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Post by supertrouper on May 19, 2007 21:43:34 GMT
"Castle Hill Flash, the best show of the day. He has been champion under RS so has his conformation changed?" Of course it can. Ponies, like people, get older!! What in 9 months
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Post by ohdear on May 19, 2007 21:51:55 GMT
Well to me the top ponies were. 1st Castle Hill Flash, the best show of the day. He has been champion under RS so has his conformation changed? If it's just about the show then lets all take up dressage! In the meantime perhaps we should allow our judges to have a preference, after all isn't that what it is all about. Is it completely inconcieveable to think that RS just preferred the Highland today? One mans opinion on one day, if you don't like it, don't enter, don't watch & don't criticise. Judging is subjective we don't all like the same & we don't all see the same. It really saddens me to think that we are only on the 2nd Olympia Qualifier & yet the "witch hunt" has already began. If you all think so strongly that judges get it wrong, why do you do it? Back in days gone by we used to keep a book which contained 2 lists, those that liked our ponies & those that didn't. We didn't enter if we knew the judge didn't like the pony, we saved our money for another day, perhaps more people should adopt this method instead of back stabbing a judge because they didn't do what we would have done, or liked. "WE PUT OURSELVES UP TO BE KNOCKED DOWN, THERE IS ONLY ONE WINNER"
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Post by horseandhound nli on May 19, 2007 21:55:39 GMT
At last- someone talking sense for a change and obviously understands showing the way i do ! Well said "ohdear"
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Post by here here on May 19, 2007 22:08:06 GMT
well said and why don't all the moaners go on the panel themselves then they can be on the receiving end of the slating instead of dishing it out?
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Post by Dain on May 19, 2007 22:23:08 GMT
I was well pleased with the way Hairy went today,of course i was gutted but Mr Sutcliffe preferred the highland on the day Ill keep trying.....thats if he ever recovers from his gallop. lol Well done Xander
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Post by rose on May 19, 2007 23:17:07 GMT
I can assure you its very different from the middle of the ring than on the outside.
And remember a judge is giving up time to be there. when we could be showing our own animals.
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Post by respect on May 20, 2007 0:29:22 GMT
Mr Sutcliffe judged the class like he always does, he looked at the ponies put forward with an open mind, he did not favour friends or faces at all and the winning highland is fabulous well done Lets not knock one of the fairer more knowledgable judges please and respect his opinion
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Post by helen on May 20, 2007 7:29:50 GMT
I heard Aimee was pulled fourth and didn't leave the ring what do you mean?
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Post by Windsor Watcher on May 20, 2007 7:50:32 GMT
I heard Aimee was pulled fourth and didn't leave the ring what do you mean? I hardly think it was Aimee she wasnt pulled anywhere at Windsor and came up to win.
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Post by does anyone on May 20, 2007 8:39:28 GMT
does anyone have the full line up (1-6) for the sec/b olympia class??
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Post by Been Wondering on May 20, 2007 8:44:20 GMT
I heard Aimee was pulled fourth and didn't leave the ring what do you mean? I hardly think it was Aimee she wasnt pulled anywhere at Windsor and came up to win. It was not Aimee that left the ring it was RB I don't think it is fair to leave the ring just becauce you are not happy with your pull in. Especially when you father is a judge and council member. I am sure several other competitors were not pleased with their pull ins but stayed in the ring until the class was finished. This family have done this time and time again but because of their position no one ever does anything about it! I think it is a display of bad manners and total disrespect.
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Post by Snaffles on May 20, 2007 8:57:58 GMT
Was it the one who has a habit of leaving the ring? Could ponies have been dropped because of the severity of the bits being used? Personally would preference should be for ponies going correctly in a double bridle with short curb. there are some horrific "no going" back bits appearing in Olympia and HOYS classes at the moment and these should not be encouraged.
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Post by Rachel Bright on May 20, 2007 8:59:58 GMT
I asked Russell if i could leave the ring and he was happy for me to do so. We would never leave the ring without permission and make desicions for ourselves without the help of our parents, as we are both adults. I wasn't unhappy with my pull, it is my birthday and i was in a rush to get back and get ready for my night out.
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Post by Happy Birthday on May 20, 2007 9:16:32 GMT
I asked Russell if i could leave the ring and he was happy for me to do so. We would never leave the ring without permission and make desicions for ourselves without the help of our parents, as we are both adults. I wasn't unhappy with my pull, it is my birthday and i was in a rush to get back and get ready for my night out. :)Happy birthday
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Post by connected on May 20, 2007 11:16:48 GMT
There was some strange Judging going on today...Vicky Hesford's gorgeous connie stallion should have walked the class, and what happened to castle hill flash?? He was called in top, did a super show, and was dropped to 2nd for no reason- very hard done by i thought. As was Lizzie Briant's Fell...went brilliantly and should have been up there next to Flash. Funny to see R.S judging Lucy Craven, having groomed for her at Olympia this year....??...perhaps he is due for an eye test... doesnt he shoe her ponies too!!!!!!
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Post by a competitor on May 20, 2007 11:21:48 GMT
iwould be interested to see what russell has to say on this matter as he visits this site.
