left for dead where as i believe ...correct me if im wrong the fox would be killed if not dead from the hound?
and the fox is given the oppotunity to survive in its flight for saftey the dogs cornered in a fight and they attack in agression due to being pened in and wound up not free.... dunno still hard one
but definatly agree with dun4u and bugsy.... if your not sure on the sport dont throw comments of suggestion without being sure.
I know the hunts arent drunk as seen the horn they carry it in if you get drunk on that ... rounds are on me lol x
they would kill the fox quickly as well when the hounds got it as i saw how quick my dog did and although i dont like it ...just squemish... I also didnt like to see the fox had killed my daughters pet rabbit,, and left it showing it wasnt hungry just killed it? but cant really understand the uproar, if they arent effecting you why complain?
....I know before people say ...animal cruelty and all that but honestly, if it was drawn out pain for the fox to that extent would hunts include children@? I dont think parents would allow them to go if they were involved in some what cruelty.
oh and one last thing ... someone on a farm commented on that no fox had got her livestock, Id like to add we slaughter, pigs, sheep, lambs, cattle, chickens etc for meat isnt that cruel as well...at least we eat them unlike the fox eh?
if we dont kill some things we will have problems, everyone intitled to there view.... but mine is the hunt doesnt cause harm and those following the hunts men are basically out for a gallop with company of friends except they dont know there route? or obsticales as such !
sounds fun to me.... not the fox bit but galloping and jumping hedges..=)
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