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Post by GB on May 20, 2007 11:24:37 GMT
Being a farrier I would assume he shoes many horse in the Lancs area. If I served you sweets in a shop would you feel it unethical to show under me?
Perhaps all these wonderful judges should give up their day jobs, lock themselves away in a cave 24/7 , travel to a show blindfolded, with earplugs in and gaffer tape around their mouths and only enter daylight when judging. Although even then I'm sure you would still find some connection and something to moan at.
There really are some sore losers out there. If you put as much effort into improving and showing your ponies as you do moaning about them perhaps you too would win an Olympia place.
Having watched the classes yesterday, with no ties or hidden agenda. I can honestly say 99% of the time I agreed with the placings. Well done Russell.
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Post by seriously on May 20, 2007 12:11:28 GMT
I cannot believe LC went under him - that takes some guts. think about it, whoever grooms for you at a show you know pretty well and for someone to groom for you at Olympia you would have to know them extremely well... fishy if you ask me!! the fact that she didn't win is neither here not there, she should not have gone in the ring and he should not have allowed her too!
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Post by hasbeen on May 20, 2007 12:19:33 GMT
doesnt he shoe her ponies too!!!!!! there are some strange things going on in the showinmg world at the moment, and it is possible that you may have to show under a judge you have had some distant connection with if you are limited in the number of shows you can attend ie because of time or distance, but for exhibitors showing up and down the country it would be good if we could return to times of old when it simply wasn't done and integrity was everything. I haven't a clue who does what when or where BUT I would not show under a personal friend or connection, unless at a very locla show when I was taking a youngster out for experience and it wasn't a qualifier. I don't know what the solution is to so much seemingly 'fixed' judging but perhpas if judges hasd to submit a critic on the placings people would understand a little more and judging would be seen to be a bit fairer.
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Post by GB on May 20, 2007 12:34:07 GMT
Nyone know who the photographer was?
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Post by Snaf on May 20, 2007 13:19:40 GMT
doesnt he shoe her ponies too!!!!!! there are some strange things going on in the showinmg world at the moment, and it is possible that you may have to show under a judge you have had some distant connection with if you are limited in the number of shows you can attend ie because of time or distance, but for exhibitors showing up and down the country it would be good if we could return to times of old when it simply wasn't done and integrity was everything. I haven't a clue who does what when or where BUT I would not show under a personal friend or connection, unless at a very locla show when I was taking a youngster out for experience and it wasn't a qualifier. I don't know what the solution is to so much seemingly 'fixed' judging but perhpas if judges hasd to submit a critic on the placings people would understand a little more and judging would be seen to be a bit fairer. Very well said. I wouldn't show under connections, friends, my Farrier or Vet either because they are like a religion. You find the ones you like and stick with them. Integrity of friends, customers and judges is essential if the pony world are to maintain a reputation for clean competition. The Driving Society FEI shows require a small dope testing levy to be paid by competitors when they enter. Perhaps this is a way forward for showing as well?
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Post by soul destroying on May 20, 2007 15:57:03 GMT
Did anyone else think that P. the Judge was hard done by? I must admit to not knowing enough about Highlands and although I really liked Xander lots, what on earth does the Judge have to do to get his qualifier? What am I missing?!!!!
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Post by helen on May 20, 2007 16:17:35 GMT
I agree soul destroying!
I have seen P. the Judge in at least four championships over the last two years and he has been in at least three times that by results on here. He is one of the most consitant ponies on the circuit and is so beautifully schooled he deserves it so much. Go Judge you really do deserve it I hope you get it one day.
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Post by Photos on May 20, 2007 17:02:36 GMT
Who was the photographer? I know I should have asked on the photographer thread but someone asked with no reply!
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Post by pictures on May 20, 2007 17:40:18 GMT
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Post by lemmie on May 20, 2007 18:30:10 GMT
Did anyone else think that P. the Judge was hard done by? I must admit to not knowing enough about Highlands and although I really liked Xander lots, what on earth does the Judge have to do to get his qualifier? What am I missing?!!!! Totally agree! Judge is looking so good this season and looked brill at Windsor ....... What does he have to do
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Post by stonefoldponies on May 20, 2007 18:38:38 GMT
Well Done Xander! Good Luck.
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Post by Guestless on May 20, 2007 18:54:47 GMT
I cannot believe LC went under him - that takes some guts. think about it, whoever grooms for you at a show you know pretty well and for someone to groom for you at Olympia you would have to know them extremely well... fishy if you ask me!! the fact that she didn't win is neither here not there, she should not have gone in the ring and he should not have allowed her too! There is no rule against doing so and therefore there is no point in continuing with this side of the thread. Some people will be against what she has done, others will not. If she had won the championship then I would see why people were raising this as an issue, but since she didn't........ If you want a debate about whether it's ethical to show under someone with such a connection, then please start a new thread and don't make it personal. Thanks.
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Post by she is on May 20, 2007 20:45:19 GMT
Lucinda Craven - cottrel almeretto
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Post by connected on May 20, 2007 20:47:34 GMT
just commenting on being a groom for someone which you normally do for a friend but recieving financial gain from a competitor is this allowed! we all get fed up with it now and again still we keep going !!!!!hoping that we will be judged fairly, theres only normally one completly happy person in the ring the winner!!!!!
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